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Look what I got

kathyh to make for me! (Original idea by

drho.) Isn't it brilliant? Anyone? Bueller? *looks around flist* Anyone besides me who loves 'Invader Zim' (and Dr who)? Ah well... *pets icon*

Oh, before I forget: Happy Birthday

priscellie! Hope you're having a brilliant day! *lots of hugs*

Am feeling blah and bored and impatient, waiting for my copy of 'Angel: After the Fall' issue 1 to arrive, and seeing the alternative cover for s8 issue 11, I decided not to rant, and instead post two (mock) icon ideas...

Idea 1.
Image of Maggie Walsh
Text: "You might want to be suited up for this."
Image of Buffy (surrounded by Initiative soldiers).
Text: "Oh. You mean the cammo and stuff? I thought about it but, I mean, it's gonna look all 'Private Benjamin.' Don't worry, I've patrolled in this halter many times."
Image of Buffy from the alt. cover of #11
Text: [honestly I'm not sure... maybe just 'WTF?' Or 'This is canon how?' or 'Maggie finally approves'? I'm sure someone could think of something smart.]

Idea 2
Text: Buffy always knew the importance of wearing the proper clothing for Slaying! [or similar]
Images of Buffy from 'Prophecy Girl', 'Becoming II', 'Graduation Day 2', 'Primeval', 'The Gift', 'Two to Go' and 'Chosen', with the number of the season displayed.
Text: Hurrah! Joss is writing S8!
Image of Buffy from the alt. cover.
Text: Oh dear, where did Buffy go? [Or: 'Who's that girl?' or...]

And that's it - these are just loose ideas, if anyone wants to make them, please change/adapt/mess around with them as much as you like. Text esp really isn't my strong suit... Oh and I have screencaps of all the images mentioned here. (Did I mention about the bored part?)

ETA: The picture *itself* is beautifully drawn btw. Not ragging on Jeanty's talent.

See what

beer_good_foamy made?

Finally C (my lovely RL fellow Dr Who fan) lent me this John Barrowman article, that I've scanned for y'all to enjoy! It's a bit small, sorry, but I don't have time to mess around trying to make it bigger... maybe you could d/l it and then zoom in?
title or description

Must run!

ETA: Last night's Might Boosh was brilliant! (Noel Fielding has the Best Hair Ever. Fact!) Oh and does anyone else look at the 'Shreddies are knitted by nanas' ads and think of 'Nanageddon'? Also watched 'Rm v/a vu' and Cordy turning up on Angel's doorstep is one of the best scenes ever. (And he's so gorgeous, all wet and towel clad... Mmmmm.)

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I still can't see Buffy going the spandex route, sorry. As I said, her AYW outfit was perfectly fine - this is all Lara Croft-like (except *more* so), and Buffy was (thankfully!) never Lara Croft.

It just looks wrong. (And that's without going into the fact that Buffy looks like Angel's younger sister who's had a nose-job! *g*)

Well since Angel looks like Lorne in the Atf comics maybe everyone has a little green in them on paper. But you seem to have such limiting ideas about what Buffy's allowed to wear, what technology she's allowed to use as if anything post renaissance were unfeminine. I've always thought one of Buffy's main characteristics was her ability to improvise and adapt. Also she wore spandex quite routinely for training right up to and including the session in OMFW, which is pretty much the last time they showed her aerobocising.

I've always thought one of Buffy's main characteristics was her ability to improvise and adapt.
Oh definitely. I just don't think she'd *like* to wear those outfits, and I'd like something to reflect that. That's all. One little line - wouldn't kill anyone, would it?

That said, it looks like the set-up might just be a 'things are wrong' kinda deal - Buffy and Gigi in their respective castles, each with their magicians etc and isolated from the world... (I have no idea if this is correct. I claim no insight where s8 is concerned.)

(And maybe going green is a side-effect of being in hell?)

If you're that certain of Buffy's tastes why would she have to tell you what you already know? Personally I see the new patrolling dress code as an acknowledgement of the change in the world order. Metaphorically women/slayers no longer have to hide behind the sartorial secret identity of girly normality and work by luring the enemy into a false sense of security, they can be open about their power. It's a positive change but that's not to say that the process is complete, unproblematic or will go unchallenged. Twilight for one thing, divided loyalties for another.

