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So, I am trying to write up my thoughts on S11 (because apparently I need to write them down in order to get them out of my system) and some parts make me cross and some are just annoying and some are just... less than what I hoped for (even with having low expectations).

And I really don't like being negative, so - if you feel so inclined - please share your favourite Thirteen stuff with me? Like, anything. Your favourite scene, or exchange, art work, vids, fic, cosplay, a news story about how Thirteen & Team TARDIS made a difference to someone... Just anything.

Because I want to remember how I felt right at the beginning when everything was exciting and happy.

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Date: 19 January 2019 10:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] el_staplador
I really liked the fact that Graham is a bus driver - and that this moved the plot forward a couple of times. It's a profession that doesn't seem to get much representation in media.

I was going to make a list of all the companions' occupations, all the way from 'teacher/teacher/student' to 'bus driver/police trainee/warehouse operative' and look at the class implications, but I never got round to it.

Also I thought 'Demons of the Punjab' was the most beautiful bit of television I've seen outside of a nature documentary.

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Date: 20 January 2019 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lyricwritesprose
I really liked the sheer Doctor Who-style craziness of a universe which is sapient and wants company and looks like a frog. There's just something delightful about that.

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Date: 20 January 2019 02:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
1) Jodie is still delightful and perfect casting. Her little scronch faces! The dramatic arm flail every time she scans something! Her quiet, concerned looks--I really love those.

2) Best opening credits for Doctor Who ever (and I feel qualified to say this now).

3) That time when the team all told not!Trump that the Doctor is in charge because 'says us.'

4) I think Ryan is a genuinely great character and my only complaint about him is that I want more.

5) Tinker-y, build-y Doctor!

6) The custard cream dispenser.

7) The pure Doctor/TARDIS shippiness that is The Ghost Monument.

8) That time the Doctor had a brief lesbian thing with a sentient frog universe.

9) That time the Doctor smashed a space racist's vortex manipular and let him try to choke her out. That was badass.

10) Her interpersonal skills and mindfulness are actually kind of amazing and really incredible character development. And yet she's still adorably awkward and without filters.

11) The cinematography is such a glow up, as the young people say these days.

12) I like the Sheffield setting--it feels very different from anything else we've gotten in New Who.

13) The occasional Guillermo del Toro-esque touches are a vein of weirdness we've not gotten much of before in Who but is kind of great.

14) Pting!

15) Most everything about the New Year's special was pretty darn great.

16) They tried to burn the Doctor as a witch. I needed that on a deep level I didn't realize before it happened.

17) The amazing sense of tension and dread the first time you watch Rosa.

18) Graham's cheese and pickle sandwich.

19) King James hitting on Ryan.

20) I actually want to rewatch at some point. Like, I am thinking about it right now and I am a bit looking forward to it.

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Date: 20 January 2019 05:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] copracat
Pretty much just want to second and third this.

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Date: 20 January 2019 08:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auroracloud
That's a great list!

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Date: 20 January 2019 06:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] purplefringe
I am looking forward to your thoughts! In part because I ALWAYS look forward to your thoughts, and in part because I think we, on the whole, felt pretty similarly about lots of things this season. And I am glad you asked for positive recs, because I think that is a GREAT and wonderful way to approach this whole thing, and I wish more people would do :)

I would second Promethia's list, and specifically the screwdriver-making (and the way that was paralleled by the Dalek in the NY ep) and that scene in ep2 where she first goes in the TARDIS. That's the only ep I've seen twice, and I cried BOTH TIMES watching that scene.

I would also say that for all my reservations about this season, it has brought SO MANY of my former-DW-loving friends back to the show. People who dropped out during the Clara years, or during S6, or even way back during Ten's final angst-fest - so many of them have come back and are loving Thirteen, in all her weirdness and hopefulness, and that brings me joy.

I also think you really nailed something very interesting about Thirteen and this season when you made that post early on about Twelve living and dying on a battlefield, and Thirteen as a result just concentrating on small-scale victories - I think that's a great lens through which to watch the series, and makes a lot of sense of things.

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Date: 21 January 2019 01:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deird1
People who dropped out during the Clara years, or during S6, or even way back during Ten's final angst-fest - so many of them have come back and are loving Thirteen, in all her weirdness and hopefulness, and that brings me joy.

*raises hand* I was a S6 dropout. Now I'm back – and enjoying the non-epicness.

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Date: 21 January 2019 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
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Date: 21 January 2019 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
Why thank you : )

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Date: 21 January 2019 08:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
You do good lists.
MMmm, true.

