About Spike...

[elisi]

Re. the whole Twilight reveal, and Spike's role...

Bascially I'm hoping they keep him a million miles away from s8. He's got his own series, right? Let him mess around there. Let him marry Beck, or Spider, or Betta George, or something.

(How much would I love for someone to say: "Don't you dare phone him, he's on his honeymoon!" *deep sigh*)

Seriously - don't involve him in the trainwreck. Not that I'm going to be reading, but I was fond of that blond guy once upon a time, y'know? He deserves better than to be destroyed by the s8pocalypse.

(Christ Ryall put up this cover which is amusing me a lot, though.)

Comments

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Totally agree. Keep Spike as far away as possible, while I hang up my Joss fandom hat, and walk away quietly with the DVD's. Season Eight has killed it for me.

[elisi]

Totally agree. Keep Spike as far away as possible, while I hang up my Joss fandom hat, and walk away quietly with the DVD's. Season Eight has killed it for me.
Couldn't agree more. *pets DVDs*

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that would be nice, but I'm afraid, they'll muck him up with the rest of the characters.

[elisi]

*sigh*

Joss, what happened to you?

[kathyh]

What is this thing called Season 8 you speak of? It has no place in my reality as it obviously happened in the Year That Never Was and all was put to rights when the Doctor reset it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it *g*.

[elisi]

Oh that's beautiful. :)

ETA: Also, doesn't the icon fit perfectly? renestarko was taking requests, so I jumped at the chance! Grr typing is clearly not something I've mastered yet...

[jamalov29.livejournal.com]

Bascially I'm hoping they keep him a million miles away from s8 I think it's the dearest 2010 wish of many of us , I'm afraid we won't see it fulfilled.
Spike will be a part of the trainwreck and even as a noit!really!concerned!viewer ,I will get hurt.
I'm in a jolly mood this morning. :-)

[kathyh]

LOL! 'Tis a perfect icon.

I'm just wondering now if Season 8 is what actually sprang into Joss's brain when he turned into the Master and then couldn't eradictate it *g*. Possibly the timeline doesn't quite fit, but when did that ever matter in the Buffyverse.

[elisi]

LOL! 'Tis a perfect icon.
*pets it*

I'm just wondering now if Season 8 is what actually sprang into Joss's brain when he turned into the Master and then couldn't eradictate it *g*. Possibly the timeline doesn't quite fit, but when did that ever matter in the Buffyverse.
Oooh, you're on a roll today! And yes, that's the perfect explanation! *g* (The upside to this is that it makes RTD's plots look positively sensible!)

ETA: I know! After Christmas Joss went to Cardiff and the rift sent him back in time 4 years! :)

[elisi]

I think it's the dearest 2010 wish of many of us , I'm afraid we won't see it fulfilled.
Time to sacrifice some goats maybe?

Spike will be a part of the trainwreck and even as a noit!really!concerned!viewer ,I will get hurt.
I sincerely hope that it'll end with the whole thing being just a dream...

And I'm quite jolly too, I think. Oh - and once I get round to starting on 'My Immortal 2' I shall be bringing much joy to everyone I think! *g*

[adoxerella.livejournal.com]

You know, some of us feel that about Angel too.

Of course, the part of me who is trying to come up with plausible reason with why he is ruining my Woobie, keeps thinking that if the Slayers came after Conner and Spike (because even Betta George ships them)that would give Angel motivation.

Somehow I get the feeling that its going to turn into Season 2 redux, at which point I will be wishing for Spike to appear because at least he would be willing to stake Angel and put us all out of our misery. You know it's bad when I hope someone offs my Woobie.

[elisi]

You know, some of us feel that about Angel too.
Oh I'm right there with you! But since he's a lost cause, apparently, I'm clinging to the only straw I've got left...

if the Slayers came after Conner and Spike (because even Betta George ships them)that would give Angel motivation.
Yeah, that's the only plausible motivation... which means it's out of the question!

You know it's bad when I hope someone offs my Woobie.
My poor poor Angel... *has brainwave* RTD has gone to LA - maybe we could get him to take over the writing?

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

Very much with you on the Angel side :(, Spike's my favorite but Angel comes very high on my list, and to wreck his story just for cheap shock effect and some bangeling in S8 doesn't sit well with me.

[sarian71]

"Seriously - don't involve him in the trainwreck. ."

