Clara Theory.

[elisi]

Meta café time!

Well, it isn't really mine, it was first suggested by lyricwrites. Personally I go back and forth. It fits (fits very, very nicely), but many things make 4, not just 2 + 2. However, I shall let you make up your own minds.

(Also approx. half of the thoughts supplied by Promethia, although that does not mean she believes in the theory. She has her own prediction post here.)

Note: Please do NOT post spoilers!

Basic theory: Clara is a TARDIS.
Now, it's obvious that Clara is (or is becoming) a 'thing' of some sort. Possibly an egg. But a sentient thing. Just like a TARDIS... And as there is more than a hint of Gallifrey about her, she could be - if not family - then kindred.

My thoughts are as follows (and have evolved, as this reflects. But I'm too tired to edit everything):

- Names are the consequences of things
Her name. She is bright, she is god's power, and she is god's friend (notice that modern!Clara chooses to call herself Oswin, naming herself his friend). If you wanted to give the TARDIS a name that encapsulated her, you couldn't do much better than Clara Oswin Oswald.

- Like a cat
TARDIS-related characteristics:

- Clara practically has a chameleon circuit, blending in perfectly wherever or whenever she is.
- She is very protective of those in her care.
- Victorian!Clara (unlike anyone else, ever), declared that "It's smaller on the outside", and had tears in her eyes when the Doctor gave her a TARDIS key. Which was a very distinct echo of Amy crying in The Pandorica Opens & The Big Bang - crying because of something that was currently hidden.
- Victorian!Clara claimed to have been born behind the clock face of Big Ben ("Accounting for my acute sense of time") and to have invented fish ("Because I dislike swimming alone"). Not entirely sure what the latter could mean in this context. (People = fish, am stuck from then on.)
- The DNA shaped staircase leading up to the TARDIS.
- The TARDIS dislikes current!Clara, and (like Clara) is slow to trust. The reasons for this specific antipathy I will not even try to speculate on (the TARDIS exists across time and space, what can she see?). More interestingly, the TARDIS mirrored Clara, taking on her form.

Please add to this list.

- and explode into space (<- This fic is now required reading. Beware, it is creepy as hell.) So, will the Doctor have two blue boxes in the future? I... don't think so. What was the first thing we learned about Clara? How did she define herself? "I am Oswin Oswald. I fought the Daleks. And I AM... human. Remember me." Discovering that she had become a Dalek at first freaked her out, and then made her *refuse* to be something she did not want to be. I can easily imagine this being foreshadowing for later, with Clara clinging to her humanity rather than become an multi-dimensional being in a box.


- Chicken or egg
Related to the above point, is there one, original, Clara, who has been copied & had/will have a TARDIS crammed into her somehow (chicken), or is she a TARDIS that has been poured into a carefully designed template (egg)? Only time will tell, although I lean towards both. (With Moffat, it's always best to assume both. Especially if the options are more or less mutually exclusive.)


- "You cannot be upstairs, it's a one-storey building"
We have already had a story about the TARDIS being extracted from her box, and put into a girl. (And I believe there is a novel/Big Finish story about a TARDIS girl?) Anyway - what if someone was trying to do the opposite? Of course a human can't contain a TARDIS without burning up, so whoever-is-pulling-strings parcelled it out into many Claras throughout time & space. This fits with the ideas about all of her having to come together in order to fulfill her purpose/all the Claras being one Clara. Plus - and this is where I tend to get very flaily and hope this theory is correct - the Silence was trying to build a TARDIS!

The Impossible Astronaut (1969):


The Lodger (2010):


This plot point was thrown in twice, yet never touched on again. (Once in S5, once in S6.) As we saw, the proto-TARDIS was not doing well, as in 2010 it was futilely looking for a pilot in the most inane way. It needed *intelligence*. Consciousness. The heart of the TARDIS, after all, is a living mind. (/An eleventh-dimensional matrix folded into a mechanical. Could there be eleven Claras? To go with the eleven Doctors?) Anyway, Clara could certainly be the consciousness/pilot designed to go with the box. And we have now seen Clara 'pilot' the TARDIS through sheer determination...

