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So, the day before yesterday Darcy & decided to watch The Winter Soldier (it was on Netflix, we hadn't seen it).
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
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Pretty men being angsty - it's hardly original, but hey, it's like comfort food.
I often wonder what the people who read Bond/Q slash think Skyfall was about . . .
LOL
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I make Cap & Natasha sound bad, they're busy unravelling stuff, but I would have loved to have followed Maria also.
No, that's American-only . . .
Well, Miss S has offered her pass word, SO WHO KNOWS???
t's fun and funny and action-y and everybody looks gorgeous and Peggy Carter is a delightfully sparkly and unstereotyped ENTJ BAMF-ing her way through everything and slyly using everybody's sexism to her advantage. It just has that fun, summer movie, casual feel that is so enjoyable in some of the Marvel movies but it's about PEGGY CARTER instead of broody men with underdeveloped backstories.
I always knew it looked awesome, but you are 100% increasing my desire to watch it.
Also Howard Stark's butler is a major character (also 100% delightful) and his name is Jarvis. Because of course.
...
So a lot of the Hydra storylines are superficially about them doing something evil and really about the struggles of living up to Daddy's expectations and whether you want to take on the spot that's been carved out for you, etc.
Uh-huh.
I'm kinda laughing at the idea of James Bond with a Cap-style moral purity.
Yeah, that... just sort of broke my brain, after I'd said it. Bond is generally typed as an STP, yes?
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Hahahaha.
I make Cap & Natasha sound bad, they're busy unravelling stuff, but I would have loved to have followed Maria also.
I may get around to it at some point. The more recent Marvel films at least sound a little more involved and complex than the origin story ones that I've seen.
Well, Miss S has offered her pass word, SO WHO KNOWS???
I'd be surprised if that works without a VPN. These things are almost always geoblocked. Still, worth a shot.
I always knew it looked awesome, but you are 100% increasing my desire to watch it.
=D I just finished watching both seasons (they're short) and immediately went back to the start again. PEGGY!
ETA: I want rather badly to link you to a perfect little Peggy Carter Uptown Funk vid, but I just watched it and it spoils several major plot twists, alas.
Also Howard Stark's butler is a major character (also 100% delightful) and his name is Jarvis. Because of course.
...
Tony named his voice assistant Jarvis. And when you meet actual Jarvis you realize this was probably done out of affection. Of the Tony Stark sort.
Yeah, that... just sort of broke my brain, after I'd said it. Bond is generally typed as an STP, yes?
Yeah. General consensus leans ISTP, which I tend to agree with.
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It started very slow. Quite a bit of character stuff which I'd probably have cared more about if I'd watched the first one...
I'd be surprised if that works without a VPN. These things are almost always geoblocked. Still, worth a shot.
We'll see. I'm not holding my breath.
=D I just finished watching both seasons (they're short) and immediately went back to the start again. PEGGY!
/jealous
ETA: I want rather badly to link you to a perfect little Peggy Carter Uptown Funk vid, but I just watched it and it spoils several major plot twists, alas.
I am sure it will keep and I will get there one day, honest.
Tony named his voice assistant Jarvis. And when you meet actual Jarvis you realize this was probably done out of affection. Of the Tony Stark sort.
Yes I watched all the Iron Man films, it was a sort of of course that makes perfect sense. Also it's such a specific name, if that makes sense.
Yeah. General consensus leans ISTP, which I tend to agree with.
Yeah, not Capt Jack enough for an ESTP. ;)
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The first one was . . . fine. Pretty lightweight, but nothing wrong with it.
I seem to have just downloaded 13 Marvel movies . . . oops? Also: lord give me strength.
I am sure it will keep and I will get there one day, honest.
I believe you, or I'd just make you watch the vid and be done with it ; )
This'll have to do instead:
http://dailymarvelheroes.tumblr.com/post/168963368298
#that's it, that's the show
Yes I watched all the Iron Man films, it was a sort of of course that makes perfect sense. Also it's such a specific name, if that makes sense.
Ah, got you. I thought that was an 'I'm not following you' ellipsis. TBH, I think it took me two episodes to make that connection and then it was like 'omg, how so perfect?'
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Holy crap. I have watched... 2/3?
I believe you, or I'd just make you watch the vid and be done with it ; )
What, add it as autoplay to everything? ;)
#that's it, that's the show
Yeah, that's the impression I had! :)
Ah, got you. I thought that was an 'I'm not following you' ellipsis. TBH, I think it took me two episodes to make that connection and then it was like 'omg, how so perfect?'
