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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2012-06-09 11:41 pm

TSE/JE re-watch thoughts.

Soooo, we might have re-watched TSE/JE this evening...

My girls never fail to entertain. Re. Rose at the beginning of TSE, Impish Girl had this to say: "Ooh I'm just going to rip a whole in time and space, cause that's the best thing to do if you want to see someone. Lalalalala."

She seems to have got right to the heart of Doctor/Rose. *g* (I tried to explain that it was more complicated, but then Rose went and kinda contradicted me.)

She also expressed a desire to see the Men in Black. (Which would have been better than the American UNIT people, true. Although I loved the upgrade from 'Code Red' to 'Ultimate Code Red'.)

EVERYTHING with Wilf is AWESOME.

And Torchwood... *HEART STILL BROKEN*

Oh and re. the Doctor dying DRAMATICALLY in Rose's arms in the middle of the road, this was Impish Girl's reaction: "This is when Matt Smith should come along, all 'Shut up, I'm dying!' So much better!" *g*

OK, so we skipped the very end of JE (no need to see the sadness of Donna's end), but why do people not like the rest? OK, so it's COMPLETELY over the top and crammed full of EVERYTHING and MAD, but it's FUN and Ten is quite decent there for a while. That scene before they walk out onto the Crucible and he very carefully tells Donna and Jack and Rose that they were brilliant and then steps out to face the music? That's a beautiful scene. As is the bit right after when he's desperate to save Donna. (And the TARDIS is all proactive in keeping Donna inside so TenToo can be born. 'Tis VERY NEAT.) Mind you then Ten goes all emo again, which is a bit of a drawback... Because the thing about Ten is that he's far too good at lying to himself (and good grief, he's SUCH a hypocrite re. TenToo). Here, allow me to demonstrate:



I just can't help but think that if it had been Eleven there with Davros, with River trying to destroy something or other in order to save the day, the whole thing would have fallen completely flat...

Davros: 'LOOK SHE IS A MURDERER BECAUSE OF YOU!'
Eleven: 'And...?'

(Can't help myself. But seriously, imagine if Ten HAD regenerated at the end of TSE. Has anyone written JE with Eleven instead of Ten? I'd read the hell out of that. And no, I'm NOT writing it myself - I've already got the Seeker's version knocking about in my head. There are limits to how many different versions I can write of something. ANYWAY. Ten is waaaay too emo over all his Companions being badass.)

Other random thoughts: This episode again brought home how *incredibly* Earth-centric RTD-Who is. I don't suppose there's anything wrong with this per se, but compare with AGMGTW... Ten is completely focussed on humans, whereas Eleven has friends all over the place.

Oh and OMG the Doctor-worship is off the scale. Jack & Sarah Jane (and Rose) are all 'DOCTOR! I NEED THE DOCTOR!' Mind you it is sort-of balanced with Jackie being all 'I NEED TO FIND ROSE!' and Martha who is a) Focussed on her family, and b) focussed on her mission. Go Martha.

Aaaand I need to go to bed. Plz behave yourself. Thank you. ♥

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-10 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I prefer to believe that while Rose was ridiculously in love with the Doctor, she never would have risked the integrity of the universes if the stars hadn't already been going out. Yeah, maybe I love him and he fixes things and once I get to him everything will be all right got tangled together into a sort of giant thing, but the initial impetus was, stars dying. Get help at all costs.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-11 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
RIGHT?! My gods he needed to lay off of the coffee and chocolate bars!

No, sadly (as with many things) I am woefully ignorant. *FAILS*

Is it? Oh good! Thought there were laws...

*Cuddles*

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-11 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to give him a sedative half the time. He made ME tired. That's hard to do, lol!!

Ohh!! *Makes note* Thanks!

Good. Always afraid they're gonna sneak one in on me...O_o

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-11 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS. Every bit of it.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-06-11 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS. *Giggles*

AWESOME. Means I'll have a hard time forgetting yours *grins* and one year younger?! Dude. O_o. Nahhhh, I'll find a way to get ahold of it. Trust me. I'm a Dler.

This is what makes you awesome. Well. This and a plethora of other Good Things.
promethia_tenk: (tv girl)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-11 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It is on Netflix, if you do that thing.

Which is not at all how I ended up watching the whole of it.
promethia_tenk: (tv girl)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-11 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd consider that a plus.
In my personal version of the show Donna just sorta stopped being in episodes and the Doctor couldn't talk to her any more. I guess the Doctor stole Donna's prom date or something. The season four finale was when they all went to the prom, wasn't it? And then Davros spiked the punch and Rose made out with the clone of the captain of the football team. See, I was watching!

EVERYONE IS A MONSTER, EVEN THE DOCTOR. EXCEPT HE IS WONDERFUL, BECAUSE HE'S THE HERO. [error error does not compute and Bowie Base One explodes]
*smack*

OT: I really need this Prometheus movie to go away rather soon--I'm continually fighting off the feeling that people are talking about me.
promethia_tenk: (amy rory confuddled)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-11 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Well that would certainly increase my appreciation of it.
I don't care what anyone else says; Rex was hysterical and awesome.

Because he looks at you with those big sad eyes and logical thoughts cease all all you want is to make him happy.
Nice people are evil and not to be trusted.

Incidentally this sorta made me grumble about Donna's end (again). Well not her end, but the general fannish response.
I know what you mean--there's this sort of universal condemnation and general assumption that, yes, maybe the Doctor "had" to wipe Donna's memory, but that doesn't matter because he was WRONG. Well, how would everyone have felt if he had let her die? Really? Really?

Which brings me to my second point: Is DEATH preferable to a life without travelling with the Doctor? Really? Is that a message that should be put across?
Silly Elisi, don't you know that traveling with the Doctor is the only legitimate life choice in the universe and nothing else really matters except maybe if you set up an orphan asylum for blind puppies and travel the world protesting malaria but even then you will always just be waiting for the Doctor to come back again? *shakes head*

OH GOD I'M RAMBLING AGAIN STOP ME.
IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU THINK I COULD DO THAT AT ALL.
promethia_tenk: (tv girl)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-11 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Finally broke down and watched a few eps of The Middleman.

=D omg, it is fantastic:

You know how in comic books there's all kinds of mad scientists and aliens and androids and monsters and all of them want to either destroy or take over the world?

In comic books, sure.

Well, it really does work like that.
promethia_tenk: (amy rory confuddled)

The vast discontinuity of ducks

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-12 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Three guesses where this duck came from:

time duck

Too slow. IT WAS STUCK IN A CRACK IN SPACE.

I kid you not.

O_o
promethia_tenk: (storytellers)

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2012-06-12 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
*smirk*

Bring your Eliot . . .

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-12 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
My inner optimist is going "Well, you probably couldn't have as much utter FAIL than in the Shakespeare episode where Martha tried to bring up people's views of her in that century, and Ten's just like, "Martha, how'd'ya think people see me? I'm am alien."

Although, upon further overthinking this—I wonder if that's fail, or characterization. It would not be the first or the last time that the Doctor failed to realize that humans don't (and in some cases, can't) see things from the same perspective he does. It also wouldn't be the last time he failed to really see Martha. So, while someone is definitely being utterly thoughtless in that scene, I'm not totally sure it's the writer.

[identity profile] masakochan.livejournal.com 2012-06-12 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Unless it could be a case of both. The Doctor having a clueless moment about humans, and the writers trying to address the race issue- but kinda failing with not seeing how bad it could come across. *shrugs*

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-06-12 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, good point! I should remember: never ignore the "a bit of both" hypothesis.

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