Now if we look at The Lodger, here's what is said about 'the pilot':

HOLOGRAM:
The ship has crashed. The crew are dead. A pilot is required.

DOCTOR:
You're the emergency crash program. A hologram. You've been luring people up here so you can try them out.

The DOCTOR uses the sonic screwdriver and the hologram changes to that of the little girl, a younger man, then back to the old man.

HOLOGRAM:
You will help me, you will help me, you will help me.

DOCTOR:
Hush! Human brains aren't strong enough, they just burn. You're stupid, aren’t you? You just keep trying.

HOLOGRAM:
17 people have been tried. 6,000,400,026 remain.

[...]

HOLOGRAM:
The correct pilot has now been found.

DOCTOR:
Yes, I was worried you'd say that.

[...]

AMY:
Could you fly the ship safely?

DOCTOR:
No, I'm way too much for this ship. My hand touches that panel, the planet doesn't blow up, the whole solar system does.

The correct pilot would seem to be someone between a simple human (burns up) and a Time Lord (makes the TARDIS blow up)... Could it be Clara?

In Hide, the Clara mirror was a lost space explorer (= astronaut = spaceship pilot). A granddaughter. Scared and lost.


- Puppet Master
Somewhere there is someone pulling strings. Someone clever enough to steal Amy ("...they were projecting a control signal right into the TARDIS. Wherever we were in time and space."/"Yes, they're very clever") and turn her baby into a human with a 'Timehead'. I figure Omega is a good fit. He's insane enough (as well as intent on revenge) and if you're blowing up the universe (Silence falling), you'd need a TARDIS in order to sit out the explosion/get somewhere else. Plus, Omega stole the [Fifth] Doctor's body and would have the knowhow to blow up the Doctor's TARDIS. Also the Clerics have Omega symbols on their outfits, etc. He'd make a suitably grand villain for the anniversary. However, for now we should probably just go with 'hooded figure', who- or whatever that is. (The alternative theory is that Clara is something created before destruction of Gallifrey. I'm not sure how this would fit with her being a TARDIS.) We have also have the Great Intelligence knocking about (which likes using people), but it just doesn't fit to the same degree. (We have Omega imagery right back to S5...)

- Family
In Moffat Who everything comes down to family, and Clara being a TARDIS would certainly fit there. ("I'm thinking that all of my sisters are dead" <- the TARDIS would get a sister!) Plus, kissing him wouldn't be icky, which is a plus. Also it'd explain why she calls him 'boy' which is otherwise just a little odd. Mind you, as everyone is usually ALL THE THINGS (like River), I am still clinging to my granddaughter theory, and it wouldn't surprise me if she turned out to be his granddaughter AND the 'pilot' for the Silence's TARDIS...

"I never take the TARDIS into battle"
And here we would have this season's 'time head' line. Not to mention that next week we'll get a journey into the TARDIS. Also... "If he is mad, then this is his madness." And the monks look at the picture of Clara. A mad man with a box... (Ooooh and it could all tie in with The Bad Wolf, which never meant anything except 'random words'. I would LOVE TO DISTRACTION if Rose's [lack of] Bad Wolf imagery came back to be important. Hungry like the Wolf...)

And finally...
After two seasons of people being put in boxes, I think THIS time, the answer will be something different. (It's at this point that I would go into Jekyll parallels, but quite frankly, I think I'll leave that for another time...)

And that's all folks! What do you think?

Comments

[10littlebullets.livejournal.com]

I think... hmmmm. I have a lot of pieces and am not sure how they'd fit together. First there's my working theory that something like the Lodger-TARDIS is what blew up the TARDIS in Pandorica Opens, and that it was sitting inside Amy Pond's house. Which has too many stories--literally, two stories on the outside and three on the inside. So: perhaps the Silence are building themselves a TARDIS and they still need either a pilot or a TARDIS core to do it. And Clara ends up filling that role and gets scattered throughout time, like the cracks in time and space, by the force of the explosion? But the piece I can't get to fit with that is the fields of Trenzalore, the Doctor having to reveal his name to River, and how that ties into the rest of the plot. Plus assorted other loose ends like why the TARDIS blew up the night before Amy and Rory's wedding, why River was there in Big Bang before Amy remembered the Doctor back, etc.