Ellipsis are often too oblique. And that's extremely adorable.
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The internet tells me there are 19 now. But that was the biggest party pack I could get my hands on. I'm pretty sure you've seen more than I have, though.
Having a marathon. (Worked all weekend, today and tomorrow off.) Why do they give movies so much money? They only waste it on fight scenes. Oh well, I've made it through Thor, which is the worst hurdle.
What, add it as autoplay to everything? ;)
If you're suggesting I adopt a Peggy Carter Uptown Funk vid as my own personal rickroll, I am here for it.
Ellipsis are often too oblique. And that's extremely adorable.
And yet so indispensible . . .
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I should probably make a list.
Having a marathon. (Worked all weekend, today and tomorrow off.)
I have taken the whole week off! (Although today is Bank Holiday, so I'd have had the day off anyway.) Talk to me if you want.
Why do they give movies so much money? They only waste it on fight scenes.
SO TRUE! Although in the case of Mad Max: Fury Road, that's the point.
Oh well, I've made it through Thor, which is the worst hurdle.
Every time we come across it, I start off going 'Oh yes, this is quite fun' and then remember how they COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BUTCHER NORSE MYTHOLOGY and then get very cross.
If you're suggesting I adopt a Peggy Carter Uptown Funk vid as my own personal rickroll, I am here for it.
Yeah, tbh that sounds... pretty amazing.
And yet so indispensible . . .
Indeed.
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I'd read it.
I have taken the whole week off! (Although today is Bank Holiday, so I'd have had the day off anyway.) Talk to me if you want.
I am probably taking next week off, I think. Fingers crossed.
Just finished the first Captain America and the two things I can say is:
1) The people who are saying you need to see it to appreciate Winter Soldier are probably right.
2) Peggy is such a pale shadow of who she is on her show that I want to sake her and yell at her to stop gawping like the movie love interest she's being written as and be awesome instead. Thank goodness her boy crush got his ass frozen and spared us any more of it.
SO TRUE! Although in the case of Mad Max: Fury Road, that's the point.
I don't mind it on occasion when a movie does it very well (I love Kill Bill, personally). But most of the time I'm like 'oh, look, they're doing fighting again . . . '
Every time we come across it, I start off going 'Oh yes, this is quite fun' and then remember how they COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BUTCHER NORSE MYTHOLOGY and then get very cross.
I think of you every time Thor comes up ; ) Whereas I just get cross because it's dull as dishwater and Thor is the worst.
Yeah, tbh that sounds... pretty amazing.
Smoother than a fresh jar of Skippy *g*
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OK then.
I am probably taking next week off, I think. Fingers crossed.
Go you! I (foolishly) promised that we'd sort out the girls' bedroom and then WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT PAINT and dammit, actual work needs to happen. Today I merely got them to go through about 10 boxes of 'stuff' and sort out what they wanted to keep. And tidied up all the wood outside, so now the side of the house looks neat and not like a hurricane went through a forest and then dumped a dismembered tree outside. (As well as planks and other bits & pieces.) I done good.
1) The people who are saying you need to see it to appreciate Winter Soldier are probably right.
I have seen bits. Might try to watch it this week...
2) Peggy is such a pale shadow of who she is on her show that I want to sake her and yell at her to stop gawping like the movie love interest she's being written as and be awesome instead. Thank goodness her boy crush got his ass frozen and spared us any more of it.
Did you notice Jenna??? (I recognised her by how she held her hands.)
I don't mind it on occasion when a movie does it very well (I love Kill Bill, personally). But most of the time I'm like 'oh, look, they're doing fighting again . . . '
Yeah. And a lot of the time I can't help thinking 'But what if the other guy was stronger?' Like, is that all that stops the world from ending - the hero being better at punching than another guy?
I think of you every time Thor comes up ; ) Whereas I just get cross because it's dull as dishwater and Thor is the worst.
See I like Thor. He's a bit thick and likes to punch things. That part is fine. It's all the rest.
Smoother than a fresh jar of Skippy *g*
... (This time, the ellipsis is a question mark. What is a jar of Skippy?)
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Ugh. Allow me:
Today I merely got them to go through about 10 boxes of 'stuff' and sort out what they wanted to keep. And tidied up all the wood outside, so now the side of the house looks neat and not like a hurricane went through a forest and then dumped a dismembered tree outside. (As well as planks and other bits & pieces.) I done good.
