::eyeroll::

[elisi]

Spoilery preview of S8 issue 4.

Dude! Amy *saved* Warren before Willow killed him? WTF? Apart from all the enormous issues it raises (what about The First? How did Willow not *notice* that she wasn't the one killing him (/making him disappear)? What about Willow's whole S7 arc? What does Amy see in a misogynist pig who kills girls for fun? Etc. etc.), then there is this (which has been bothering me since Amy was first revealed): How come they didn't get out of Sunnydale before the apocalypse? Even ordinary people could feel that something bad was coming and left town, so surely a smart girl like Amy would get the hell out before the whole place collapsed?

It doesn't make sense!!!! Did working on Wonder Woman break something vital in Joss' brain? I know he never cared all that much about 'how things worked', bending the rules so he could get to the emotional part, but this is... *throws hands up*

Thank the powers above that this never made it to the screen!

Comments

[elisi]

I'm slightly puzzled, as we are in complete agreement as far as I can tell. My point was the the s8 retcon of Warren being zapped away by Amy was ridiculous as Willow clearly wanted him DEAD. So to suggest (as Joss did in s8) that she'd not realise he'd been disappeared at the moment she was killing him is ridiculous.

*stabs s8 a few more times*

(Your argument is with aycheb, not me. And as she has her own interpretation of events I'd suggest just leaving it alone. Sometimes it's best to agree to disagree...)

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

Actually I was attempting to defend your argument - I agree with you entirely, just bringing up a point I hadn't seen. I'm sorry that came off wrong, my mistake. I'm in 100% agreement with your assessment on all of this.

*crawls back under the rock whence she came*

[elisi]

Oh don't worry. I'd just come back from work, I'm surprised my brain was capable of making me type...

(And I am thrilled that you're reading old posts, btw. <3)

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

Oh indeed, I've got several of your posts in my bookmarks; they are some of my favorite Buffyverse metas. And since I'm new to fandom I'm sort of playing catch up and nearly all the most interesting meta still online was written 2002-2010. Sometimes I jump into old threads anyway, if I see that the person (like yourself) is still somehow active in fandom.

[elisi]

Oh indeed, I've got several of your posts in my bookmarks; they are some of my favorite Buffyverse metas.
♥

And since I'm new to fandom I'm sort of playing catch up and nearly all the most interesting meta still online was written 2002-2010.
Well, some is still being written, but yes - it's a lot quieter.

Sometimes I jump into old threads anyway, if I see that the person (like yourself) is still somehow active in fandom.
I'm always happy to chat, so by all means comment! Buffy was the fandom that taught me everything, so it's always a pleasure to go back!

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

I've just done a post of top five metas for 2012 on buffyverse top 5 and I want to do one or two more; plus No Rest For the Wicked has a catagory for meta awards (my dopplegangers meta was nominated and I'd had no idea that anyone had awards for metas in this fandom). Metas are how I got into this fandom, even though I read tons of fics too.

I think fans like you, angearia, and gabrielleabelle provided places where fans could really hang out and a nucleus of interaction (and Buffy-love, 'cause Buffy's my BDH, haters step to the side.) So if there's a perception that there's not as much activity I think it's more to do with that. People underestimate how important meta conversations have been, I think, as opposed to reading fic and saying "that's nice, love this!" Just a theory at any rate.

[elisi]

my dopplegangers meta was nominated
Congratulations! :D

I think fans like you, angearia, and gabrielleabelle provided places where fans could really hang out and a nucleus of interaction (and Buffy-love, 'cause Buffy's my BDH, haters step to the side.)
... Yes and no. That is - both angaria and gabrielleabelle were latecomers (even later than I, I only got my LJ in 2004). Back when I first found fandom it was a whole different group that was the centre - although yes, meta had a lot to do with it. The discussions were amazing. fer1213 for example would have mad posts where everyone would chat endlessly, the_royal_anna would post metas so amazing everyone just flailed, nautibitz wrote smut that set the bar very, very high, awmp and crackers4jenn and amavel_bel (and about a million more) posted drop-dead gorgeous icons, bogwitch wrote fabulous Illyria-stuff, frimfram wrote fic so good it made other people want to tear up their work, romanyg and kita0610 and lynnenne wrote (S/A) slash that still is the benchmark (not to mention all the other fic writers - I'm not even going to try), sdwolfpup and heresluck and sockkpuppett and vrya and yhlee made the most amazing vids...

OK, now you've got me wallowing in nostalgia like nobody's business. And this is just a little snapshot.

Those were the days. *deeeeeeeeep sigh* I feel hugely privileged to have been there.

ETA: As for the Spike-centric part of fandom, then check out the members list of summer_of_spike, for Spuffy try lateseasonlove (which I set up along with lillianmorgan who was my BFF and whom I still miss, we used to talk EVERY DAY and another friend who's also left - where was I? Oh yes, we set up it as a safe haven for those who liked the later seasons as fandom could be a toxic place). Mind you, the Spike/Spuffy-parts were just a particular slice, not the whole story by far... So many people, all gone.