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A few actual thoughts on Infinity War
First of all - I hope my previous post didn't create the impression that I didn't like the film! It was just a bit like sitting through a whole season of TV, crammed into 2 1/2 hours... No space to breathe.
Way back when the trailers came out I wrote a post. My short take is... that's essentially correct, and that shot of Tony is by far the most affecting in the whole film. ♥
Slightly longer take:
PLOT
- First of all, kudos to the film makers, 'cause the story was easy to follow, even with the ridiculously large cast, which was nice for someone like me who's only seen about half the movies in the franchise so far (f.ex. I've not watched Civil War or Ragnarok).
- Thanos' plan... *hands* Well, it was the same theory as the baddies in Kingsman, although at least that film had the decency to show how all the rich people were orchestrating it and protecting themselves. The idea that killing half the people will AUTOMATICALLY create a better world, without doing a single thing to tackle issues like structural inequality is... I don't have words. I can overlook the inherent silliness of magic stones, since y'know, it's all about superheroes and based on comic books, but Thanos' motivation/hypothesis is difficult to see beyond. (Of course Endgame might show the folly of the whole thing, and I hope so.) ETA: I think the main issue is that our current problems are the destruction of the environment, rising inequality and the re-emergence of fascism. (Plus, y'know, the war in Yemen, the persecution of minorities etc etc) This felt like pure fantasy, without any metaphors as such.
ETA2: Important clarification via![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
jerusha: I think the important thing to remember about Thanos is that he likes killing people. I'm pretty sure he's an unreliable narrator in what his motivations are. I mean, he basically worships death in the comics. Literally, he kills half the universe to prove his love for Death (the personification).
That makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE. Thank you comics.
- As a comparison [on how to do it right] please see Watchmen. Ozymandias >>>>>>>>>> Thanos
CHARACTERS
So, the 13 y.o. and I were in perfect agreement as to who our favourites were!
- Tony Stark (always)
- Spiderman. I had not seen this new one before and MY GOODNESS BUT HE IS THE CUTEST THING EVER! ♥ Also his relationship with Tony is beyond adorable and the whole film could have been those two and I'd have been happy. Tony's little knighting gestures - 'You're an Avenger now' - and generally their whole vibe was MILES AND MILES above ANY other relationship in the whole film. (The romantic relationships included.) It was the only genuinely sad death - I knew that screenshot would turn out to be heart breaking. (We shall now have to watch Homecoming, as well as the animated one, which I wanted to watch anyway.)
- Bruce Banner. He is just such a dear and I want to hug him. (He didn't do much at all, except try to get the Hulk to come out, and failing, but every time he was on screen I was just happy.)
- Thor. Pairing him up with 'the rabbit' & Groot was an INSPIRED choice. Plus his part of the plot (creating a new Hammer etc) was great, as was the moment when he turned up in the middle of the battle. A+, Norse god FTW!
Other characters
- Loki. I think I had an inkling that he might bite the dust (people were VERY UPSET), but didn't realise it'd be so soon. I like Loki, and he's always very entertaining, so thought that it was a bit of a waste, but sort of forgot about him, and he was a great way to fuel Thor's vengeance. (Compare & contrast with the moment when Thanos ran Tony through. Tony is the only one I can't lose; which probably means that he'll bite in the next one.)
- Dr Strange. Hadn't seen his film, but his powers are very nifty.
- The Cap. I literally didn't recognise him. The beard made me think of bearded Action Man and Hank Scorpio from the Simpsons. It's not a bad look, I was just thrown.
Oh goodness, there were so many. IDK. I'm glad Okoye survived. But the ending was basically this:
I was literally hearing that tune in my head. (OK, so only HALF the people are dead, but.)
I might come back & add more to this, but for now my mind is blank. Or actually, just talk to me. :)
Way back when the trailers came out I wrote a post. My short take is... that's essentially correct, and that shot of Tony is by far the most affecting in the whole film. ♥
Slightly longer take:
PLOT
- First of all, kudos to the film makers, 'cause the story was easy to follow, even with the ridiculously large cast, which was nice for someone like me who's only seen about half the movies in the franchise so far (f.ex. I've not watched Civil War or Ragnarok).
- Thanos' plan... *hands* Well, it was the same theory as the baddies in Kingsman, although at least that film had the decency to show how all the rich people were orchestrating it and protecting themselves. The idea that killing half the people will AUTOMATICALLY create a better world, without doing a single thing to tackle issues like structural inequality is... I don't have words. I can overlook the inherent silliness of magic stones, since y'know, it's all about superheroes and based on comic books, but Thanos' motivation/hypothesis is difficult to see beyond. (Of course Endgame might show the folly of the whole thing, and I hope so.) ETA: I think the main issue is that our current problems are the destruction of the environment, rising inequality and the re-emergence of fascism. (Plus, y'know, the war in Yemen, the persecution of minorities etc etc) This felt like pure fantasy, without any metaphors as such.