Punch the mess IN ITS FACE!
Did you notice Jenna??? (I recognised her by how she held her hands.)
Well, I noticed her face ; )
That scene at the beginning is literally her only one. And then later Natalie Dormer shows up for literally one scene as well.
Yeah. And a lot of the time I can't help thinking 'But what if the other guy was stronger?' Like, is that all that stops the world from ending - the hero being better at punching than another guy?
*sigh* Yup. Stupid super heroes. A very few of them manage to make me feel like it works on a metaphorical level, but most of them it's exactly that: I guess you're right because you can punch harder.
Something I love about Peggy Carter is that her fighting style is one of the most brutal and opportunistic I've ever seen outside of, like, Jason Bourne movies. You believe that she wins against all of these gangs of men because she really does fight dirty. It's this surprisingly endearing bit of realism.
See I like Thor. He's a bit thick and likes to punch things. That part is fine. It's all the rest.
ESFP--he was doomed from the start. And the beginning of the movie really does a phenominal job of making him look like a massive tool. I mean, not more than Tony Stark, but you kind of have to look at Loki and go, ok, so I know you've got this whole evil plot going here, but in your defense, your brother is really annoying.
What I hate about the whole Asguard crew is that it's so humorless. They do land a few good jokes when they contrast them with the people on earth (Thor breaking the coffee cup was basically the high point of that). But when they're all amongst themselves? I had a laugh when I saw Kenneth Brannaugh directed that one. It all felt so Shakespearian in the very worst sense of the word.
It is kinda fun to go back and see baby Phil Coulson from before the show. HE'S SO YOUNG!!!! And when he steps in front of the giant fire-shooting magic robot from space and faces it down with all the bored bureaucratic disdain of a DMV employee, it fills my heart with so much glee. But, much like with Peggy, I'm basically rooting for him to go get himself killed so he can ditch this circus and go have his real life.
... (This time, the ellipsis is a question mark. What is a jar of Skippy?)
Peanut butter. It's a line from the song. Rhymed fabulously with 'Jackson Mississippi.'
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Ayeeee. It will SO BE WORTH IT. But. So MANY THINGS. Why did we buy them so many toys/stupid stocking fillers/random tat?
Punch the mess IN ITS FACE!
Yup. And Inferior Se is... Well, I don't cope well with mess, it makes me feel claustrophobic and stressed. So anything that will permanently reduce mess is a win in my book.
Well, I noticed her face ; )
LOL. It was just the hands that first made me go 'Oh!'
That scene at the beginning is literally her only one. And then later Natalie Dormer shows up for literally one scene as well.
Yeah, she was like 'that evening's date'?
*sigh* Yup. Stupid super heroes. A very few of them manage to make me feel like it works on a metaphorical level, but most of them it's exactly that: I guess you're right because you can punch harder.
This is one of the reasons I love Deadpool. The deconstruction of everything. Also Watchmen. Best. Ending. Ever. (You have seen Watchmen, y/y?)
Something I love about Peggy Carter is that her fighting style is one of the most brutal and opportunistic I've ever seen outside of, like, Jason Bourne movies. You believe that she wins against all of these gangs of men because she really does fight dirty. It's this surprisingly endearing bit of realism.
Oh nice. Yes, I like that. (We caught a bit of one of the Expendables movies a few weeks ago, and the action literally stops for the sake of an elaborate fight scene. Which I know is the point of the whole thing, but... *hands* Oh no wait, that was Winter Soldier. MY BAD. The scene on the boat, when you get that far.)
ESFP--he was doomed from the start.
*snort* Yeah in my head Thor, Loki & Heimdal (still can't get over the fact that they cast Idris Elba) look like this:
And Thor is happily married. Still an idiot though, found some lovely scans here. Especially love Thor habit of smashing the hammer into his hand for emphasis. That's the very first comic, they are fab and I am sure you can understand why the movies are... SO WRONG. (Apologies I am sure I have ranted about all this before. But I love those comics so much. In the 2nd one Thor dresses up pretending to be Freya, because a Jotunn has stolen the hammer and wants Freya as a wife in order to hand it back. It ends with a massive argument amongst the gods about the roles and rights of women. <3)
And the beginning of the movie really does a phenominal job of making him look like a massive tool. I mean, not more than Tony Stark, but you kind of have to look at Loki and go, ok, so I know you've got this whole evil plot going here, but in your defense, your brother is really annoying.