I think the other big question in all of this is whether the Silence are trying to cause or prevent the TARDIS explosion. But again, not sure how it fits.

[elisi]

I think... hmmmm. I have a lot of pieces and am not sure how they'd fit together.
Ahahahaha! You and me both! Did you see my previous post? *g*

First there's my working theory that something like the Lodger-TARDIS is what blew up the TARDIS in Pandorica Opens, and that it was sitting inside Amy Pond's house. Which has too many stories--literally, two stories on the outside and three on the inside.
*headdesk* WHY do I keep forgetting about Amy's house? Dammit. Yes. If not disproven, then that's definitely where the proto-TARDIS went!

But the piece I can't get to fit with that is the fields of Trenzalore, the Doctor having to reveal his name to River, and how that ties into the rest of the plot. Plus assorted other loose ends like why the TARDIS blew up the night before Amy and Rory's wedding, why River was there in Big Bang before Amy remembered the Doctor back, etc. I think the other big question in all of this is whether the Silence are trying to cause or prevent the TARDIS explosion. But again, not sure how it fits.
The Doctor revealing his name is what makes the universe blow up, this has been established. (Dunno HOW this works, but that's not really important. *g*) However the other stuff I have grasp on... The Silence (the religious order) is trying to PREVENT the Doctor getting to Trensazalore, since they don't want the Doctor to destroy the universe. They create River (possibly with some help from higher up - the reasons for this help are unknown) to STOP him (and - as far as they are aware, succeed). However, whatever is blowing up the universe (Silence Falling) is above/smarter/cleverer. TBB can be seen as a single, sustained attack on River herself - her husband gets imprisoned (The Alliance could easily be puppets), her father kills her mother and the universe explodes on their wedding night - the night she was conceived. (Someone suggested that the major paradox of her even existing inside the TARDIS was what makes it blow up.)

Hope that helps?

As for Clara, then I definitely see her as creation of the Puppet Master. If nothing else, then certainly a trap for the Doctor.

[dweomeroflight.livejournal.com]

I thought she was a TARDIS from the second she appeared. It explains a lot... including why she is as manic as The Doctor.

[elisi]

LOL.

(You know, I don't think she's that manic. When she's on her own, she [current!Clara] is so very apprehensive. So much of her manicness seems to be bravura.)

[eve11]

There are several examples I can think of from extra-TV sources that have TARDISes with chameleon circuits that are indistinguishable from people. The first is Lawrence Miles' Eighth Doctor story "Alien Bodies". There is a character in that who is a TARDIS, if I recall correctly. There is also Compassion from the EDAs, and there is the Fifth Doctor Big Finish audio "Omega" in which a TARDIS has a humaniod chameleon shell as well.

ETA: Oh, I just re-watched "The Lodger" the other day too! *hearts*

[elisi]

Thank you! My lack of knowledge of classic!Who is letting me down, I'm afraid.

But it's good to know that there are several precedents. :)

ETA: The Lodger is the Squishy of the Whoniverse. <3

[hawkmoth.livejournal.com]

Wow. Every time we get a new arc, all you brilliant people come up with the best damn ideas ever. I think I'm getting used to having my mind boggled on a semi-regular basis.

I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries.

And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death."

Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?

I think I need to watch AotD and Snowmen again...

I tried to capture something about the TARDIS and Clara here:

http://hawkmoth.livejournal.com/331707.html

[elisi]

Wow. Every time we get a new arc, all you brilliant people come up with the best damn ideas ever. I think I'm getting used to having my mind boggled on a semi-regular basis.
Aw, thank you. I've had help (so many clever people out there, plus the other half of my brain who is always ready to bounce stuff around with me), although I mostly wrote all this down because I feel like I don't have a clue... (Make sense of that if you will. *g*)

I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries.
Oooooh, very nice. Thank you.