I hope you rewatch, because want to understand what it is that's bugging me (apart from Kerblam!). It's just not gelling for me. It's just *there* and it's fine, but if they changed the whole line-up tomorrow I'd... almost miss it. *shakes show*
Well, you asked for positivity, so that's what I've got! A collection of good bits. (Why do I have this icon? That is literally never me, lol. Anyway . . . )

I think the way watching Five has helped, even more than in any particular similarity between Five and Thirteen, is that there is some similarity there, and it took three seasons for Five to gel for me, even while those seasons contained so many of my favorite episodes I've seen in Classic Who so far. So . . . no, I don't think I have anything gel-like to say about Thirteen, but I am now more ok with that fact. (Also, to a lesser extent, I think we're all forgetting just how checked out we were for seasons eight and nine. Like, yes, I am definitely more checked out now, but it was pretty darn bad. I remembering finishing Dark Water/Death in Heaven and literally going, ummmm, so that was a thing, I guess.)

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Date: 22 January 2019 01:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deird1
To properly explain this, I'm going to have to spend a couple of paragraphs bitching about Moffat. Apologies.

I joined the fandom during Nine's season. It was fun, hectic, and snarky. I loved how it would dip into a random situation, and they'd run around doing things until the chaos suddenly stopped and back to the Tardis they'd go.

My first problem with the show was because of Ten's increasingly angsty staring. I loved Ten, but angst has never been my thing (the only shows I've seen do it well were Buffy and Farscape).

Then... came season 6. In which:
a) everything in the universe revolved around the Doctor
b) all the characters revolved around the Doctor
c) everything was EPIC
d) everything was all linked up with everything else
e) angst angst angst angst angst

I noped out of there mid-season, mainly due to River being so central to the show. (And I liked River. Which is to say that I liked awesome archeologist who has adventures and occasionally meets the Doctor mid-adventure River.)

This new season is refreshingly non-epic. The Doctor is back to experiencing life and interacting with what's right in front of her, rather than Doing Epic Things And Altering The Course Of History. (I loved, in Father's Day, Nine's comment about the ordinary life of the bride and groom. He wanted to run around the universe experiencing ordinary life, and I liked that.)

The Doctor herself is also refreshingly down to earth, and practical. (And she welded herself a new screwdriver! Gotta love a gal with a welding torch.) She worries about her companions, and the situations she ends up in – but she doesn't ANGST about them. Which is nice. (Compare Ten's "sorry"s to Thirteen's. Ten puts his entire heart, and his entire intense gaze, into the most angsty sorry you've ever heard in your life. Thirteen looks a bit apologetic and gives a bashful "sorry" before running off for more of the adventure.)

There's also the companions. And the fact that:
a) none of them are in love with her
b) none of them have made dramatic speeches about how important she is
c) all of them are capable of telling her off
d) they'd all have perfectly reasonable lives if they ever stopped travelling with her and went back home

We are not quite up to the calibre of Nine's season yet. But we are, once again, focusing on fun, hectic, and snarky adventures with lots of running. Which is lovely.
Edited Date: 22 January 2019 01:19 am (UTC)

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Date: 22 January 2019 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deird1
Although I wonder if you might like S10. It's mostly quite quiet and Bill is just... Bill. ♥ And at that point the Twelfth Doctor is just old and kind and semi-retired and dammit, now I want to watch it again. It's SO GOOD.

I believe you're right. I've tracked down a couple of Bill clips on YouTube, and they seem quite fun. The only reason I haven't watched that season so far is because I think I'd need to know the backstory of the previous few seasons... and I don't wanna.

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Date: 23 January 2019 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] purplefringe
I'd love to know what kind of vid you feel like making
Ha, I would love to know that too! I haven't made any vids in FOREVER, primarily for technical reasons :( I was eventually forced, after putting it off for ages, to upgrade my computer's OS and now Final Cut Express no longer works. I'm trying to learn how to use Final Cut Pro, but it's HARD and I DON'T LIKE IT. *grump* But I think I would have much more motivation to figure out how to use it if I had a vid I had a *burning desire* to make! But I...don't? Which makes me sad, as I've made a vid per season for the last 4 seasons of DW and I would like to continue. But yeah, like you, beyond celebrating 'Yay, female Doctor!' I don't really have a strong idea of what angle to take...