Well, he IS a massive tool. Good at punching things. Loki is smart and can run rings around everyone. OTOH Thor is generally decent and Loki might just stab you in the back. Swings & roundabouts.
What I hate about the whole Asguard crew is that it's so humorless. They do land a few good jokes when they contrast them with the people on earth (Thor breaking the coffee cup was basically the high point of that). But when they're all amongst themselves? I had a laugh when I saw Kenneth Brannaugh directed that one. It all felt so Shakespearian in the very worst sense of the word.
*snerk* Like I said - not a patch on the comics.
It is kinda fun to go back and see baby Phil Coulson from before the show. HE'S SO YOUNG!!!! And when he steps in front of the giant fire-shooting magic robot from space and faces it down with all the bored bureaucratic disdain of a DMV employee, it fills my heart with so much glee. But, much like with Peggy, I'm basically rooting for him to go get himself killed so he can ditch this circus and go have his real life.
I hear ya. Now I want to re-watch that scene.
Peanut butter. It's a line from the song. Rhymed fabulously with 'Jackson Mississippi.'
I thought it was probably something like that, but had never come across it before.
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Stuff breeds to fill the available space.
Yup. And Inferior Se is... Well, I don't cope well with mess, it makes me feel claustrophobic and stressed. So anything that will permanently reduce mess is a win in my book.
*pets and sends serene visions of Ikea catalogues*
LOL. It was just the hands that first made me go 'Oh!'
Having watched the scene, I'm even more amused by this. Her hands barely figure at all.
Oh, and re-reading your initial post, I've gotta say that the first Captain America movie doesn't do a whole lot to fill in the Steve/Bucky friendship either. They probably don't have more than ten minutes of screen time together in it. We do learn that Bucky was Steve's friend way back when he was tiny and put-upon and too noble for his own good and kept getting himself in trouble. So he tried to look after him.
This is one of the reasons I love Deadpool. The deconstruction of everything.
Hee. Though, I'll admit, that hit a bit close to home at the moment.
Huh. Deadpool is not on the Marvel movies master list. I guess you can't keep that in the master continuity and loose half your audience who can't go see R films.
Also Watchmen. Best. Ending. Ever. (You have seen Watchmen, y/y?)
Watched and read, actually. And I totally cannot remember the ending of either.
(We caught a bit of one of the Expendables movies a few weeks ago, and the action literally stops for the sake of an elaborate fight scene. Which I know is the point of the whole thing, but... *hands* Oh no wait, that was Winter Soldier. MY BAD. The scene on the boat, when you get that far.)
Oh joy. I'll probably get to it today. I've just got Thor: Dark World before Winter Soldier, so. Oh, and did Iron Man 3 last night, which you're right, was quite good. For a hot minute I thought they had actually killed Pepper and was ready to be like, 'ok, we're done here.' And then I remembered they'd been pumping her full of extremis.
Yeah in my head Thor, Loki & Heimdal (still can't get over the fact that they cast Idris Elba) look like this:
Lol. You don't get Idris Elba from that?
Also, if the movie had thought to make a customs joke, I would have liked it more.
And Thor is happily married.
Tangent: Jane has to be the most unbelievably underdeveloped, shoehorned in love interest story line of the lot.
Still an idiot though, found some lovely scans here. Especially love Thor habit of smashing the hammer into his hand for emphasis. That's the very first comic, they are fab and I am sure you can understand why the movies are... SO WRONG. (Apologies I am sure I have ranted about all this before. But I love those comics so much.
It's ok. I get the same any time anybody does an Alice in Wonderland adaptation.
In the 2nd one Thor dresses up pretending to be Freya, because a Jotunn has stolen the hammer and wants Freya as a wife in order to hand it back. It ends with a massive argument amongst the gods about the roles and rights of women. <3)
Nice.
Also some drag would have improved the movie as well.
I hear ya. Now I want to re-watch that scene.
Have you seen A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer?
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Not half. Also there's things like the three TARDISes we own? No four, if I count the not-LEGO one. They take up space. We also have a pretty large K-9 but I am not sure where it is...
*pets and sends serene visions of Ikea catalogues*
You know me so well! ♥ (We are painting it white with a yellow feature wall.)