OMG, I'm right there with you, from the bottom of my heart! But I can't shake the bad feeling about all this...

s8pocalypse"

LOL! I loved this!

[elisi]

OMG, I'm right there with you, from the bottom of my heart! But I can't shake the bad feeling about all this...
It's just such a *waste*...

LOL! I loved this!
Well it was an easy pun - but I didn't feel that should deter me! *g*

[missus-grace.livejournal.com]

Love that cover.

I want to know who Twilight is even though I don't read the comics. I just see everyone talking about them and my curiosity is up. Not enough to actually go read the things, though :)

[elisi]

The cover is *very* pretty - Jo Chen keeps outdoing herself.

I want to know who Twilight is even though I don't read the comics.
Yeah, that's how I felt too. I guess Angel makes as much sense as anyone, although I do wonder what Joss has been smoking...

[elisi]

The whole of the Buffy-verse has been wrecked, so it should come as no surprise that Joss has set his eyes on ATS too...

[avrelia.livejournal.com]

From time to time I wonder whether I should read comics - s8 and others. Then I remember that I am fully satisfied with s7 and s5 endings, and my Angel is unhappily yet valiantly fighting dragons, and Spike and Buffy are happily fighting dragons and having lots of sex together... May be I am a weakling, but is feels nice. ;)

[elisi]

No, you're just *sane*! Joss should know better than to mess around with perfect endings.

[velara.livejournal.com]

I think I remember reading somewhere back when tne comics started.. that Joss planned for Angel and Spike to show up though :(

[elisi]

They were only rumours... By which I mean: Leave my Spike alone!!!! :(

[velara.livejournal.com]

LOL..

Well, I'm someone who after season 5 ended, wrote a quick followup and dusted both Angel and Spike... But really.. The way Joss wrote the universe.. you really can't have a Buffy story with only one of them showing up now. I mean, Spike's gotta save the day eventually.

[elisi]

Well, I'm someone who after season 5 ended, wrote a quick followup and dusted both Angel and Spike...
That would be a far better end for them than whatever Joss will do to them in s8 I'm quite sure!

you really can't have a Buffy story with only one of them showing up now. I mean, Spike's gotta save the day eventually.
Actually, if Spike *does* save the day, I'll eat my hat. But I'll be happy doing it!

[lynnenne]

the part of me who is trying to come up with plausible reason with why he is ruining my Woobie, keeps thinking that if the Slayers came after Conner and Spike (because even Betta George ships them)that would give Angel motivation.


THIS. I had the same thought. I am in fear now that Connor and/or Spike are dead, and I don't want them dead. Even in pretend!canon!

[elisi]

I like the concept of 'pretend!canon!' :)

And - I kinda hate saying this - but I'd almost be happy if Spike and/or Connor were dead, because I think Joss is incapable of killing off main characters, and I'd like to be proved wrong.

(And Angel fighting Buffy because someone killed Spike? Oh, that would make my shippy heart happy; albeit in a very, very twisted way. *sigh*)

This is all very annoying, to be honest, and I feel like we're back in S2...

Oh - by the way! Did you see my 'Between Canon' stories? They're like FitBs to 'My Immortal': Not Fade Away (VERY short) and The Year That Never Was (VERY long!). In case you're short of reading material...

[lynnenne]

And Angel fighting Buffy because someone killed Spike? Oh, that would make my shippy heart happy

Mine, too. But of course, Joss would never write that. Though he might possibly write Angel fighting Buffy because a slayer killed Connor, but the idea of Connor dead just makes me sad. I liked Angel's happy ending, dammit! Why can't they leave my woobies alone?

If you posted those fics over the holidays, then I probably did not see them. I shall check them out!

[elisi]

Mine, too. But of course, Joss would never write that.
Thankfully RTD is much more accomodating! ;)

Though he might possibly write Angel fighting Buffy because someone killed Connor, but the idea of Connor dead just makes me sad. I liked Angel's happy ending, dammit! Why can't they leave my woobies alone?
I don't know. It makes me sad too.

If you posted those fics over the holidays, then I probably did not see them. I shall check them out!
I think I posted them while you were away. It's a while ago anyway, and I've just forgotten to mention them - also you're a very busy lady!

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

It's crackfic. So I just go 'lalalalalalalalala! Joss is hooked on a story crack and I don't hear him... or read him... or care'

Spike is ours now. Mwhahahahahaha!

