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So, the day before yesterday Darcy & decided to watch The Winter Soldier (it was on Netflix, we hadn't seen it).
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
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Outrageous.
If Bucky is the guy he looks out for, that he feels responsible for, then of course he'll go to ridiculous lengths to try to save him. I am 100% adopting comics canon.
I think the first Captain America movie does a good job showing him as somebody who would do this anyway. Like I said, too noble for his own good.
Literally love that film to pieces. Haven't watched it in forever, should probably remedy that. V violent, but ugh, the aesthetic is amazing.
No arguing that. It's been awhile. I think my impression of the movie was that it was mostly a serviceable adaptation of the comic (which I enjoyed very much). I could watch that trailer endlessly, though.
Oh and someone posted the most basic outline of the Wedding comic. :D (It misses a bunch of stuff - it has everything, including Thor being mansplained to whilst dressed as Freya - but you can get a feel for it.) Oh and Thor's house! <3
The Muppet band at the wedding! But, yes, that's far better than movie Thor.
Thank you! And yeah, it's a blank space of a character. :(
The Dark World does zero to remedy this. And there's something very irksome when you take an utterly generic female character love interest with no personality beyond being pretty and in love with the hero and go 'oh, but she's a scientist!' It's as if someone got the memo that you have to take female characters seriously and then had no idea how to do that. (I'm pretty sure the same applied to Bruce Banner's love interest in the original film, whose name escapes me but was also a scientist.) There's an awful beat at the beginning of Age of Ultron at the party where somebody asks where Pepper and Jane are and it's like 'oh, they're off being very important, you know how important they are.' And if it was just about Piper I'd take it because they did the work there, but Jane? Ugh.
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Very true. But I want to know why Bucky is that much more special. ;)
No arguing that. It's been awhile. I think my impression of the movie was that it was mostly a serviceable adaptation of the comic (which I enjoyed very much). I could watch that trailer endlessly, though.
Never read the comic, but would like to. And I went straight from writing that comment to looking up the trailer. Love me a perfect trailer. (The Baz Luhrman Gatsby trailer is another one that just *works*. It's something about the rhythm, I love it.)
The Muppet band at the wedding! But, yes, that's far better than movie Thor.
It has a wonderful sense of humour. <3
The Dark World does zero to remedy this.
Oh joy. /sarcasm font
There's an awful beat at the beginning of Age of Ultron at the party where somebody asks where Pepper and Jane are and it's like 'oh, they're off being very important, you know how important they are.' And if it was just about Piper I'd take it because they did the work there, but Jane? Ugh.
Now I want to watch the beginning (like the first half hour) of Wonder Woman on repeat. No men AT ALL.