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I'm feeling generally pissed off, but shall spare you the (mostly RL-related) details. Instead I bring you a couple of quotes from our own Mr Whedon, from way back when. Please can we have that Joss back?

But nowadays I’m really cranky about comics. . . . Because most of them are just really, really poorly written soft-core. And I miss good old storytelling. And you know what else I miss ? Super powers. Why is it now that everybody’s like ‘I can reverse the polarity of your ions !’ Like in one big flash everybody’s Doctor Strange. I like the guys that can stick to walls and change into sand and stuff. I don’t understand anything anymore. And all the girls are wearing nothing, and they all look like they have implants. Well, I sound like a very old man, and a cranky one, but it’s true.” (Dark Horse interview)

What we don’t have, which is what some science fiction shows have, is we can’t just do a thing because it seems cool. Everything that we pitch, everything that we put out there, whether or not it works, is based on the idea of: The audience has been through this. A normal girl goes through this. A normal guy deals with this. You know, it’s issues of sexuality, popularity, jobs. Whatever it is, it’s got to be based in realism. We can’t just say, you know, `The warship’s come and, you know, they transmogrify, the-blah, blah, blah.’ We can’t do that. We can go to some pretty strange places, but at the start, we always have to be about, `How does the audience relate to having done this themselves ?’ (Fresh Air Interview)

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Date: 30 August 2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com
God, yes...it really doesn't sound like that's the same guy who writes S8...

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Date: 30 August 2010 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rahirah
I don't know, that "do it just because it's cool" sounds exactly like the guy who turned Dawn into a giant and gave Buffy (more) superpowers.

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Date: 30 August 2010 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] powerofthebook.livejournal.com
Maybe the real Joss was kidnapped some years ago, and what we're seeing now is Jossbot, as designed by Warren. It's just so difficult to reconcile the man that said those things with the product he's come out with in the past few years.

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Date: 30 August 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com
He put his heart into Firefly, and when it was canceled, he had no more heart left.

Then he sold his soul to get Dollhouse on air for 2 seasons...

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Date: 30 August 2010 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hello-spikey.livejournal.com
wow... just... wow.

Yeah, I want THAT Joss to write these comics. Plz?

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Date: 30 August 2010 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
*sigh*

I believe the axiom "physician heal thyself" applies to those quotes.

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Date: 30 August 2010 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com
Makes you wonder why we didn't hear about that blow on the head he suffered doesn't it? Or the huge crack addiction.

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Date: 30 August 2010 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rahirah
The thing is, the best comics (just like the best stories in any medium) managed to be cool AND say something about human experience. It's not mutually exclusive.

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Date: 30 August 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chloris67.livejournal.com
Oh Joss. Where did you go? Just step back from the comics. They are doing you no good at all.

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Date: 30 August 2010 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gabrielleabelle.livejournal.com
Your icon made me giggle madly.

I have no comics thoughts.

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Date: 30 August 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jnb71976.livejournal.com
Ugh. The whole thing just makes me sigh and shake my head.

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Date: 30 August 2010 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com
Everything that we pitch, everything that we put out there, whether or not it works, is based on the idea of: The audience has been through this. A normal girl goes through this. A normal guy deals with this.

Joss is so right! Issue #34 really resonated with me becuase it helped me deal with my issues with that one time I tried fucking in space with my high school boyfriend who everyone (except a few girls with other psychotic issues) thought I was totally over, but when Buffy jumped Angel's bones it was like they had ripped it straight from my life! Joss really knows his stuff, doesn't he?

/sarcasm.

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Date: 30 August 2010 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Whatever it is, it’s got to be based in realism.

Hmm - 'realism' - Dawn the giant, bangel shagging in outer-space, whatever - I don't think that word means what he thinks it means...

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Date: 30 August 2010 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/
He really seems to have lost his way from that idealistic beginning. I wish he had stuck to his guns and written Season 8 that way, instead of what he is doing now. Oh Joss, you have changed.

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Date: 30 August 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitewhale.livejournal.com

Joss has done a turnaround on a whole host of things since the comics.

At this point I'm left with no other option than to believe he really is just trying to destroy the characters and 'verse out of spite.

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Date: 30 August 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
*headdesk*

He sounds so sane there...

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Date: 30 August 2010 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timeofchange.livejournal.com
Hey, I remember that guy!

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Date: 30 August 2010 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
I really like the second quote. Not just in contrast with the comics, but as commentary on BtVS overall. Very nicely put.

As long as we're psychoanalysing Joss, I think I can see why he'd forget that in the excitement of getting to tell a brand new story with these characters. The guy's been working under network/studio/actor/etc restrictions for ages, and I think everyone here can relate to that first moment when they realised "Hey! I can write fanfic and make anything happen!" Still, a pity.

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Date: 30 August 2010 08:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] speakr2customrs.livejournal.com
My diagnosis is Early Onset Alzheimer's.

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Date: 31 August 2010 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] averageshmoe.livejournal.com
Comic book writing is a very different discipline than screen writing. The merits of a really good editor cannot be underestimated. He's the last line of defense between the readers and slip shod material.

I've never seen any evidence that Whedon is a good comic book writer. His priorities seem to be skewered. It takes him multiple issues to get into the storyline and by that time I'm gone.

Please forgive me if I sound bitter, it's just because I am. While I admit that some of the IDW material was less than inspired, I still enjoyed it far more than the DH offerings. It seems that the more distance between them and Buffy the more I like Spike and Angel. They seem to get their testosterone back in working order.

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Date: 31 August 2010 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenderlove.livejournal.com
Well, it's a good thing he's writing a comic based on his series that HE BASED IN REALITY (to a certain degree), and yet... his comics aren't normal, aren't based in reality, so I guess Joss is the only one who wins.

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