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So, I am trying to write up my thoughts on S11 (because apparently I need to write them down in order to get them out of my system) and some parts make me cross and some are just annoying and some are just... less than what I hoped for (even with having low expectations).

And I really don't like being negative, so - if you feel so inclined - please share your favourite Thirteen stuff with me? Like, anything. Your favourite scene, or exchange, art work, vids, fic, cosplay, a news story about how Thirteen & Team TARDIS made a difference to someone... Just anything.

Because I want to remember how I felt right at the beginning when everything was exciting and happy.

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Date: 20 January 2019 06:05 pm (UTC)
purplefringe: Amelie (Default)
From: [personal profile] purplefringe
I am looking forward to your thoughts! In part because I ALWAYS look forward to your thoughts, and in part because I think we, on the whole, felt pretty similarly about lots of things this season. And I am glad you asked for positive recs, because I think that is a GREAT and wonderful way to approach this whole thing, and I wish more people would do :)

I would second Promethia's list, and specifically the screwdriver-making (and the way that was paralleled by the Dalek in the NY ep) and that scene in ep2 where she first goes in the TARDIS. That's the only ep I've seen twice, and I cried BOTH TIMES watching that scene.

I would also say that for all my reservations about this season, it has brought SO MANY of my former-DW-loving friends back to the show. People who dropped out during the Clara years, or during S6, or even way back during Ten's final angst-fest - so many of them have come back and are loving Thirteen, in all her weirdness and hopefulness, and that brings me joy.

I also think you really nailed something very interesting about Thirteen and this season when you made that post early on about Twelve living and dying on a battlefield, and Thirteen as a result just concentrating on small-scale victories - I think that's a great lens through which to watch the series, and makes a lot of sense of things.

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Date: 21 January 2019 01:14 am (UTC)
deird1: Rose, with text "I am the Bad Wolf" (Rose bad wolf)
From: [personal profile] deird1
People who dropped out during the Clara years, or during S6, or even way back during Ten's final angst-fest - so many of them have come back and are loving Thirteen, in all her weirdness and hopefulness, and that brings me joy.

*raises hand* I was a S6 dropout. Now I'm back – and enjoying the non-epicness.

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Date: 22 January 2019 01:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deird1
To properly explain this, I'm going to have to spend a couple of paragraphs bitching about Moffat. Apologies.

I joined the fandom during Nine's season. It was fun, hectic, and snarky. I loved how it would dip into a random situation, and they'd run around doing things until the chaos suddenly stopped and back to the Tardis they'd go.

My first problem with the show was because of Ten's increasingly angsty staring. I loved Ten, but angst has never been my thing (the only shows I've seen do it well were Buffy and Farscape).

Then... came season 6. In which:
a) everything in the universe revolved around the Doctor
b) all the characters revolved around the Doctor
c) everything was EPIC
d) everything was all linked up with everything else
e) angst angst angst angst angst

I noped out of there mid-season, mainly due to River being so central to the show. (And I liked River. Which is to say that I liked awesome archeologist who has adventures and occasionally meets the Doctor mid-adventure River.)

This new season is refreshingly non-epic. The Doctor is back to experiencing life and interacting with what's right in front of her, rather than Doing Epic Things And Altering The Course Of History. (I loved, in Father's Day, Nine's comment about the ordinary life of the bride and groom. He wanted to run around the universe experiencing ordinary life, and I liked that.)

The Doctor herself is also refreshingly down to earth, and practical. (And she welded herself a new screwdriver! Gotta love a gal with a welding torch.) She worries about her companions, and the situations she ends up in – but she doesn't ANGST about them. Which is nice. (Compare Ten's "sorry"s to Thirteen's. Ten puts his entire heart, and his entire intense gaze, into the most angsty sorry you've ever heard in your life. Thirteen looks a bit apologetic and gives a bashful "sorry" before running off for more of the adventure.)

There's also the companions. And the fact that:
a) none of them are in love with her
b) none of them have made dramatic speeches about how important she is
c) all of them are capable of telling her off
d) they'd all have perfectly reasonable lives if they ever stopped travelling with her and went back home

We are not quite up to the calibre of Nine's season yet. But we are, once again, focusing on fun, hectic, and snarky adventures with lots of running. Which is lovely.
Edited Date: 22 January 2019 01:19 am (UTC)

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Date: 22 January 2019 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deird1
Although I wonder if you might like S10. It's mostly quite quiet and Bill is just... Bill. ♥ And at that point the Twelfth Doctor is just old and kind and semi-retired and dammit, now I want to watch it again. It's SO GOOD.

I believe you're right. I've tracked down a couple of Bill clips on YouTube, and they seem quite fun. The only reason I haven't watched that season so far is because I think I'd need to know the backstory of the previous few seasons... and I don't wanna.

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Date: 23 January 2019 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] purplefringe
I'd love to know what kind of vid you feel like making
Ha, I would love to know that too! I haven't made any vids in FOREVER, primarily for technical reasons :( I was eventually forced, after putting it off for ages, to upgrade my computer's OS and now Final Cut Express no longer works. I'm trying to learn how to use Final Cut Pro, but it's HARD and I DON'T LIKE IT. *grump* But I think I would have much more motivation to figure out how to use it if I had a vid I had a *burning desire* to make! But I...don't? Which makes me sad, as I've made a vid per season for the last 4 seasons of DW and I would like to continue. But yeah, like you, beyond celebrating 'Yay, female Doctor!' I don't really have a strong idea of what angle to take...

I think that's my least favourite of them all. Well, finding the TARDIS at the end is beautiful, but the rest never worked for me.
I didn't rewatch it because it's my favourite, don't worry! I watched it when it aired, and then I was with some friends a few days later and they hadn't seen it yet, so I watched it with them. I think most of the ep is fine (beautifully filmed, kind of a meh linear plot) but that TARDIS scene is glorious.

Inevitably your favorite character become the Doctor and your favorite Doctor becomes the Doctor
YEP. We've talked about this before. :) I think one thing that has struck me this season is the relative passivity of the companions...as in, we've had a LOT of time on Ryan/Graham's relationship and feelings, and we've had a lot of moments where the Doctor actively claims them all as her fam/team/gang, etc (most notably in the NYD ep, when she says that the Earth is not just protected by her, but by her AND her friends, which is an evolution on previous Doctors) - and YET there have not been a huge number of moments when I've felt the companions have been instrumental in the action? Perhaps I'm just not remembering stuff, as I have only seen most eps once, and perhaps it's because a lot of the things they have done have been really small (no big dramatic saving-the-Doctor's life-moments) but it's something I've been thinking about. And perhaps that's a good thing, in some ways, for all that I struggle with it? It reinforces the idea that ANYONE can travel with the Doctor, not just people who are extraordinary in some obvious way, and it's also a way of showing that you can travel with the Doctor and still remain 'yourself', or the best version of 'yourself' - you don't have to *become* like the Doctor. Anyway. Unformed thoughts are unformed.

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