Having watched the scene, I'm even more amused by this. Her hands barely figure at all.
I notice weird things?
Oh, and re-reading your initial post, I've gotta say that the first Captain America movie doesn't do a whole lot to fill in the Steve/Bucky friendship either. They probably don't have more than ten minutes of screen time together in it. We do learn that Bucky was Steve's friend way back when he was tiny and put-upon and too noble for his own good and kept getting himself in trouble. So he tried to look after him.
From one of the other comments - in the comics Bucky is an orphan and Steve takes him under his wing. Which I like more.
Huh. Deadpool is not on the Marvel movies master list. I guess you can't keep that in the master continuity and loose half your audience who can't go see R films.
He's not Marvel, he's X-Men. (That's... DC?? Like Wolverine and all that. Mutants, not superheroes. Not that there's much of a difference.)
Watched and read, actually. And I totally cannot remember the ending of either.
They go confront Ozymandias (the 'best' superhero) who is the bad guy and is planning one of those horrible actions which will make all of humanity come together. And as they waffle on about how he should think about what he's doing or they'll have to stop him, he just sort of smiles pityingly and says 'How stupid do you think I am? I already did it twenty minutes ago.' SO MUCH YES, SOMEONE READ PETE'S EVIL OVERLORD LIST!
Lol. You don't get Idris Elba from that?
Short, fat, white & officious? To be fair, the only way Idris Elba could be LESS like 'my' Heimdal is if they'd turned him female...
Also, if the movie had thought to make a customs joke, I would have liked it more.
Yeah it was... very dull. And why the hell did they do the whole Art Deco look? VIKINGS! Wood, golden shields, go borrow stuff from LotR's Rohirrim. HOW DO YOU GET THINGS SO WRONG???
Tangent: Jane has to be the most unbelievably underdeveloped, shoehorned in love interest story line of the lot.
Jane? In Thor? The, um, pretty white girl? Played by, ugh, name escapes me.
It's ok. I get the same any time anybody does an Alice in Wonderland adaptation.
I hear ya. :(
Also some drag would have improved the movie as well.
It's like they looked at Norse mythology, deliberately removed all the interesting stuff and then pasted stock characters onto what was left.
Have you seen A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer?
I had not!! Srsly, you are definitely selling Agents of SHIELD.
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Well, there's your solution: put the stuff in the TARDISes.
You know me so well! ♥ (We are painting it white with a yellow feature wall.)
Shiny! Really, best of luck. I loathe painting.
From one of the other comments - in the comics Bucky is an orphan and Steve takes him under his wing. Which I like more.
Yeah, that could work.
He's not Marvel, he's X-Men. (That's... DC?? Like Wolverine and all that. Mutants, not superheroes. Not that there's much of a difference.)
I had to look it up. Deadpool is Marvel, as is X-Men. But they have to keep them separate for obscure reasons involving X-Men belonging to a different studio.
They go confront Ozymandias (the 'best' superhero) who is the bad guy and is planning one of those horrible actions which will make all of humanity come together. And as they waffle on about how he should think about what he's doing or they'll have to stop him, he just sort of smiles pityingly and says 'How stupid do you think I am? I already did it twenty minutes ago.' SO MUCH YES, SOMEONE READ PETE'S EVIL OVERLORD LIST!
Aaaah. Ok, yeah, it's coming back to me. I do remember that being deeply satisfying.
Yeah it was... very dull. And why the hell did they do the whole Art Deco look? VIKINGS! Wood, golden shields, go borrow stuff from LotR's Rohirrim. HOW DO YOU GET THINGS SO WRONG???
Cause it's, like, SPACE! (They hired the same architects as the Time Lords).
Jane? In Thor? The, um, pretty white girl? Played by, ugh, name escapes me.
Natalie Portman (it took me awhile too). I want to know how the hell they got her on that movie. I mean, the Star Wars prequels I kinda understand because I'm not going to hold wanting to be in a Star Wars movie against anybody. But, Natalie, honey, come on. You're better than this. And not in a Meryl Streep 'I can get away with doing Mamma Mia because I can do whatever the fuck I want' way.
It's like they looked at Norse mythology, deliberately removed all the interesting stuff and then pasted stock characters onto what was left.
That's it. It's all so deeply, deeply, crushingly generic.
I had not!! Srsly, you are definitely selling Agents of SHIELD.