[elisi]

It's crackfic. So I just go 'lalalalalalalalala! Joss is hooked on a story crack and I don't hear him... or read him... or care'
Yeah, same here.

Spike is ours now. Mwhahahahahaha!
So he is! *plots*

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Time to sacrifice some goats maybe?

Or at least some goat cheese. Cheese seems like a totally appropriate offering.

[elisi]

*points to icon*

(Although it is nowhere near as awesome as yours... I'm very proud to have made my children Red Dwarf fans btw. I figured it was an essential part of their education!)

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Poor Angel.

I was hoping he'd be clear of this mess too. But then Joss did this ::headdesk::

[elisi]

No one is safe from the crack! Hide your babies and your beadwork!

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

But that would mean Buffy having to acknowledge that Connor exists and I don't know that Joss has the balls to do that.

[adoxerella.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's the only plausible motivation... which means it's out of the question!
Yes, but dammit I am too invested in his character to deal with half-arsed explanations.

Bah, I'm going to go back to debating my multi-cross crackfic idea in which Jack recruits Angel and other immortal beings for the newest incarnation of Torchwood, because he's tired of his humans dying.

Also, look over there, it's the TARDIS! *feeds bunnies for a certain crack!fic 'verse carrots* I mean, I love your icon.

[adoxerella.livejournal.com]

I don't want them dead. Even in pretend!canon!
I will admit that I'm torn, since I don't want them even pretend!dead either, but I don't want Angel's complete character assassination either.

[adoxerella.livejournal.com]

to wreck his story just for cheap shock effect and some bangeling in S8 doesn't sit well with me
THIS! Hell, I still enjoy some B/A now and then, but within the confines of actual cannon, that ship has sailed, sank and is now hosting it's own reef. Let's not disturb the wild life by trying to bring it back to the surface.

[elisi]

Yes, but dammit I am too invested in his character to deal with half-arsed explanations.
Well most of the time they don't bother with explanations at all...

Bah, I'm going to go back to debating my multi-cross crackfic idea in which Jack recruits Angel and other immortal beings for the newest incarnation of Torchwood, because he's tired of his humans dying.
Ooooh, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter! *g* (Although if I ever write a sequel to 'Captain Spike' it'll have a moderately similar theme.)

[elisi]

LOL! :D

[(Anonymous)]

LOL Translation: No one is reading the comics anymore because they are garbage. Now Allie again "leaks" inflammatory info to get people to buy them again. I just read it's supposed to be for mature audiences.

I don't even care anymore, but you'd think Joss would have enough pride to try to keep even just a little of his integrity. The Buffyverse fans can easily wipe away S8 because it's not canon, but this stink will be on him forever.

mikeygs

[elisi]

LOL Translation: No one is reading the comics anymore because they are garbage. Now Allie again "leaks" inflammatory info to get people to buy them again. I just read it's supposed to be for mature audiences.
*snerk* I think you might be onto something. (No really, it wouldn't surprise me at *all*!)

I don't even care anymore, but you'd think Joss would have enough pride to try to keep even just a little of his integrity. The Buffyverse fans can easily wipe away S8 because it's not canon, but this stink will be on him forever.
Yeah, I don't understand it either. Although I guess it's disheartening that his shows keep getting cancelled... *shrugs* It's his funeral.

[(Anonymous)]

(No really, it wouldn't surprise me at *all*!)

Most producers go out of their way to keep DUN-DUN-DUN spoilers quiet. This fool can't keep his hole shut. :P Sad.

Although I guess it's disheartening that his shows keep getting cancelled...

Heee. Karma! While I am not a Nielson family, it was the horrible comics that led to me not watching DH. Well, it didn't click with me anyway, but I'd have let my TV on that channel and read a book or something just for support. But noooo, after Sometimes Gay Bankrobbing Buffy, he got no support from me! (Childish, I know. :P)

[elisi]

Most producers go out of their way to keep DUN-DUN-DUN spoilers quiet. This fool can't keep his hole shut. :P Sad.
Yeah... they keep it quiet for 4 *years* and then let slip a few months before the reveal? Either very sloppy, or very calculated. (What gets me is that they hadn't told anyone on IDW that they were going to use their hero as a villain... Nevermind stupid, it's just bad manners!)

But noooo, after Sometimes Gay Bankrobbing Buffy, he got no support from me! (Childish, I know. :P)
Nothing wrong with being childish sometimes! *g*