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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2012-06-09 11:41 pm

TSE/JE re-watch thoughts.

Soooo, we might have re-watched TSE/JE this evening...

My girls never fail to entertain. Re. Rose at the beginning of TSE, Impish Girl had this to say: "Ooh I'm just going to rip a whole in time and space, cause that's the best thing to do if you want to see someone. Lalalalala."

She seems to have got right to the heart of Doctor/Rose. *g* (I tried to explain that it was more complicated, but then Rose went and kinda contradicted me.)

She also expressed a desire to see the Men in Black. (Which would have been better than the American UNIT people, true. Although I loved the upgrade from 'Code Red' to 'Ultimate Code Red'.)

EVERYTHING with Wilf is AWESOME.

And Torchwood... *HEART STILL BROKEN*

Oh and re. the Doctor dying DRAMATICALLY in Rose's arms in the middle of the road, this was Impish Girl's reaction: "This is when Matt Smith should come along, all 'Shut up, I'm dying!' So much better!" *g*

OK, so we skipped the very end of JE (no need to see the sadness of Donna's end), but why do people not like the rest? OK, so it's COMPLETELY over the top and crammed full of EVERYTHING and MAD, but it's FUN and Ten is quite decent there for a while. That scene before they walk out onto the Crucible and he very carefully tells Donna and Jack and Rose that they were brilliant and then steps out to face the music? That's a beautiful scene. As is the bit right after when he's desperate to save Donna. (And the TARDIS is all proactive in keeping Donna inside so TenToo can be born. 'Tis VERY NEAT.) Mind you then Ten goes all emo again, which is a bit of a drawback... Because the thing about Ten is that he's far too good at lying to himself (and good grief, he's SUCH a hypocrite re. TenToo). Here, allow me to demonstrate:



I just can't help but think that if it had been Eleven there with Davros, with River trying to destroy something or other in order to save the day, the whole thing would have fallen completely flat...

Davros: 'LOOK SHE IS A MURDERER BECAUSE OF YOU!'
Eleven: 'And...?'

(Can't help myself. But seriously, imagine if Ten HAD regenerated at the end of TSE. Has anyone written JE with Eleven instead of Ten? I'd read the hell out of that. And no, I'm NOT writing it myself - I've already got the Seeker's version knocking about in my head. There are limits to how many different versions I can write of something. ANYWAY. Ten is waaaay too emo over all his Companions being badass.)

Other random thoughts: This episode again brought home how *incredibly* Earth-centric RTD-Who is. I don't suppose there's anything wrong with this per se, but compare with AGMGTW... Ten is completely focussed on humans, whereas Eleven has friends all over the place.

Oh and OMG the Doctor-worship is off the scale. Jack & Sarah Jane (and Rose) are all 'DOCTOR! I NEED THE DOCTOR!' Mind you it is sort-of balanced with Jackie being all 'I NEED TO FIND ROSE!' and Martha who is a) Focussed on her family, and b) focussed on her mission. Go Martha.

Aaaand I need to go to bed. Plz behave yourself. Thank you. ♥
promethia_tenk: (amy rory confuddled)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-10 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, I forgot about the part when the Master turns the Doctor into a house elf with his laser screwdriver. That part is shit.

And many other parts, really. But on balance, comparatively good.
promethia_tenk: (kiss kiss bang bang)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-10 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
She seems to have got right to the heart of Doctor/Rose. *g* (I tried to explain that it was more complicated, but then Rose went and kinda contradicted me.)
*gigglesnort*

She also expressed a desire to see the Men in Black. (Which would have been better than the American UNIT people, true. Although I loved the upgrade from 'Code Red' to 'Ultimate Code Red'.)
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER! Also, there was a moment where the Daleks are talking about "ultimate destiny," and then I had to find this vid and watch it again and wonder, again, why I have not yet watched The Middleman: Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny. I may have slight fears that no show can actually live up to what I'm imagining.

Oh and OMG the Doctor-worship is off the scale. Jack & Sarah Jane (and Rose) are all 'DOCTOR! I NEED THE DOCTOR!'
THIS IS ALSO A PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT TOO. But that basically goes without saying by this point. You know when you can parody something without having to rewrite a word of it? THAT IS THE DOCTOR-WORSHIP IN THIS EPISODE.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL!! You're a good sport...and surprisingly you haven't run away yet. Low self-preservation instinct. Seem to inspire/draw that kind a lot, lol!!

*Squishes you with a smile*

Terrible...now I have another idea musie isn't going to talk to me about!

*Laughs*

[identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I never understood that silly look Ten and Rose gave each other after she mentioned the Dimension Cannon. Because it had already been established that she'd built it because the stars were going out and she believed only the Doctor could help. It was a moment when even a huge shipper like myself wanted to slap Rose on the face. I guess RTD wanted to make some point about how Ten lets Rose get away with things he'd never allow other people to do, but it was massively inconsistent with the Rose we saw in Turn Left and I was very cross with him. Way to pander to the Rose-haters, RTD!

[identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)

But it's all part of the Ten Is The Most Important Person In The Universe, and Everything Only Matters In Relation To Him Syndrome which RTD Who is afflicted by.


All that was foreshadowed in "The Doctor's Daughter". That's why the story annoyed me so much. I mean, Ten was so busy emoting and saying how he loses everyone that he didn't even stick around long enough to see Jenny buried and or check there was no surprise regeneration. Talk about IT's ALL ABOUT ME.

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope you're right. Anyway, as I said to phoenixdragon, I think I'm going to put together some general questions and pose them to my friends list, because on the one hand I'm very nervous about Things, but on the other hand, I do kind of want to post.

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! Ah, yes, River/Eleven flirting; it is a good thing.

And, I'm not sure if it's specifically going to be a Journey's End rewrite, but I've decided that I'm definitely going to attempt something in which Martha meets Eleven, involving the Osterhagen key and this particular scene. (Probably in an entirely separate universe from the stuff I was discussing upthread, but hey; people do that.)

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
RIGHT?! *Guffaws and kicks heels in delight!*

I did. I cried. ihateyou...*sniffles*...thankyou

I KNOW YOUSE DOES. Want it to happen for reals tho'. THIS. He was mostly unmarvelous all excuses aside.

CAN'T WAIT TO DIG IN OMG...trying to not deluge myself with way too much Awesome right now. Makes the 'OMGISUCKFAAAILLLL' Feelings worse, lol!!
promethia_tenk: (eleven amy rory)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-10 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol. Well, her up there hasn't yet managed to actually kill me with affirmation, from which I must conclude that I am remarkably resilient ; )

Terrible...now I have another idea musie isn't going to talk to me about!
*evil laugh*
promethia_tenk: (river)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-10 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Dobby jokes are always funny; this is just fact =D

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
*Fangirls quietly*

ENABLESENABLESENABLES

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of the time, I take the view that having a fascinating failure is better than a boring success. With race, though, I freeze up. Possibly I should find someone to have a look over the story . . . but asking someone to check and see if I got privilege all over a story feels a bit like asking a stranger to have a look at a nasty boil on my butt.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I am proud and awed. I want you to be my mentor, lol!!

MEAN.

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