*g* In fairness, Phil Coulson basically sells himself. Such an endlessly delightful character. That was apparently an extra on one of the DVDs. I seem to recall its popularity was part of the motivation for giving him a show (along with the massive fan campaign for him to not be dead).
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They're bigger on the OUTSIDE. (Esp Ten's. It's MASSIVE! We might have to somehow dispose of that one. Although were're keeping Eleven's forever and ever.)
Shiny! Really, best of luck. I loathe painting.
It's all the organising beforehand that's killing me. The actual painting will mean that we're nearly done.
Yeah, that could work.
If Bucky is the guy he looks out for, that he feels responsible for, then of course he'll go to ridiculous lengths to try to save him. I am 100% adopting comics canon.
I had to look it up. Deadpool is Marvel, as is X-Men. But they have to keep them separate for obscure reasons involving X-Men belonging to a different studio.
Aaaah yes. I vaguely recall this.
Aaaah. Ok, yeah, it's coming back to me. I do remember that being deeply satisfying.
Literally love that film to pieces. Haven't watched it in forever, should probably remedy that. V violent, but ugh, the aesthetic is amazing.
Cause it's, like, SPACE! (They hired the same architects as the Time Lords).
I'd say the Time Lords are more Art Nouveau? Maybe not from a distance, but close up everything is swirly and ornate. MCU Valhalla is just sort of big, shiny and empty. Where do they keep all their STUFF? Oh and someone posted the most basic outline of the Wedding comic. :D (It misses a bunch of stuff - it has everything, including Thor being mansplained to whilst dressed as Freya - but you can get a feel for it.) Oh and Thor's house! <3
Natalie Portman (it took me awhile too).
Thank you! And yeah, it's a blank space of a character. :(
That's it. It's all so deeply, deeply, crushingly generic.
No wonder Loki stands out, he's the only one allowed more than one layer.
*g* In fairness, Phil Coulson basically sells himself. Such an endlessly delightful character. That was apparently an extra on one of the DVDs. I seem to recall its popularity was part of the motivation for giving him a show (along with the massive fan campaign for him to not be dead).
Good old fandom. :D
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The rest of it sucks. Other than 20 seconds of Loki pretending to be Captain America in full 'because it's wrong!' fashion.
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Well, it's better than nothing I guess.
The rest of it sucks. Other than 20 seconds of Loki pretending to be Captain America in full 'because it's wrong!' fashion.
If you find a clip of that, I'd be very happy. :)
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I did find it slightly more engaging this time because Agents of SHEILD got deep into the Kree (the blue aliens--Karen Gillan is one) so all of the space politics were mildly more interesting.
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I'mma be honest, it's no masterpiece, but Guardians of the Galaxy was probably amongst the stronger half of the ones I've seen.
Well, I don't know who I'd feel if I'd watched the whole thing.
Chris Pratt is always amusing, the music is great, there's some good subversive humor to it. The plot is . . . eh, it's a Marvel plot. But it's no worse than any of the other movies for it.
I just found it painfully generic in every way. :(
I did find it slightly more engaging this time because Agents of SHEILD got deep into the Kree (the blue aliens--Karen Gillan is one) so all of the space politics were mildly more interesting.
You are doing a good job of selling your show, I have to give you that!
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Outrageous.
If Bucky is the guy he looks out for, that he feels responsible for, then of course he'll go to ridiculous lengths to try to save him. I am 100% adopting comics canon.
I think the first Captain America movie does a good job showing him as somebody who would do this anyway. Like I said, too noble for his own good.
Literally love that film to pieces. Haven't watched it in forever, should probably remedy that. V violent, but ugh, the aesthetic is amazing.
No arguing that. It's been awhile. I think my impression of the movie was that it was mostly a serviceable adaptation of the comic (which I enjoyed very much). I could watch that trailer endlessly, though.
Oh and someone posted the most basic outline of the Wedding comic. :D (It misses a bunch of stuff - it has everything, including Thor being mansplained to whilst dressed as Freya - but you can get a feel for it.) Oh and Thor's house! <3
The Muppet band at the wedding! But, yes, that's far better than movie Thor.
Thank you! And yeah, it's a blank space of a character. :(
The Dark World does zero to remedy this. And there's something very irksome when you take an utterly generic female character love interest with no personality beyond being pretty and in love with the hero and go 'oh, but she's a scientist!' It's as if someone got the memo that you have to take female characters seriously and then had no idea how to do that. (I'm pretty sure the same applied to Bruce Banner's love interest in the original film, whose name escapes me but was also a scientist.) There's an awful beat at the beginning of Age of Ultron at the party where somebody asks where Pepper and Jane are and it's like 'oh, they're off being very important, you know how important they are.' And if it was just about Piper I'd take it because they did the work there, but Jane? Ugh.