And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death."
At some point, I will watch all of Classic Who. Give it 10 years... /o\

Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?
That is the theory that is looking most probable at the moment. Mind you, I meant to add the idea that she's not been scattered YET. So this Clara is, literally, just a girl. (Timey-wimey...)

I think I need to watch AotD and Snowmen again...
Same here. And I have neither. :(

I tried to capture something about the TARDIS and Clara here:
Thanks for the link, will have a look as soon as I have a moment.

[lyricwrites.livejournal.com]

TARDIS-y characteristics:

- Uses the color blue as a disguise in the Victorian era
- Was almost literally bigger on the inside as Dalek!Oswin; declared herself "definitely not little" as Victorian!Clara

The TARDIS dislikes current!Clara, and (like Clara) is slow to trust. The reasons for this specific antipathy I will not even try to speculate on (the TARDIS exists across time and space, what can she see?).

Even if Clara wasn't a danger to the Doctor (and I'm pretty certain she is), TARDISes don't do well inside TARDISes. In the fourth Doctor's last episode, he tried to materialize the TARDIS around a real police box to check the measurements, but ended up materializing around the Master's TARDIS disguised as a police box, which made everything boxes-in-boxes and surreal for a while. The TARDIS's safety protocols may well be programmed to avoid a TARDIS-in-TARDIS situation.

[promethia_tenk]

Was almost literally bigger on the inside as Dalek!Oswin; declared herself "definitely not little" as Victorian!Clara
Ooooo, nice.

[janie-aire.livejournal.com]

Clara *is* TARDIS blue in Cold War:

[elisi]

TARDIS-y characteristics:
Thank you! (Knew I was forgetting some, but it was getting late...)

The TARDIS's safety protocols may well be programmed to avoid a TARDIS-in-TARDIS situation.
Uh-huh. And there's that delightful Comic Relief sketch that also deals with this.

(Hope I did your theory proud? I'm more leaning towards Clara-as-pilot than Clara-as-complete-TARDIS now, but writing all this out really helped to sort through my thoughts. So thank you! <3)

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

I think I love you....

[elisi]

Aw, I love you too! ♥

[me-llamo-nic.livejournal.com]

Well, it definitely fits. I don't know about this particular iteration of Clara, but definitely the other two. I'm becoming convinced that this Clara is "just a girl," as the Doctor is continually reminded. Whatever the others might be, Clara has yet to become. But the Doctor's TARDIS can see it coming and is already reacting to it. Possibly she's not even completely aware that she's reacting out of order. Like explaining about petrichor in advance...or taking the Doctor to meet Jenny, thus creating Jenny. More like that second one, I think. This is definitely an intriguing theory to ponder.

[elisi]

I'm becoming convinced that this Clara is "just a girl," as the Doctor is continually reminded. Whatever the others might be, Clara has yet to become.
*nods* It'll probably be timey-wimey, and whatever happens (giant explosion) is what will scatter the other Claras across space & time. Somehow.

(The only water in the forest is the river...)

[promethia_tenk]

Yay, you did meta!

And we have now seen Clara 'pilot' the TARDIS through sheer determination...
I am very interested in the fact that the TARDIS deems her worthy to argue with, snub, or listen to at all. Considering that she calls the companions, collectively, "strays."

The correct pilot would seem to be someone between a simple human (burns up) and a Time Lord (makes the TARDIS blow up)... Could it be Clara?
Oooo, yes. That works lovely. Also fits very well with the "perfect fusion of ice and humanity" that the GI was looking for in the Christmas special.

In Hide, the Clara mirror was a lost space explorer (= astronaut = spaceship pilot). A granddaughter. Scared and lost.
Mmmm, also good. Though, even if she's not intended as a TARDIS pilot, her desire to travel certainly fits nicely as a mirror for a time travel pioneer. It's better if she's a TARDIS pilot, though.

