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'Fear Me, I Killed All Of Them' . Notes on dark!Doctor meta vid.
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tv_fan_2008. She very kindly let me preview it last week, asking for feedback. What she got was a lot of flailing & meta, as it is basically the dark!Doctor vid in my head that I am unable to make. I asked her whether she'd like me to write the notes up, and as she thought this was a good idea, here's the accompanying meta to her vid (including her input & corrections, obviously). Watch the vid, and then - if you're interested - come back to dig into all the lovely layers. (This is of course only one aspect of the Doctor, examined in detail...) SPOILERS for everything aired so far.Quotes
CLIVE: The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes, he's there. He has a storm in his wake. And he has one constant companion.
ROSE: Who's that?
CLIVE: Death.
DAVROS: The man who abhors violence, never carrying a gun. But this is the truth, Doctor: you take ordinary people and you fashion THEM into weapons. Behold your Children of Time transformed into murderers. I made the Daleks, Doctor. You made this. [...] How many more? Just think. How many have died in your name? The Doctor... the man who keeps running, never looking back, because he dare not, out of shame. This is my final victory, Doctor. I have shown you... yourself.
THE DOCTOR: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
The beginning - that almost silent opening - sold me instantly. I adore AGMGTW and then blending it in with other battles... Genius. Especially having the different Doctors watching [each other's battles]. Works a treat visually, but also instantly makes the point that the Doctor is the Doctor is the Doctor. Ouroboros. This is important.
No matter how many times that you told me you wanted to leave
Due to various processes, the presence that was questioning the Doctor's motives became the TARDIS, which of course works beautifully.
No matter how many breaths that you took, you still couldn't breathe
No matter how many nights that you lie wide awake to the sound of poison rain
And then these lines easily slotted into place as the moments that the Doctor was facing his death, which of course leads into the 'night's on fire' moment :) (I especially love the shot of Nine to 'poison rain'.)
Where did you go? Where did you go? Where did you go?
And then the happy, daft clips - they remind me of this quote:
MATT SMITH: That's what interests me about The Doctor because, actually, look at the blood on the man's hands... Which is why I think he has to make silly jokes and wear a fez. Because if he didn't, he'd hang himself.
As days go by, the night's on fire
And his death... This is central.
Tell me would you kill to save a life?
Tell me would you kill to prove you're right?
Crash, crash, burn, let it all burn
This hurricane's chasing us all underground
I love how the clips play against the words. (Esp the way it contrasts with the same words later - I'll get to that.) It's all Nine and Ten, threatening or actually killing others - not without reason, but going far beyond 'saving' - often out of anger, or because they've set themselves up as The Final Word. ("No second chances.") The Rachnoss is particularly good, and Cassandra really presses home the point. And then...
THE DOCTOR: Fear me, I've killed all of them.
Eleven, summarising it. This is who he is/what he's capable of - a product of what came before. What you just saw - that's all him. (The words are spoken re. the Time Lords, but in the context of the vid it can be seen as referring to all the clips we just saw & more. Very dark. "To the people of the Gamma Forest the word 'Doctor' means 'Mighty Warrior'...")
No matter how many deaths that I die I will never forget
Oh my heart. Just beautiful. (Love the use of colour.)
No matter how many lives that I live, I will never regret
He'll never regret destroying Skaro. And having that shot of Eleven on Skaro is just incredible. Gives me chills.
There is a fire inside of this heart
And a riot about to explode into flames
MARS! (Couldn't be anything else.)
Where is your God?
EMPEROR DALEK: I reached into the dirt and made new life. I am the God of all Daleks! [...] You would destroy Daleks and Humans together. If I am God, the creator of all things, then what does that make you, Doctor?
THE DOCTOR: Do you see, Jack? That's the decision I've got to make for every living thing. Die as a Human or live as a Dalek. What would you do?
Where is your God?