(I'd have thought hell was somewhat unecological).

If you're that certain of Buffy's tastes why would she have to tell you what you already know?
I had this long response typed out, but in a nutshell the problem is that I know Buffy from the show. Comic!Buffy is supposed to be the same girl, but I just can't see it.

they can be open about their power
As far as I can see, all they've done is become *more* covert. Now they no longer have to fool *people*/blend in to society - they can be secret soldiers, hiding away in the shadows... like the demons.

Is this a semantics thing? You 'know' your interpretation of Buffy but the problem is that, based on your interpretation of the comics, Joss and the other writers didn't see her the same way. I mean Spike was your entry character to the show so maybe it's a case of her not being Spike's Buffy anymore?

The Slayer used to be hidden away from people and demons alike. Now they're in the open to demons and other supernatural organisations and part of the fascinating thing about power is how it always tends to sequester itself away from those who have least against the best intensions of those who do have it. I have great hopes of the story addressing this and how Buffy and Co need to interact with a much wider cross section of humanity. As I've said before in Sunnydale she was expossed to a very small and not particularily representative part of society, now she's dealing with Slayers from all over the world. I think it's massively oversimplifying to say she's more isolated now, her experience of the world is both more more limited and more extensive, but I look forward to her and Willow meeting a 'civilian' in issue 10.

Is this a semantics thing?
I honestly don't know. I've tried to work it out for months and months now, and I can't figure out what's wrong... And no, it's not the lack of Spike. I watched from the beginning and I always loved Buffy. She was the center of the show, and I liked her happy, I liked her sad, I liked her with Angel, I liked her with Riley (even though I found him extremely dull), I liked her with Spike (obviously - but she needn't spend the rest of her life with him), and when she's harsh & 'cold' (in S6 and 7 esp) my heart bleeds for her, because I understand the pain she's in, and how difficult things are for her. I don't have a canon!Buffy icon, so this Spike one will have to do, but the sentiment is the same - I love Joss' Buffy, I love Marti's Buffy, and David Fury's and DeKnight's and Petri's... She was just Buffy, and she was a hell of a woman. She was the one.

But Comic!Buffy is someone I can't get a grip on. And when the emotional center of the whole thing is inaccessible, I find it terribly hard to care about it. Of course it doesn't help that the story isn't particularly interesting to me, but (f.ex.) even during the most dull parts of the Initiative-plot I could enjoy the show.

When it comes to fic, the author's interpretation influences the writing, and it's just a case of working out how well your own interpretation overlaps, to see how much you'll enjoy it (disregarding such matters as plot, writing style etc. for the sake of my point). But my favourite writers were those on the show - canon is my touchstone, always. I'll defend anything - the AR, Kennedy, Caleb, even AYW - because that's the show. That's what matters. I can't defend the comics. I don't even like them. And it makes me terribly, terribly sad. I didn't think it was *possible* to not care about Buffy.

But this is the same writer who wrote the show. Still it's interesting that when you describe the Buffy you loved it's in terms of her boyfriends, with Angel , with Riley, with Spike and it's true she could be read as the heroine of a romance, twisted and often dysfunctional but still a romance. So maybe part of the difference is that in the comics she's so far not interpretable as that class of heroine, however hard you try. Like I remember people discussing endlessly what it meant that she missed the sex in the first issue when that was the very last thing on a list that started with her mother.

But this is the same writer who wrote the show.
I know! So why doesn't it feel or look like the show? Why is Buffy just a blonde girl that I don't really know? I feel like Cordy waking up in 'You're Welcome' and the whole world having gone topsy-turvy, except no-one's explaining *why*! Or how long I've been in a coma.

And re. Buffy, then I was just trying to point out that it wasn't just her attachment to Spike that I was interested in. I like her being single, because that was something we saw very little of, and think it could be interesting. (And the list was - according to herself - 'non-linear'. I'm pretty sure churros would be at the bottom of the list.)

None of it would bother me in the slightest, if it wasn't for Joss' insistence on it being 'canon'. And if I'm supposed to take this as carrying as much weight, and being the same thing as my show, then it better try a LOT harder. (I mean, apparently he can't even *remember* his own canon.)

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