Also... "If he is mad, then this is his madness." And the monks look at the picture of Clara. A mad man with a box...
Hehehehehe. I swear, with Moff, I'm most likely to believe an argument if it will result in a clever pun somewhere. Clara who? Clara Who!

[elisi]

Yay, you did meta!
I did! And it isn't entirely terrible.

I am very interested in the fact that the TARDIS deems her worthy to argue with, snub, or listen to at all. Considering that she calls the companions, collectively, "strays."
I'm trying to think of other instances... Rose of course FORCED it open, but that doesn't count. Martha & Donna - can't think of anything. Idris of course talked to Amy & Rory, but there were ~circumstances. And Rory was merely 'the Pretty One'. The only one she has properly spoken to (that we know of) is River.

Mmmm, also good. Though, even if she's not intended as a TARDIS pilot, her desire to travel certainly fits nicely as a mirror for a time travel pioneer. It's better if she's a TARDIS pilot, though.
Isn't it just? *g*

Hehehehehe. I swear, with Moff, I'm most likely to believe an argument if it will result in a clever pun somewhere. Clara who? Clara Who!
We all remember The Big Bang...

[thisbluespirit]

All very interesting! :-)

I wonder, though, if she is family, and connected to Susan, she might be Susan's daughter instead? After all, she is a human girl, too, so also David Campbell's daughter - and one who is grieved about losing her mother. (Susan gone via the Time War?) Although, on the other hand, Susan did love her time as just an ordinary 60s schoolgirl (though she never really was, hence Ian and Barbara's curiosity in the first place).

But I don't know. And as eve11 says, Compassion from the EDAs is the main example of a humanoid TARDIS - there's been nothing on screen, and therefore actual canon, in the earlier series, not as far as I can think.

ETA: If you want a Susan connection that's pretty random, she and David flirted with a fish.

(I know. I would have refused to speak to anyone who came after me with a dead fish, but Susan is all for it as a romantic approach.)

Does Clara have one odd shoe anywhere?

:-)

[elisi]

All very interesting! :-)
Thank you. :)

I wonder, though, if she is family, and connected to Susan, she might be Susan's daughter instead?
Hmmm. I think Susan settled/was left behind in the 22nd Century? Mind you, I'd like that perfectly well!

Compassion from the EDAs is the main example of a humanoid TARDIS - there's been nothing on screen, and therefore actual canon, in the earlier series, not as far as I can think.
Which means it's ripe for exploring...

ETA: If you want a Susan connection that's pretty random, she and David flirted with a fish.
FISH! <3 <3 <3

(I know. I would have refused to speak to anyone who came after me with a dead fish, but Susan is all for it as a romantic approach.)
I abruptly love her more!

Does Clara have one odd shoe anywhere?
If she does, I'll declare your theory valid.

[radiolaires]

Your egg theory. Nicely put together. It's quite complex, but Moffat has already proved those kinds of arc are not out of his reach.
The evil!TARDIS, I hope it could be explored a little more, but it was introduced two seasons ago, so it's quite uncertain.
I really like the idea she could be a TARDIS pilot. That's why the TARDIS would be so wary of her, fraternal rivalry...

I've read several people theorising on Clara being normal, but being scattered in time and space during something that would happen in the series finale. I find it really really interesting. Also in the spirit of my personal theory, she still could be a trap, though not finished yet. Trouble is the Doctor is already acknowledging this possibility since he is wary of her -not as smitten as Moffat announced. And I don't think Moffat would pull a double-bluff on us. There goes my theory...

[elisi]

Your egg theory. Nicely put together. It's quite complex, but Moffat has already proved those kinds of arc are not out of his reach.
I'm not sure how to approach it to be honest, but I think there's something there.

The evil!TARDIS, I hope it could be explored a little more, but it was introduced two seasons ago, so it's quite uncertain.
Everything is connected. So whoever blew up the TARDIS is still at large.