THE DOCTOR: You're imprisoned. Long time ago. Before the universe, after, sideways, in-between, doesn't matter. The positioning is PERFECT. It's absolutely-- it's eternal. Oh, YES! Open the prison - the gravity field collapses! This planet falls into the black hole! You escape, you die. BRILLIANT! But that's just the body. The body is trapped, that's all. The devil is just an idea. In all those civilisations - just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape. The mind - the mind of the great Beast - the mind can escape!
Where is your God?
AMY: Where are the guards?
DOCTOR: No need for any. It's all automated. It drifts through space, snatching people with belief systems and converts their faith into food for the creature.
DOCTOR: (translates) "An ancient creature, drenched in the blood of the innocent, drifting in space through an endless, shifting maze. For such a creature, death would be a gift." (kneels and puts his hand on the BEAST’S) Then accept it. And sleep well.
(The Doctor stands and walks away as the BEAST growls again)
DOCTOR: (translates) "I wasn't talking about myself."
Seriously, the whole 'God' section just SLAYS me. ("Basically... run.")
The promises we made were not enough (Never play the game again)
The prayers that we have prayed were like a drug (Never gonna hit the air)
The secrets that we sold were never known (Never sing a song for you)
Nothing to add really - the Companions, and all the other people who put their faith in him/kept his secrets and paid the price. (Although I love the shot of Eleven smiling at the camera at the end of the 'secrets' line. Mmmmm.)
The love we had, the love we had, we had to let it go.
Heartbreaking (especially the Ponds) and love the way the focus is kept on the Doctor's grief on the drawn-out 'go'. This is the flip side to the above - the hurt goes both ways.
(Never giving in again, Never giving in again)
*heart is in a million pieces* PONDS! (They're all lovely, but... Ponds!)
Tell me would you kill to save a life?
Tell me would you kill to prove you're right?
And this is where it gets really interesting, because here the Doctor *is* going to kill in order to save (both when it comes to the Daleks and the Starwhale) and he could have walked away from Wilf and oh, Jex... The clips supporting the lyrics this time. But of course it's not that simple.
Crash, crash, burn, let it all burn
Very deliberately murdering Solomon, because he despises him. Perfect. And no one can say that Solomon's death wasn't deserved. And yet, this is very dangerous ground, because it can lead to the next part.
This hurricane's chasing us all underground
The Family of Blood's brutal punishment, ending with "Timelord Victorious"... This is where his actions can lead, if he's not very, very careful.
Whoa
Do you really want...
Do you really want me?
Do you really want me dead,
Or alive to torture for my sins?
Perfect choice of clips. Especially the one where he's faced with Davros, and the one from A Town Called Mercy, as the way it's shot makes it look as if it's the Doctor who's imprisoned - and indeed, in many ways he is [by his past, by his actions].
Do you really want...
Do you really want me?
Do you really want me dead,
Or alive to live a lie?
And the Silence and River and death (circling back to the beginning) and ridiculously clever use of the lyrics. I am in so much awe. And, at this point, there is the feeling that he might actually deserve it - he is now living a lie, going on to erase himself, and oh, is that good or bad? Doctor Who? What is he going to become? (Does he deserve death - or should he be kept alive to atone? Love or loathe it, S6 is pivotal to the Doctor's continued journey post-Time War.)
And finally - Daleks. (Mirror, mirror... 'Die as a Human or live as a Dalek.' Oh Doctor.)
RORY: Who killed all the Daleks?
DOCTOR: Who do you think?
You might not believe me, but when I first watched this vid, I thought to myself 'I am so pleased that it was the Doctor who killed the Daleks in 'Asylum', rather than Amy, as it seemed when they released the trailer. Because killing things [Daleks] is what he does.' And then came the ending and I almost fell off my chair in delight. That little smirk. The Predator indeed.
KOVARIAN: The anger of a good man is not a problem. Good men have too many rules.
DOCTOR: Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.