ETA2: Important clarification via
jerusha: I think the important thing to remember about Thanos is that he likes killing people. I'm pretty sure he's an unreliable narrator in what his motivations are. I mean, he basically worships death in the comics. Literally, he kills half the universe to prove his love for Death (the personification).That makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE. Thank you comics.
- As a comparison [on how to do it right] please see Watchmen. Ozymandias >>>>>>>>>> Thanos
CHARACTERS
So, the 13 y.o. and I were in perfect agreement as to who our favourites were!
- Tony Stark (always)
- Spiderman. I had not seen this new one before and MY GOODNESS BUT HE IS THE CUTEST THING EVER! ♥ Also his relationship with Tony is beyond adorable and the whole film could have been those two and I'd have been happy. Tony's little knighting gestures - 'You're an Avenger now' - and generally their whole vibe was MILES AND MILES above ANY other relationship in the whole film. (The romantic relationships included.) It was the only genuinely sad death - I knew that screenshot would turn out to be heart breaking. (We shall now have to watch Homecoming, as well as the animated one, which I wanted to watch anyway.)
- Bruce Banner. He is just such a dear and I want to hug him. (He didn't do much at all, except try to get the Hulk to come out, and failing, but every time he was on screen I was just happy.)
- Thor. Pairing him up with 'the rabbit' & Groot was an INSPIRED choice. Plus his part of the plot (creating a new Hammer etc) was great, as was the moment when he turned up in the middle of the battle. A+, Norse god FTW!
Other characters
- Loki. I think I had an inkling that he might bite the dust (people were VERY UPSET), but didn't realise it'd be so soon. I like Loki, and he's always very entertaining, so thought that it was a bit of a waste, but sort of forgot about him, and he was a great way to fuel Thor's vengeance. (Compare & contrast with the moment when Thanos ran Tony through. Tony is the only one I can't lose; which probably means that he'll bite in the next one.)
- Dr Strange. Hadn't seen his film, but his powers are very nifty.
- The Cap. I literally didn't recognise him. The beard made me think of bearded Action Man and Hank Scorpio from the Simpsons. It's not a bad look, I was just thrown.
Oh goodness, there were so many. IDK. I'm glad Okoye survived. But the ending was basically this:
I was literally hearing that tune in my head. (OK, so only HALF the people are dead, but.)
I might come back & add more to this, but for now my mind is blank. Or actually, just talk to me. :)
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Yes, I've heard that the second does a lot more.
*ROFL* They ain't wrong. XD
I think that was my favourite moniker out of all of them. :D
Oh, I totally agree. Without Paul Rudd's immense charm, that film would fall flat. But then I have a friend who couldn't really stand the first Ant Man film and ended up loving the second.
I haven't seen the 2nd one, so can't comment, although I can't accept anyone not loving the fight scene on the train tracks. That is just absolute gold! (Not surprising considering the writer though.)
Probably. If you don't sympathise with him, it would be kind of hard to get through the film.
The first scene where we see adult Peter (hung over, not remembering the name of the girl he'd shacked up with for the night) my whole brain just went NOPE. I had seen that stereotype so many times before I refused to engage. :(
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Oh yes, poor Bureet. I'm convinced she picked up Yondu's call just to get back at Peter because he really obviously did not want to answer it. Hey, at least she survived to find someone much more mature! She got out relatively unscathed!
I haven't seen the 2nd one, so can't comment, although I can't accept anyone not loving the fight scene on the train tracks. That is just absolute gold!
She does admit the train fight is good. The second Ant Man film has a lot more about family dynamics.
I love Strange's very visible *deep sigh*, this is how you make fun of Thor not being from Earth
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I am amazed all these characters have names and stories. You go girls! I am considerably more pleased with the writers now. :)
She does admit the train fight is good.
Oh good.
The second Ant Man film has a lot more about family dynamics.
That sounds a good thing. I shall check it out when it comes my way! :)
I love Strange's very visible *deep sigh*, this is how you make fun of Thor not being from Earth
I need to watch Ragnarok...
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That sounds a good thing. I shall check it out when it comes my way! :)
More Cassie, more Hope/Hank interaction, lashings of Paul Rudd charm.
I need to watch Ragnarok...
I think its sense of humour would definitely appeal to you.
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Excellent!
More Cassie, more Hope/Hank interaction, lashings of Paul Rudd charm.
Yeah, it's that last one that I'm here for...
I think its sense of humour would definitely appeal to you.
From what I have seen? Yes, definitely. :)