elisi: Living in interesting times is not worth it (s8 wft-ery by beer_good_foamy)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2010-08-30 02:03 pm

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I'm feeling generally pissed off, but shall spare you the (mostly RL-related) details. Instead I bring you a couple of quotes from our own Mr Whedon, from way back when. Please can we have that Joss back?

But nowadays I’m really cranky about comics. . . . Because most of them are just really, really poorly written soft-core. And I miss good old storytelling. And you know what else I miss ? Super powers. Why is it now that everybody’s like ‘I can reverse the polarity of your ions !’ Like in one big flash everybody’s Doctor Strange. I like the guys that can stick to walls and change into sand and stuff. I don’t understand anything anymore. And all the girls are wearing nothing, and they all look like they have implants. Well, I sound like a very old man, and a cranky one, but it’s true.” (Dark Horse interview)

What we don’t have, which is what some science fiction shows have, is we can’t just do a thing because it seems cool. Everything that we pitch, everything that we put out there, whether or not it works, is based on the idea of: The audience has been through this. A normal girl goes through this. A normal guy deals with this. You know, it’s issues of sexuality, popularity, jobs. Whatever it is, it’s got to be based in realism. We can’t just say, you know, `The warship’s come and, you know, they transmogrify, the-blah, blah, blah.’ We can’t do that. We can go to some pretty strange places, but at the start, we always have to be about, `How does the audience relate to having done this themselves ?’ (Fresh Air Interview)
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[identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
God, yes...it really doesn't sound like that's the same guy who writes S8...
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[identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially if this resigned comment, I heard from Australia about "Comic fans needing different things than Buffy fans" is taken into account.

[identity profile] powerofthebook.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe the real Joss was kidnapped some years ago, and what we're seeing now is Jossbot, as designed by Warren. It's just so difficult to reconcile the man that said those things with the product he's come out with in the past few years.

[identity profile] hello-spikey.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 01:47 pm (UTC)(link)
wow... just... wow.

Yeah, I want THAT Joss to write these comics. Plz?

[identity profile] powerofthebook.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe Firefly/Serenity really *did* break him, and he's now a disillusioned husk of a writer, selling out so he can feed his family?

It's been known to happen. Poorly written soft-core has #34 written all over it, and several other scenes in the series besides. But my goodness! Firefly/Serenity was years ago, and he's produced some other things since then that were rated highly. Why these comic series can't have the same kind of care and forethought, I don't know.

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*sigh*

I believe the axiom "physician heal thyself" applies to those quotes.

[identity profile] powerofthebook.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Space frakking that was apparently intended by the PTB...oh wait, no it wasn't...or was it?...and would compel them to start up their own dreamverse where everything was perfect and beautiful and destroyed the entire world through an ancient prophecy.

I'm saying it's a Jossbot, or he's stoned.

[identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Makes you wonder why we didn't hear about that blow on the head he suffered doesn't it? Or the huge crack addiction.
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[personal profile] rahirah 2010-08-30 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know, that "do it just because it's cool" sounds exactly like the guy who turned Dawn into a giant and gave Buffy (more) superpowers.
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[personal profile] rahirah 2010-08-30 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It's selling both audiences short.
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[personal profile] rahirah 2010-08-30 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is, the best comics (just like the best stories in any medium) managed to be cool AND say something about human experience. It's not mutually exclusive.

[identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly!

I know Joss is famously agnostic, but I used to think that storytelling was his religion. The comics read like the work of someone who's definitely lost his faith and is just "Going Through the Motions."

[identity profile] chloris67.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh Joss. Where did you go? Just step back from the comics. They are doing you no good at all.

[identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com 2010-08-30 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe he transmogrified? Whatever that is?

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