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*DANCES*
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Nevermind, I'm sure it'll still have an awesome impact. (I've been sitting on this all week, unable to say anything. ENJOY Sweetie!)
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and the doctor!
i really don´t like Eleven too much, but i know is Matt Smith is right, after "The Time Lord Victorious" and the events of The end of time, really how to carry on...
i loved Nine because he was cool, cunning and sarcastic and he had no problems with been insinuated and even thinking about a threesome.
i fell for Ten because after all of his lives Ten was brave enough to try to be human, he felt with all his two hearts, everything... with everything that means for a been like him with a past like him, but he let himself to believe and love and lost and have friends and even experience a human life... he fell everything he could feel with the master all the lost, all they could have been, all the hate, all the love... because the master and the doctor were friends and maybe more than that and after the master felt betrayal and developed hate and they private war began and they become enemies...
after Ten and everything he suffers and how he revels in his destiny and the one of the humans... really where he will go
so even i understand the double standard of eleven because is the obvious consequence of Ten and Nine it hurts and i don't like to see him
because he is so cold masquerade in his silly acts...
he was not cold with the Ponds, not get me wrong, but he is with anything and anyone else... even with Rory sometimes, like when he makes him leave his wife behind after he lied to him!
or how he married River for finish the fixed point in time and nothing more, even if after he really loves her...
somehow Dark Ten cared more than dark Eleven
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Thank you. :)
i really don´t like Eleven too much, but i know is Matt Smith is right, after "The Time Lord Victorious" and the events of The end of time, really how to carry on...
Fascinating. I love Eleven best of all - especially as a contrast to Ten. (But I'll get to that.)
i loved Nine because he was cool, cunning and sarcastic and he had no problems with been insinuated and even thinking about a threesome.
LOL. I don't think he'd go there, but oh yes. I know exactly what you mean.
i fell for Ten because after all of his lives Ten was brave enough to try to be human, he felt with all his two hearts, everything... with everything that means for a been like him with a past like him, but he let himself to believe and love and lost and have friends and even experience a human life...
Oh I understand this, but that was also his downfall - he's not human, and trying to be something he wasn't tore him apart. (The Lonely God indeed. I have LOTS of meta on this elsewhere...) He felt too much and then turned it all inwards. Very dangerous, but incredibly compelling. He broke far too beautifully...
he fell everything he could feel with the master all the lost, all they could have been, all the hate, all the love... because the master and the doctor were friends and maybe more than that and after the master felt betrayal and developed hate and they private war began and they become enemies...
I could watch Ten/Simm!Master all day, seriously.
so even i understand the double standard of eleven because is the obvious consequence of Ten and Nine it hurts and i don't like to see him because he is so cold masquerade in his silly acts...
This is where I have to tilt my head, because cold is not the word I'd ever use for Eleven. (There is no right or wrong, we all see what we see, I'm just curious as how we see things so differently.) Eleven - after all the heartache he endured as Ten - manages to somehow reach out, open up, and make enduring bonds. To just care about people. Eleven is like a grandad (well he *is* a grandad, his family is just dead) - daft and silly, and with multiple scars that he can't always hide... I find Eleven far more accepting [on the whole] than Ten, who always set himself up as the moral authority.
he was not cold with the Ponds, not get me wrong, but he is with anything and anyone else... even with Rory sometimes, like when he makes him leave his wife behind after he lied to him!
or how he married River for finish the fixed point in time and nothing more, even if after he really loves her...
Eleven is... very much like Seven. He gets on with it, and he doesn't indulge in selfpity. I find this an excellent quality, although I can see how others find it off putting. (Re. River, then if you're in the mood for long meta, this essay spells out all my feelings: The Doctor’s Final Lesson, courtesy of River Song.)
somehow Dark Ten cared more than dark Eleven
We shall have to disagree, which I hope is fine.
