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The very slow Buffy re-watch
Finally got to Revelations & Lover's Walk.
Revelations
Suffice to say, the girls are not taken with Buffy/Angel, or Buffy's twee outfits. They like Faith, but Faith hasn't really *done* much yet. They were all eagerly hoping for Gwendoline Post to die and cheered when they found out she was actually evil. They HATE the Willow/Xander subplot.
What struck ME on this re-watch, is how very VERY hostile Buffy's friends are. There is this thing in fandom where people think that Angel just gets let off the hook for everything, whereas Spike gets blamed for stuff, even after the soul, but I think that is very much a fandom perception, or viewpoint. The CHARACTERS very much blame Angel, and don't seem to make much of a distinction:
Buffy: (looks up at Willow) It's not what you think.
Xander: Hope not. Because I think you're harboring a vicious killer.
[...]
Giles: (interrupts) Be quiet. (slowly turns to face her) (sternly) I won't remind you that the fate of the world often lies with the Slayer. What would be the point? Nor shall I remind you that you've jeopardized the lives of all that you hold dear by harboring a known murderer. But sadly, I must remind you that Angel tortured me... for hours... for pleasure. You should have told me he was alive. You didn't. You have no respect for me, or the job I perform.
And then Xander recruits Faith to kill Angel... (And never apologises for any of it. Xander being a dick is hitting me a lot harder this time round.)
To be honest, Spike probably has an easier ride in S7 (OK, insane and living in the high school basement and it takes a few weeks before Buffy decides to properly look after him), but everyone is a lot older and a lot more aware of their own failings. Also they know Spike a lot better than they ever knew Angel, and he hasn't killed any of them.
Lover's Walk
Since Revelations didn't do much for them, I had to just TELL them that this one would be worthwhile... And so it proved to be. They loved drunk, love-lorn Spike (Darcy declared Spike the only redeeming feature of the show, which... I'll take it.), loved all the comedy and loved his speech best of all probably. (Love's bitch wins again!)
Also, my other half is rather savage. Prime example:
Buffy (to Angel): What I want from you I can never have.
Darcy (drolly): Just get a cardboard cut-out, you won't notice any difference.
Almost best of all, then Cordelia's fall had them completely fooled and they were VERY upset at the show killing off such an awesome character... And then the camera pans from the funeral to Willow & Buffy talking about how Cordy is going to be OK, and they were v impressed. :D
I think that's all as my brain is rather frazzled. But this show is very very good and I love it. <3
Revelations
Suffice to say, the girls are not taken with Buffy/Angel, or Buffy's twee outfits. They like Faith, but Faith hasn't really *done* much yet. They were all eagerly hoping for Gwendoline Post to die and cheered when they found out she was actually evil. They HATE the Willow/Xander subplot.
What struck ME on this re-watch, is how very VERY hostile Buffy's friends are. There is this thing in fandom where people think that Angel just gets let off the hook for everything, whereas Spike gets blamed for stuff, even after the soul, but I think that is very much a fandom perception, or viewpoint. The CHARACTERS very much blame Angel, and don't seem to make much of a distinction:
Buffy: (looks up at Willow) It's not what you think.
Xander: Hope not. Because I think you're harboring a vicious killer.
[...]
Giles: (interrupts) Be quiet. (slowly turns to face her) (sternly) I won't remind you that the fate of the world often lies with the Slayer. What would be the point? Nor shall I remind you that you've jeopardized the lives of all that you hold dear by harboring a known murderer. But sadly, I must remind you that Angel tortured me... for hours... for pleasure. You should have told me he was alive. You didn't. You have no respect for me, or the job I perform.
And then Xander recruits Faith to kill Angel... (And never apologises for any of it. Xander being a dick is hitting me a lot harder this time round.)
To be honest, Spike probably has an easier ride in S7 (OK, insane and living in the high school basement and it takes a few weeks before Buffy decides to properly look after him), but everyone is a lot older and a lot more aware of their own failings. Also they know Spike a lot better than they ever knew Angel, and he hasn't killed any of them.
Lover's Walk
Since Revelations didn't do much for them, I had to just TELL them that this one would be worthwhile... And so it proved to be. They loved drunk, love-lorn Spike (Darcy declared Spike the only redeeming feature of the show, which... I'll take it.), loved all the comedy and loved his speech best of all probably. (Love's bitch wins again!)
Also, my other half is rather savage. Prime example:
Buffy (to Angel): What I want from you I can never have.
Darcy (drolly): Just get a cardboard cut-out, you won't notice any difference.
Almost best of all, then Cordelia's fall had them completely fooled and they were VERY upset at the show killing off such an awesome character... And then the camera pans from the funeral to Willow & Buffy talking about how Cordy is going to be OK, and they were v impressed. :D
I think that's all as my brain is rather frazzled. But this show is very very good and I love it. <3
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That's an excellent way of bonding!
We're up to "The Body". Fingers crossed.
Good luck with that... It's a hard one.
She's having all the right reactions, which is very satisfying.
Hurrah. (And yes, very satisfying!)
Although she does seem to give Xander way more of a pass than I do...but it's fun talking about the few places about which we have minor disagreements.
Yes, it can spark good debate, and there is a sense in which Xander is just very unfiltered.
I was very afraid that she was going to be Team Angel, but now that he's off on his own show she doesn't seem to miss him much. Whew! (I think Darcy has a point.)
Well, it's very understandable why Buffy falls for him, but... (I love that AtS makes fun of Angel.)
Fred: "So - now that she's alive again, are they gonna get back together? Angel and that girl with the goofy name?"
Wes: "Well - *Fred* - that's a difficult question. I think it's fair to say - no. Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also 'nuh-uh.'"
Fred: "But you said he loved her. And of course she's gonna love him back, because he's so strong and handsome and he really listens when you talk. I-I mean, if you go for that sort of thing, why wouldn't it work?"
Cordy: "Let me break it down for you, Fred."
Cordy steps away from the reception counter and pretends to be Buffy.
Cordy: "Oh - Angel! I know that I'm a Slayer and you a vampire - and it would be *impossible* for us to *be* together - *but!*"
Gunn laughs at Cordy's act.
Wes stands up: "But!"
Cordy turns to look at him. Wes pulls his glasses off and lays them to the side.
Wes: "My gypsy curse sometimes prevent me from seeing the truth. Oh, Buffy!"
Cordy: "Yes, Angel?"
Wes: "Oh, I love you so much I almost forgot to *brood!*"
Fred watches wide-eyed. Gunn is laughing.
Cordy: "And just because I sent you to hell that one time doesn't mean that we can't just be friends."
Wes grabs a hold of Cordy's wrist.
Cordy: "Oh!"
Wes: "Or possibly more."
Cordy gasps: "Gasp! No! We mustn't."
Wes pulls Cordy close.
Wes: "Kiss me."
Cordy: "Bite me!"
Wes bends Cordy back over his arm and pretends to sink his fangs into her neck.
Angel off screen: "How about you both bite me."