I think that's my least favourite of them all. Well, finding the TARDIS at the end is beautiful, but the rest never worked for me.
I didn't rewatch it because it's my favourite, don't worry! I watched it when it aired, and then I was with some friends a few days later and they hadn't seen it yet, so I watched it with them. I think most of the ep is fine (beautifully filmed, kind of a meh linear plot) but that TARDIS scene is glorious.

Inevitably your favorite character become the Doctor and your favorite Doctor becomes the Doctor
YEP. We've talked about this before. :) I think one thing that has struck me this season is the relative passivity of the companions...as in, we've had a LOT of time on Ryan/Graham's relationship and feelings, and we've had a lot of moments where the Doctor actively claims them all as her fam/team/gang, etc (most notably in the NYD ep, when she says that the Earth is not just protected by her, but by her AND her friends, which is an evolution on previous Doctors) - and YET there have not been a huge number of moments when I've felt the companions have been instrumental in the action? Perhaps I'm just not remembering stuff, as I have only seen most eps once, and perhaps it's because a lot of the things they have done have been really small (no big dramatic saving-the-Doctor's life-moments) but it's something I've been thinking about. And perhaps that's a good thing, in some ways, for all that I struggle with it? It reinforces the idea that ANYONE can travel with the Doctor, not just people who are extraordinary in some obvious way, and it's also a way of showing that you can travel with the Doctor and still remain 'yourself', or the best version of 'yourself' - you don't have to *become* like the Doctor. Anyway. Unformed thoughts are unformed.

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Date: 26 January 2019 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] idanceshandon
*ducks for unpopular opinion* I loved almost everything about this season. Many of the reasons have already been listed above, but the biggest for me is just that it felt *fun* again, in a way that it really hadn’t been for me since about the middle of Moffet’s run. I never stopped watching, but after Amy and Rory left it all just felt so heavy. I didn’t hate any of it (except the one with where the villain was the sleep in your eye - that one was crap) but I didn’t like any of it well enough to binge over and over the way I did with say, season 4. But I love:

Jodie’s Doctor. She’s brilliant in that she can be the smartest person in the room while realizing that she’s maybe not the cleverest person in the room. I love that she’s a maker, welding her screwdriver and fiddling with stuff until it does what she wants. I love that she’s not cynical AT ALL, after so many years of that being a fairly large part of the Doctor’s armor. I love her for reasons that I can’t think of right now.

I love the companions. All of them, even though we don’t have enough time with any of them. I love Yaz because she is sometimes the cleverest one in the room and the Doctor knows it, because she’s practical and calm in a crisis, and (real world reason rather than story reason) she is a positive representation of an ordinary (extraordinary) person who is Muslim and of Pakistani/Indian background and we just don’t see much of that in media. I love Ryan because he is the Rose Tyler of season 11 - Young, dead end job, kind of damaged (not physically because of his disability but emotionally because of his lack of relationship with his dad) whose life is broadened and changed by his time with the Doctor. And again I love the positive representation of a young Black man. It matters. And finally I love Graham. Totally love him. I love him because he reminds me of dad - hard working, blue collar, loves his wife passionately, wants to do the best for his family. I love that he shows multiple times across the season how smart he is, because in today’s world we don’t always appreciate the fact that blue collar workers can be just as smart as college educated white collar folks. I love that he loves Ryan, even when Ryan’s being kind of a jerk. I love that he loves Ryan both because Ryan is Grace’s and he loves Grace, and also just because Ryan is Ryan and worthy of love in his own right. Graham is just great.

I love the historical stories. I’m an American, so I of course learned about Rosa Parks and the civil rights movement in school, but if the partition of India was ever mentioned it’s been lost in the almost 30 years since my last history class in my first year of college.

I love Sheffield. I’m not sure if the episodes set there are meant to be love letters to it, but they make it look so beautiful. Also, I love the characters accents. I’ve seen a ton a criticism about them and I just don’t get it.

I get the criticisms that people have about the season. I do. There are stories that aren’t as strong as others. The resolution to the spider story didn’t make sense. The contemporary/future stories weren’t as strong in general as the historicals. The character arcs weren’t as well developed as I would have liked. Fridging Grace in the first episode and then using her death to propel the character arcs of the two male companions was both problematic from a feminist and racial perspective AND just plain mean because she was awesome and I wanted more of her. I know all of this. But I still love this season. A lot.

(Sorry for all the run-on sentences and general incoherence. But apparently I have Opinions.)

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Date: 26 January 2019 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] idanceshandon
Thank you for replying, and of course you may quote me! :)

It’s interesting that we all have such different reactions, but I love that we do!

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