Anyway, thank you for your lovely long comment, it's wonderful to have something to dig into. :)
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Ooh, interesting—see, I'd characterize Eleven as caring and cold. Occasionally at the same time, as in "The Lodger," where he tricked Sophie into believing in herself by voicing all the doubts that were going through her head. He's calculating, no doubt about that. He keeps himself far more remote than Ten ever did; Ten was a man who would dive headfirst into any emotion that presented itself, half-hoping he'd drown. Eleven always holds a little bit back. There's always a part of his brain that's figuring the odds and exploring the angles. Best friend unhappy, best friend also being slowly converted by evil Dalek nanites—it takes a worrying degree of calculation to see the second problem as a tool for solving the first.
That being said, I find the amount of instant compassion that Eleven can show, often for "nobody special," to be inspiring. And touching, and even uplifting. So there's that.
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Oh he's manipulative as hell. I'm just tripping over calling that 'cold', although I can see why people might think that. It's like Seven... Seven genuinely, absolutely, cares about Ace, even as he controls and manipulates her without her knowledge. It's a sort of double-vision which just reads as 'Time Lord'/alien to me. He is that clever that he can - at the same time - focus on immediate needs, and also think of how to fix things by adjusting the now.
Like... Doctor/River. They lie and manipulate and screw with each other's heads, but that's just how they work. That's the game. He needs [someone like] her because she can do what he can.
it takes a worrying degree of calculation to see the second problem as a tool for solving the first.
I don't see it as a worry, but as a bonus. Plus - and this is important - he owns it. That's important.
ETA: I want to re-watch Remembrance of the Daleks now... Mmmm, Seven.
(From the BBC's site, their summary of the character: Spoons. Braces. Cartmel masterplan. Panama hat. Umbrella. Ace! Rrrrrolling rrrrrrs. Professor! Wicked! Cliffhanger. Pullover. Dark and mysterious. Burnt toast.)
Oh, hang on. It's the mysterious bit that's important? Ten is dark, but he's not mysterious... Thank you, that's helped me sort things in my mind. :)
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I suspect we're working from a slightly different definition of "cold," here. I think that other than that, we're basically on the same page.
It's like Seven... Seven genuinely, absolutely, cares about Ace, even as he controls and manipulates her without her knowledge. It's a sort of double-vision which just reads as 'Time Lord'/alien to me. He is that clever that he can - at the same time - focus on immediate needs, and also think of how to fix things by adjusting the now.
Agreed, very much.
I don't see it as a worry, but as a bonus. Plus - and this is important - he owns it. That's important.
Oh, I never said I didn't like it. I do. I guess I used the word "worrying" because I have long-standing thoughts on the subject of trust—namely, that it's one of the scariest things in the universe. Worth it, naturally, but still frightening. And any relationship with the Doctor requires phenomenal degrees of trust, because although his compassion is very real, it doesn't always look or act like human compassion. You just have to have faith in it.
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Quite probably - words are tricky things. (My default word for Eleven is 'kind', which is why 'cold' trips me up - manipulative, however, I relish.)
And any relationship with the Doctor requires phenomenal degrees of trust, because although his compassion is very real, it doesn't always look or act like human compassion. You just have to have faith in it.
Oh totally. And what he ALWAYS says is 'Trust me, I'm the Doctor'... Love it when that gets challenged. (River's dressing down in AGMGTW is, um, one of my favourite things ever.)
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but the part when he uses everyone as a tool without remorse even if he think is a calculated risk because he will save he or she at the end if he can.
holding a little or been a little detach it was the past classic doctors always did. But use, and calculate was not.
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I'm not sure where you get the lack of remorse from. He will do what needs doing, and usually tries his best not to let his own emotions get in the way, but that doesn't mean they're not there - indeed, one of my main problems with Ten is the way his selfpity cancels out almost everyone else. (I'm not saying he doesn't have reason to feel sorry for himself, but it's not an attractive quality imho...)
holding a little or been a little detach it was the past classic doctors always did. But use, and calculate was not.
