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So, the day before yesterday Darcy & decided to watch The Winter Soldier (it was on Netflix, we hadn't seen it).
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
I'd taken a good deal in by fannish osmosis, so was expecting a bromance (well star-crossed in that Bucky was 'evil').
This proved incorrect.
The main friendship was Cap/Natasha (I love Natasha, so this was A-OK with me). But I had no idea that she was even in the film.
The secondary friendship was Cap/Falcon (Sam?). I sort of wish they'd done more with it, rather than The Falcon deciding to help out because... he could. He looked vaguely familiar, but didn't realise who he was until he put the wings on and I waved my hands around 'cause he had like a 3 second cameo in Antman.
As for Bucky, then... Well Darcy thought him way cooler than the Cap (all emo with his dark hair, and he had a cool arm too!) and I wish we'd gotten more of him? Like, it's his name on the film, but he's barely onscreen. And the Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in two blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashbacks. (This is of course where tropes are very handy, cause goodness knows male friendship is something so fundamental to stories generally that we can fill in the whole thing without knowing anything beyond the fact that they'd always be there for each other.) (I am sure the whole thing is beautifully fleshed out in the comics. But as a viewer, it felt a little... basic.)
Their actual interactions don't take much more than 5 minutes (maybe 10?) and most of those they spend fighting.
Sidebar: Who was the massively cool lady with the dark hair? Fury's right hand woman? Don't even know her name, she seemed more together & smarter than all the rest put together. Give her a film!
Plot... um. IDK. A thing. Stupidly ridiculous as these things always are, and I think I got the main gist, but mostly through knowing how these things work.
So is there more Bucky somewhere? Does Mr tortured & memory wiped & turned into a weapon get an actual story at some point?
Oh and it was fun to see how it built to Age of Ultron (which I have seen), with the twins at the end.
Mostly though, then this fantastically well-organised group of Nazis is just... too unreal? In the actual world, they're 'alt-right' keyboard 'warriors', not hyper-fit soldiers or massively scheming uber Bad Guys. (I mean, they do scheme, and cause a lot of damage, but it's just ugly and horrible and every day.) Give me Kylo Ren any day, he's more plausible than Hydra. The angry young radicalised white guy hung up on the past, who in another world would wear a MAGA hat and yell about the 2nd Amendment online.
Plus (BLACK PANTHER SPOILERS below)
Am I right in thinking that Shuri fixed Bucky?
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I haven't been on Tumblr in months... Might just go have a look!
That's because Sam occupies the space where a romance relationship would normally be. He and Steve have a connection, Steve opens up to him, Sam can see that Steve is feeling isolated and lonely so he opens up in turn. :)
Now that makes sense. Thank you. :) (Sidebar: WHY COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN A ROMANCE???)
The Steve/Bucky friendship is covered in the first CapAm film ("The First Avenger"), you get much more focus on their relationship there so there isn't much here.
I have watched about 20 minutes of that...
Maria Hill, you see her in the first Avengers film and I agree it would be nice to have a film about her but no such luck. She ends up going to work for Tony Stark at the end of this film after SHIELD is disbanded.
Ta. I knew I'd seen her before, and was sad that I couldn't remember her name.
He turns up again in the third CapAm film Civil War although I don't know if you necessarily get 'more' of him but it does go a little into what it was like to be brainwashed and tortured and used as a weapon.
Cool. One day I'll watch that...
Right, except this film was made in 2013 and came out in 2014, before the mainstream realised that the alt-right was actually a real threat to democracy. In fact, the film's twist of the nice-seeming older white man being behind it all feels all too prescient now, sadly.
To be fair to it, the bad guy was PAINFULLY OBVIOUS - not because of recent events, but because of how these things ALWAYS GO. Sort of plotting-by-numbers. Nothing wrong with it per se (it's that kinda film, no one is shocked at Bond villains either), but it was not a twist.
Yeah, Bucky ends up in Wakanda at the end of "Civil War" because of various stuff that happens in that movie and Shuri has to go in and fix all the things that Hydra messed up.
Super smart teenage girls to the rescue!
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Bisexual Steve Rogers is the Steve Rogers we deserve
Although the Russos did their best.
I have watched about 20 minutes of that...
It's a fun watch, it's fun spotting all the famous actors in secondary roles and also it's important for Steve's character.
Super smart teenage girls to the rescue!
Yup, in the time honoured tradition.
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<3 Ah well, one day...
It's a fun watch, it's fun spotting all the famous actors in secondary roles and also it's important for Steve's character.
Yeah, I'll get there. :)
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