I really like the idea she could be a TARDIS pilot. That's why the TARDIS would be so wary of her, fraternal rivalry...
Mmmmm. Jealousy. Now THERE'S a brilliant motive. :)

I've read several people theorising on Clara being normal, but being scattered in time and space during something that would happen in the series finale. I find it really really interesting.
I was going to include that! I think it's looking very likely indeed.

Also in the spirit of my personal theory, she still could be a trap, though not finished yet. Trouble is the Doctor is already acknowledging this possibility since he is wary of her -not as smitten as Moffat announced. And I don't think Moffat would pull a double-bluff on us. There goes my theory...
Moffat lies. And as long as your theory ends in hugs and sparkles, you should be on the right track. *g*

[purplefringe.livejournal.com]

Mmmmmmm. Beautiful. Nothing coherent to add just yet (having read all the comments too!) - only: does that feel better?

[elisi]

YES IT DOES!

*twirls you*

Thank you. ♥

[flowsoffire.livejournal.com]

*wide eyes* This is fascinating. Bits and pieces, like you said, but there are definitely some amazing leads in there.
I was especially sold by Clara's TARDIS-like characteristics, the use of the many Claras (that's the most solid explanation I've heard thus far :D) and OMFG, the building TARDISes! I can't believe I'd utterly forgotten about the Silence's TARDIS *goldfish moment* but I've just been rewatching tIA and DotM and it's GLARING… just like the parallel with the Lodger's.
Basically, I'm very, very excited by all those thoughts =) Thanks for sharing!

[elisi]

It's the proto-TARDIS that gets me too. It's a big set to create (TWICE) for no reason...

The treads, btw, are AWESOME. Everyone is so clever. <3

[mengu.livejournal.com]

Wow.
I think you're right that 'all of the above' is the way to go with this, given the way River's story has been playing out. (Amy&Rory's kid AND a time lord AND married the Doctor AND killed him - most people got some of it, but I don't think anyone got all four, pre-s6 at least) My theories are even less coherent than yours right now.

My current theory is that Modern!Clara is Clara 1, and that something happens after now that changes her.
My current theory is that Clara is the Great Intelligence.
My current theory is that something is rewriting her timeline - I only hope it's Clara.
My current theory is that Clara will become immortal; not never-dying, but every time she dies she comes back to life. (Doctor Who? Clara Oswin Oswald)

She is Doctor Who, therefore she will not get an unhappy ending. That much I'm certain of. Being a TARDIS or designed as the not!TARDIS pilot sounds increasingly right.

Still don't think there is something else manipulating things. There's no space for it. :/

[elisi]

Wow.
:)

I think you're right that 'all of the above' is the way to go with this, given the way River's story has been playing out. (Amy&Rory's kid AND a time lord AND married the Doctor AND killed him - most people got some of it, but I don't think anyone got all four, pre-s6 at least)
Oh River is much more than that (*g*), but yes, I think Clara will play out in the same way.

My current theory is that Modern!Clara is Clara 1, and that something happens after now that changes her.
Yup, I'm all aboard that one.

My current theory is that Clara is the Great Intelligence.
Nope. Not a chance. (I'm not sure what I feel about the Great Intelligence. I see it much more as 'random recurring villain a la the Daleks/Cybermen' than something connected to the current arc. But I may be wrong.)

My current theory is that something is rewriting her timeline - I only hope it's Clara.
Well there are certainly SHENANIGANS afoot. It's possible that she's some sort of fixed event/person, since even though the leaf changed *she* didn't...

My current theory is that Clara will become immortal; not never-dying, but every time she dies she comes back to life. (Doctor Who? Clara Oswin Oswald)
*pokes* Too much like Jack. I think it's more that she is TARDIS-like, and exists across time and space somehow.