I've not seen a lot of Classic Who, but from what little I've seen of One he seemed delightfully manipulative, and Seven - whom I know rather well - spent his entire tenure playing chess with people and worlds and planets... Calculating doesn't begin to cover it. :)
ETA: Will get to your other comments later - life is too busy. Sorry!
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and about how we see Eleven so different i think is good we are different, it will be boring the other way around no?
i know Eleven says wonderful things about humans... Ten said this things too all the time...
but what hurt me of Eleven is when he said he use companions as a cute baby for distraction while he is doing his thing!
or when he left older Amy to die and he promised to Rory he would save the two of them only to make him be responsible of the older Amy dead and solitude( i found awesome how Rory respond to the doctor then)
there are this things he does where you see he really doesn't care as he says and he put his war above everyone that make me cry.
Then he change mode to silly, try to forget about what he said or did and try to be good with everyone, but i can't believe him after that he said of done, because he did it!
so i know how much he loves the Ponds and i know he really loves River at least after time, even if he didn't marry her for love precisely... but this hurt me and i think this hurt him too, but apparently he doesn't want to care anymore. The Time Lord victorious change him for the bad too much and Eleven is the consequence
i will not try to change your mind because maybe everyone has his doctor no?
and yep seven has some of Eleven.
About Nine... i don't think he had any threesome or even a one-stand, but i loved he was open and flirting with possibilities, in that he was amazing, no other Doctor was like him. I totally get why Jack Harness fell over hills for him and try for years to please him... but when he find him as Ten... Ten was anything like Nine in that regard, poor Jack must felt so sad, but Ten remembered him in the end and how lonely Jack must felt because of Ianto and sent him a date ;) that was like a little nine gesture of him.
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I've not seen the movie, but yes, he certainly looks like one! *g*
and about how we see Eleven so different i think is good we are different, it will be boring the other way around no?
Certainly less interesting.
i know Eleven says wonderful things about humans... Ten said this things too all the time...
The Doctor just likes humans, and Earth is like his second home.
but what hurt me of Eleven is when he said he use companions as a cute baby for distraction while he is doing his thing!
Not *quite* sure what situation you're referring to, but that's really a Doctor-trait, rather than a specific Eleven one. Maybe Eleven is just more upfront about it? He probably sees it as multitasking...
or when he left older Amy to die and he promised to Rory he would save the two of them only to make him be responsible of the older Amy dead and solitude( i found awesome how Rory respond to the doctor then)
Well he couldn't save them both without breaking time. Yes he lied, but in the end he left it up to Amy and Rory, and (older)Amy made the decision to die. The Doctor was caught in an impossible situation, and did the best he could - he had to make the hard choice and he did. And as you say, Rory didn't let him get away with it. (Love Rory.) Mostly I don't mind the Doctor being a bastard, as long as someone calls him on it or he acknowledges the issue.
there are this things he does where you see he really doesn't care as he says and he put his war above everyone that make me cry.
Huh? He fought the war because of them. (Other times - like the Time War - he will do what needs doing to save the most. He is willing to make enormous personal sacrifices in order to save the day.)
Then he change mode to silly, try to forget about what he said or did and try to be good with everyone, but i can't believe him after that he said of done, because he did it!
Oh a lot of the silliness is a mask, but also - like I quoted above - a coping mechanism. Otherwise he'd just kill himself.
but this hurt me and i think this hurt him too, but apparently he doesn't want to care anymore. The Time Lord victorious change him for the bad too much and Eleven is the consequence
I'd say watch the little prologue that the showed last night. I think that RTD broke the Doctor and Moffat is very carefully putting him back together. It's just a lengthy process, as he's got a lot of issues.
i will not try to change your mind because maybe everyone has his doctor no?
Oh yes, everyone had their Doctor - and don't worry, you wouldn't be able to change my mind, no matter how hard you try! :)
About Nine... i don't think he had any threesome or even a one-stand, but i loved he was open and flirting with possibilities, in that he was amazing, no other Doctor was like him.
