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Finally got to Revelations & Lover's Walk.

Revelations
Suffice to say, the girls are not taken with Buffy/Angel, or Buffy's twee outfits. They like Faith, but Faith hasn't really *done* much yet. They were all eagerly hoping for Gwendoline Post to die and cheered when they found out she was actually evil. They HATE the Willow/Xander subplot.

What struck ME on this re-watch, is how very VERY hostile Buffy's friends are. There is this thing in fandom where people think that Angel just gets let off the hook for everything, whereas Spike gets blamed for stuff, even after the soul, but I think that is very much a fandom perception, or viewpoint. The CHARACTERS very much blame Angel, and don't seem to make much of a distinction:

Buffy: (looks up at Willow) It's not what you think.
Xander: Hope not. Because I think you're harboring a vicious killer.
[...]
Giles: (interrupts) Be quiet. (slowly turns to face her) (sternly) I won't remind you that the fate of the world often lies with the Slayer. What would be the point? Nor shall I remind you that you've jeopardized the lives of all that you hold dear by harboring a known murderer. But sadly, I must remind you that Angel tortured me... for hours... for pleasure. You should have told me he was alive. You didn't. You have no respect for me, or the job I perform.


And then Xander recruits Faith to kill Angel... (And never apologises for any of it. Xander being a dick is hitting me a lot harder this time round.)

To be honest, Spike probably has an easier ride in S7 (OK, insane and living in the high school basement and it takes a few weeks before Buffy decides to properly look after him), but everyone is a lot older and a lot more aware of their own failings. Also they know Spike a lot better than they ever knew Angel, and he hasn't killed any of them.


Lover's Walk
Since Revelations didn't do much for them, I had to just TELL them that this one would be worthwhile... And so it proved to be. They loved drunk, love-lorn Spike (Darcy declared Spike the only redeeming feature of the show, which... I'll take it.), loved all the comedy and loved his speech best of all probably. (Love's bitch wins again!)

Also, my other half is rather savage. Prime example:

Buffy (to Angel): What I want from you I can never have.
Darcy (drolly): Just get a cardboard cut-out, you won't notice any difference.

Almost best of all, then Cordelia's fall had them completely fooled and they were VERY upset at the show killing off such an awesome character... And then the camera pans from the funeral to Willow & Buffy talking about how Cordy is going to be OK, and they were v impressed. :D

I think that's all as my brain is rather frazzled. But this show is very very good and I love it. <3

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Date: 3 February 2019 07:49 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Scooby Hideout (BUF-ScoobyHideout-bubbles_girl778)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
Also they know Spike a lot better than they ever knew Angel, and he hasn't killed any of them.

Yes, I think that the way Buffy treated Angel and everyone else dealt with him (after Angelus' betrayals) was quite different. And I agree, Angel does not make himself easily known by anyone (including Buffy). I suspect this is at least partly behind Darcy's comment, since if a character insists on being mysterious after a while they are simply undeveloped and boring. The other part is that Boreanaz has never been a strong actor and didn't even really become any good until he was on his own series.

By comparison while one may or may not like Spike he is hardly short of personality or opinions. And yes, he was both on the show longer and working with the Scoobies more extensively. For example between S1 and S2 Buffy is absent but one assumes Angel has had no contact with them either -- which is rather different from S5 to S6 in particular.

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Date: 3 February 2019 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beer_good_foamy
Almost best of all, then Cordelia's fall had them completely fooled and they were VERY upset at the show killing off such an awesome character... And then the camera pans from the funeral to Willow & Buffy talking about how Cordy is going to be OK, and they were v impressed. :D

Yessss. I love how that scene always tricks the newbies.

Darcy (drolly): Just get a cardboard cut-out, you won't notice any difference.

Maybe I should finish that fic of Buffy and Faith roleplaying the torture scene from "Enemies" in front of a cardboard Angel.

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Date: 4 February 2019 01:33 am (UTC)
rebcake: Tara, Willow, and Oz (btvs ot3)
From: [personal profile] rebcake
Yessssssssssssss.

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Date: 4 February 2019 01:41 am (UTC)
rebcake: Buffy, pretty slayer (btvs buffy slayer)
From: [personal profile] rebcake
Rewatch with the fam is so rewarding. We've suddenly got a 13-year-old living with us, and we're bonding like whoa over the nightly Buffy rewatch. We're up to "The Body". Fingers crossed. She's having all the right reactions, which is very satisfying. Although she does seem to give Xander way more of a pass than I do...but it's fun talking about the few places about which we have minor disagreements. I was very afraid that she was going to be Team Angel, but now that he's off on his own show she doesn't seem to miss him much. Whew! (I think Darcy has a point.)

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Date: 4 February 2019 04:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] orangerful
I noticed the hostility from the Scoobies in my rewatch too, it really bothered me. But Buffy didn't share a lot with them and there was all the baggage of her ditching and leaving them to protect Sunnydale...S3 is rough.

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Date: 5 February 2019 04:11 pm (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Default)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
What struck ME on this re-watch, is how very VERY hostile Buffy's friends are.

The more often I rewatch the show, the more convinced I am of the fact that Buffy has terrible friends. They always blame her for pretty much everything, as if she had chosen to be a Slayer.

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Date: 5 February 2019 10:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] orangerful
YES, that is a good summary of the season lol.

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