She is Doctor Who, therefore she will not get an unhappy ending. That much I'm certain of. Being a TARDIS or designed as the not!TARDIS pilot sounds increasingly right.
Oh of course there's a happy ending. This is Moffat we're talking about. ♥ *points to icon*

Still don't think there is something else manipulating things. There's no space for it. :/
I say there's been something around since S5, and we'll finally find out what it is. It's even possible that it's future!Doctor, but there's someone there. Remember that prequel:



(Because I can't use two icons with one comment. Gr!)

Who blew up the TARDIS and made Silence Fall? We still don't know...

[sea_thoughts]

I love the idea of Clara being the pilot for the Science's TARDIS. It would also fit with what happened in the episode about her finding the Library and reading THAT BOOK (being deliberately vague in case you read this comment before seeing it)...

[elisi]

Oh I've seen. (Luckily... *g*) Anyway, I think this is a Good Idea. Esp with the TARDIS-centric season we're having. :)

[lonewytch.livejournal.com]

Really interesting. I've got a friend in real life who is convinced that Clara is the Tardis, and has been for some time. I've remained slightly skeptical of the idea, but you make some very convincing points and it does seem to hang together very well as a theory. Especially when you consider the Tardis has again been mirroring Clara in Journey, and the reversal of putting a box inside a person.

I wonder where this would leave her though, if it did pan out in this way...I mean, what would you do with a conscious living bit of the Tardis. Apart from love it, protect it, cling to it for dear life; until you lose it.

I want this theory to be true. I want to the grandaughter theory to be true. Basically i want Moff to do all the awesome thing. Other theories i feel are unlikely but would make me equally happy: Clara is River, Clara is River/11s child. Um. Yeah, I have a bit of a River fixation.

[elisi]

Really interesting. I've got a friend in real life who is convinced that Clara is the Tardis, and has been for some time. I've remained slightly skeptical of the idea, but you make some very convincing points and it does seem to hang together very well as a theory. Especially when you consider the Tardis has again been mirroring Clara in Journey, and the reversal of putting a box inside a person.
Well, not *the* TARDIS - *a* TARDIS. Probably Omega's ("You destroyed my TARDIS, but I will build another." Omega, in 'Arc of Infinity').

I wonder where this would leave her though, if it did pan out in this way...I mean, what would you do with a conscious living bit of the Tardis. Apart from love it, protect it, cling to it for dear life; until you lose it.
Well she started out as 'just a girl' and since the actress is signed up for the next season, presumably she'll stay/return to being a girl. (Her humanity was strong enough to withstand being converted into a Dalek...)

I want this theory to be true. I want to the grandaughter theory to be true. Basically i want Moff to do all the awesome thing. Other theories i feel are unlikely but would make me equally happy: Clara is River, Clara is River/11s child. Um. Yeah, I have a bit of a River fixation.
Well she's not River. Promethia thinks she's River's & 11's which I'd love, I just can't see HOW. So probably granddaughter. Somehow. Or great-great-great etc. Whatever happens, she's family in one way or another. And everything is River, we know that already. :)

[kristinking.livejournal.com]

Love the way your thinking is going here! I remembered about that TARDIS from the Lodger too, but forgot about the one from The Impossible Astronaut. There's also an interesting comment from River Song in "Angels Take Manhattan" that "one psychopath per TARDIS" is enough.

[elisi]

Love the way your thinking is going here!
Thank you!

I remembered about that TARDIS from the Lodger too, but forgot about the one from The Impossible Astronaut.
Well it's the same one... So it was filling us in on the origin (the Silence were trying to build one presumably), but then it was abandoned when the Doctor turned them into the hunted ones. Mind you, I of course think Omega is the one pulling all the strings, so... *g*

There's also an interesting comment from River Song in "Angels Take Manhattan" that "one psychopath per TARDIS" is enough.
I mostly saw that as River labelling them both psychopaths (whilst trying to stop him leaning too much on her, and instead move on), but it'd be interesting to have another one around... (Although I don't think Omega is a psychopath so much a completely and utterly insane.)

[the-redjay.livejournal.com]

Omega theory is best theory.

[elisi]

Always. But I don't think Missy is Omega. Although that would be an AMAZING twist.