I am very, very fond of Nine. <3
I totally get why Jack Harness fell over hills for him and try for years to please him... but when he find him as Ten...
Ten was such a bastard towards Jack, it says a LOT about Jack that he was able to forgive him - abandoning him the way he did was pretty unforgivable. Anyway, it's good that they were able to overcome their issues and become friends again.
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Ouroboros indeed!
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Same here... (in case that wasn't wildly obvious! *g*)
Just reading your notes and watching the video really made me confront how I view Nine, Ten and Eleven. It is so easy to say that Nine would do THIS, while Ten would do THAT, and Eleven would do the OTHER, and yet as much as they are all distinctive, different personalities, the differences sometimes lead away from the understanding that the DOCTOR does all of it and that there has been darkness from the very beginning with One.
*nods a lot* If the character doesn't hold together it all falls to pieces, and although I think Ten is somewhat of an outlier, personality-wise, his journey hangs together beautifully and the whole thing is very necessary, especially considering the impact of the Time War. That kinda of thing should have long lasting effects.
Ouroboros indeed!
Exactly.
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I always love that trick when we see someone from the outside reacting or commenting on the situation, and then we realise it's all about the person we know (like the Dream Lord or "I wasn't talking about myself" quote). With the Doctor, you can use another incarnations for that effect - we can react like they're different people because the face is new but it's the same man. Even if I don't see it sometimes.
MATT SMITH: That's what interests me about The Doctor because, actually, look at the blood on the man's hands... Which is why I think he has to make silly jokes and wear a fez. Because if he didn't, he'd hang himself.
Has he really said that? I need to watch more interviews. I always had an impression that the Eleventh Doctor was supposed to be lighter than the previous one, and it's "sort of happened" that he's been even darker. Or as dark as the Tenth, just in a different way. I'd never thought Matt sees him like that.
@all the parts with killing - I love how the video shows killing is not simple. It's adressed in the show so often and looked at from different angles. Is killing to safe a life justified? Is killing a horrible person justified? If the Doctor would have killed from anger, whom does it make him? Is killing the Daleks and not regreting it (yes, that smirk!) right? "Fear me, I killed all of them" - he says it almost nonchalantly.
He doesn't carry a gun. He's deadly without it.
You might not believe me, but when I first watched this vid, I thought to myself 'I am so pleased that it was the Doctor who killed the Daleks in 'Asylum', rather than Amy, as it seemed when they released the trailer.
I haven't thought about that trailer much but I'm pretty sure in the first draft of Journey's End, Ten Two and Donna were supossed to destroy the Daleks together. I don't think it's something a companion should do.
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Me too! (I love using outside perspective in my writing too...)
With the Doctor, you can use another incarnations for that effect - we can react like they're different people because the face is new but it's the same man. Even if I don't see it sometimes.
It also depends on the Doctor - like that lovely End of Time post put it, Ten talks about regenerating like dying, whereas the Master treats his body like a malfunctioning suit.
Or as dark as the Tenth, just in a different way. I'd never thought Matt sees him like that.
Interesting. I think it very much informs how he sees & plays Eleven. (I am on the verge of falling down the rabbit hole of Ten & Eleven differences, but since I have already written thousands of words on the subject I shall abstain.)
@all the parts with killing - I love how the video shows killing is not simple. It's adressed in the show so often and looked at from different angles. Is killing to safe a life justified? Is killing a horrible person justified? If the Doctor would have killed from anger, whom does it make him? Is killing the Daleks and not regreting it (yes, that smirk!) right? "Fear me, I killed all of them" - he says it almost nonchalantly.
Yes, I'm sure the vid gave me goosebumps the first time. And there's so much there... <3
He doesn't carry a gun. He's deadly without it.
Have you seen the S9 finale?
I haven't thought about that trailer much but I'm pretty sure in the first draft of Journey's End, Ten Two and Donna were supossed to destroy the Daleks together. I don't think it's something a companion should do.