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Very true. But I want to know why Bucky is that much more special. ;)
No arguing that. It's been awhile. I think my impression of the movie was that it was mostly a serviceable adaptation of the comic (which I enjoyed very much). I could watch that trailer endlessly, though.
Never read the comic, but would like to. And I went straight from writing that comment to looking up the trailer. Love me a perfect trailer. (The Baz Luhrman Gatsby trailer is another one that just *works*. It's something about the rhythm, I love it.)
The Muppet band at the wedding! But, yes, that's far better than movie Thor.
It has a wonderful sense of humour. <3
The Dark World does zero to remedy this.
Oh joy. /sarcasm font
There's an awful beat at the beginning of Age of Ultron at the party where somebody asks where Pepper and Jane are and it's like 'oh, they're off being very important, you know how important they are.' And if it was just about Piper I'd take it because they did the work there, but Jane? Ugh.
Now I want to watch the beginning (like the first half hour) of Wonder Woman on repeat. No men AT ALL.
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I loved the fugitives on the lam feel of it and the way all of the interpersonal connections are getting more complex.
I love that we don't know much about Clint because he's actually kind of normal. That is awesome. And his talk with Scarlet Witch about whether or not she's going to rejoin the fight was the best scene of the whole movie.
I liked Romanov and Banner. The execution admittedly wasn't great, but I think there's a lot in there that's pretty interesting.
And then I watched Ant Man which was, indeed quite good. Though I'm getting annoyed every time I have to take a break from the main storyline to sit through yet another origins story. And the more of these you sit through in a row the more hideously boring every set up of powerful thing that could destroy everything and antagonist who wants it for themselves gets. Every time Michael Douglass came on scene I nearly phased out: you made a thing, some other guy wants it, blah, blah, blah fishcakes.
Scott's criminal friends were amazing, though. Give them a movie. And this is by far the most interesting super hero power mechanism of any of them. Like: there's a set of rules and you win through applying them in creative ways. That's the way to make me want to watch a fight scene.
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I have zero recollection of what Ultron is or wants. Or indeed any of the plot.
Re. Ant Man, then yes, parts are SO GENERIC it's only bearable because he's so engaging, but the Bad Guy plan is... ugh.
Scott's criminal friends were amazing, though. Give them a movie.
IKR? The Mexican guy who picks him up and tells him what's happened while I-forget-Antman's-real-name has been in prison and immediately I wanted to watch THAT story, not origin story #whatever.
And this is by far the most interesting super hero power mechanism of any of them. Like: there's a set of rules and you win through applying them in creative ways. That's the way to make me want to watch a fight scene.
The train fight is the single best fight in any film.
And the KEY RING. It's just SO MUCH FUN.
OK, running away. :D
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Good luck!!
I have zero recollection of what Ultron is or wants. Or indeed any of the plot.
Tony is creating an artificial intelligence system to defend the whole earth from alien invasions and accidentally gives it sentience using one of the infinity stones. Predictably it immediately gets the wrong end of the stick and decides that protecting the earth means something different from not getting people killed. As soon as we get to that point it's boring, but the argument about what Tony is doing and why is actually quite good.
Re. Ant Man, then yes, parts are SO GENERIC it's only bearable because he's so engaging, but the Bad Guy plan is... ugh.
It's getting to the point where I'm preferring the super heroes who just pop up without their own dedicated movie because so help me, I do not care.
Also, another origins story, another shoehorned, underdeveloped love interest. I hate everything.
IKR? The Mexican guy who picks him up and tells him what's happened while I-forget-Antman's-real-name has been in prison and immediately I wanted to watch THAT story, not origin story #whatever.
The bits where he's telling a story in voiceover and all the people in the story are lip-synching along to his slang-y retelling of it: I know that's a pretty standard joke, but it's one of my favorite executions of it I've ever seen.
The train fight is the single best fight in any film.
That was great. They way they kept bringing up the tropes of that kind of fight and then inverting them over and over was fantastic. Also the giant Thomas the Tank Engine lying sideways through the side of the house, the eyes tracking back and forth.
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