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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2008-11-26 10:33 pm
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Icon is spot-on.

That sound you just heard? Was my head exploding from reading buffy #19. I mean, you would have *thought* that after all the Twilight-y goodness crack I've been subjecting myself to, I'd be fairly immune to crazy, but no. My brain is struggling to cope.

OK, the whole Fray thing with Willow and so forth MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I mean, at all. Everything ended up back where they started, except apparently Willow will (for some reason) live for a few centuries. (And good on her for using a blindfold, THANK YOU! I hate it when people stupidly do not follow simple instructions.)

The whole creatures of forest battle thing was so ridiculous that my mind kinda blanked it out.

And then came the point at which my head exploded and I DIED! OMG it's RILEY and he's an EEEEEVOL and working for Twilight and he was was the 'mystery date' and my god could they possibly be more insulting to Buffy? I want to be angry, but quite honestly I just can't help but enjoying the fact that MONTHS WORTH of speculation is finally proven right! (I, obviously, think it OOC, but then, like, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, is OOC in s8, so it's nice to add another one to the collection. Oh! If this is canon, then it *proves* - IMHO - that the whole Doctor thing in AYW was a total stitch-up to get Buffy to dump Spike.)

This is going to keep me amused for a long, long time. (Of course Riley could be a double-agent, but I DON"T CARE. Maybe he also took up ballet, it doesn't matter. I'm going to bed now.)
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
So what if he is a married man? We've got absolutely no evidence that it was a date, or that Buffy was trying to seduce him, or anything like that. Riley says she was "stuck in the past", which is why she got dressed up to see him.

Besides - as someone said on another forum - the last time Riley and Buffy met she was dressed in a Dayglo red and white striped uniform and a hat with a cow on it. You really think she wouldn't want to make it clear that she can still dress in a stylish, sexy and fashionable way?

That's what's great about S8; there's incredible depth of characterisation if you're willing to delve into it a little deeper. Unlike some other series where what you see is all you get...

Of course, there is an obvious reason why Riley wouldn't be a married man: maybe Sam Finn died, in such a way as to make Riley bitter and angry against the supernatural and the whole world of demons and magic. Twilight is promising to end all that, and Twilight is not presented as mwa-ha-ha evil. General Voll thought he was acting in the best interests of humanity against Buffy's Slayer Army. And given Buffy's increased disregard for non-superpowered human life this season, can you really say he was wrong?

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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I can NOT believe that Buffy still has a thing for Riley
Me neither. Although she's currently single, and lonely, so it wouldn't be out of character for there to be at least some wishful thinking/regrets when she sees him again.


I'm sorry, but I can't reply to that with a straight face.

You know, I could be equally mocking about Season 6 if I wanted to (and if it weren't my favourite season). Buffy sleeps with Spike?! Willow tries to destroy the world?! Old ladies with a penis-monster for a head?! A musical episode??!! Clearly Joss has completely lost the plot.


So blowing up 50 young women in cold blood (and *bitching* about it not working as well as planned) is a good and noble thing now? Or are we in 'the end justifies the means' territory?

Of course we're in "end justifies the means" territory. That's been pretty much the overriding conflict of this season - and the previous one too. Remember what Buffy said to Spike and Willow in 'Get It Done'?

Nobody's denying that something odd must have happened for Riley to be allied with Twilight - just as it was odd when he turned up in Adam's bunker at the end of S4. But as for the killing - he's a soldier. "Soldiers die, Rowena. They do it all the time."

Which brings us back to everyone-is-OOC...

Buffy being self-absorbed, convinced that her way is the only right way, and ruthlessly determined to do whatever it takes to save the world is her being OOC now, is it? ;-)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Twilight is promising to end all that, and Twilight is not presented as mwa-ha-ha evil. General Voll thought he was acting in the best interests of humanity against Buffy's Slayer Army.

And Riley is standing by, smiling and wise-cracking, while Amy and Warren discuss just how many Slayers they managed to kill - not to mention that Xander and Dawn, whom Riley used to like, were in there too.
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Given his strong religious views, traditional upbringing, black-and-white opinions, and horrified disbelief at the idea that Willow was going out with a werewolf (metaphor alert) I think Season 4 Riley would have voted for Proposition 8 as well.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
strong religious views

If by "strong religious views" you mean "we saw him go into a church once." ;-)
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-11-28 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey! In a Joss Whedon show that counts as strong religious views! It's about an infinity percent more than we saw any of the other characters go to church...