Rose (+ the TARDIS) killed them in S1. S2 Rose & Ten together. S3... Martha took down the Master. S4 - TenToo. Anyway, it was Oswin who killed the Daleks. :)
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I've got a theory that the Master's feelings about regeneration are more typical for Time Lords than the Doctor's. Time Lords can recognize each other despite a change of a body (I can't remember if Moffat had changed that with Twelve and Missy) and I imagine, since they don't seem very emotional as a species, what really defines a person for them is brain: intelligence and memories. For the Master, the Doctor is always the Doctor, it's his human and other non-Time Lord friends for whom he's someone else when he regenerates. I believe it influenced his way of thinking of regeneration. Tenth was of coorse the most concerned about it, which makes sense, since he was the most human of the Doctors and he felt his personality, emotions and even physical appearance define him as well.
I'd love it if we've seen some other Time Lords talking about regeneration and what it means to them.
I am on the verge of falling down the rabbit hole of Ten & Eleven differences, but since I have already written thousands of words on the subject I shall abstain.
I love when someone compares them. I'm currently rewatching season 5 with this angle. "What would the Tenth do? Is it Tenth's behaviour, or is it different?" It's fascinating.
Have you seen the S9 finale?
I have. I still don't know what to think about the Doctor's behaviour. He crossed the line and got away with it too easily for me to accept it.
Rose (+ the TARDIS) killed them in S1. S2 Rose & Ten together. S3... Martha took down the Master. S4 - TenToo. Anyway, it was Oswin who killed the Daleks.
Yes, sure. But I meant the companion shouldn't do somrthing like that on purpose, with cold blood. Rose didn't really know what she was doing in season 1 and she was only helping the Doctor in season 2 - he'd still do it if she wasn't there. Martha didn't kill the Master. If Donna killed the Daleks before the Doctors said there wasn't another way, it would feel wrong to me.
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Oh yes. Look at the General. Gets shot, regenerates, gets back up again & carries on. No fuss.
Time Lords can recognize each other despite a change of a body (I can't remember if Moffat had changed that with Twelve and Missy)
Nope, totally business as usual w/Twelve & Missy. Twelve just changes the pronouns he uses, that's literally it. :)
Tenth was of course the most concerned about it, which makes sense, since he was the most human of the Doctors and he felt his personality, emotions and even physical appearance define him as well.
Good point.
I love when someone compares them. I'm currently rewatching season 5 with this angle. "What would the Tenth do? Is it Tenth's behaviour, or is it different?" It's fascinating.
I even have an icon. :)
I have. I still don't know what to think about the Doctor's behaviour. He crossed the line and got away with it too easily for me to accept it.
Well, he lost a good chunk of his memory/got Donna'd. I'd say a part of him literally died. And it's a line he's crossed before... Anyway, I'm writing up my Hell Bent thoughts (such as they are), so will leave that for a separate entry!
But I meant the companion shouldn't do something like that on purpose, with cold blood.
Oh I see! Of course not, no.
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Exactly. Like a soldier.
Nope, totally business as usual w/Twelve & Missy. Twelve just changes the pronouns he uses, that's literally it.
I have to rewatch it. I thought there was time when he didn't recognize her, the kiss maybe?
I even have an icon.
It's a great icon. :)
Anyway, I'm writing up my Hell Bent thoughts (such as they are), so will leave that for a separate entry!
Sure, I've seen you alteady posted it, so I'm leaving to read it.
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I love her. <3 There's a brilliant Tumblr post about how she's basically the most sensible, rational Time Lord we've ever seen.
I have to rewatch it. I thought there was time when he didn't recognize her, the kiss maybe?
Oh yes, she pretends to be a robot. But then there's the two heart beats and he's... confused.
It's a great icon. :)
I had my friend
Sure, I've seen you alteady posted it, so I'm leaving to read it.
Enjoy!