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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2010-12-04 10:34 am
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The real hero of s8?

Spike.

He turned up in the moment of need, knew what was happening, helped every way he could, never got distracted from the mission, refused to be caught up in any of the drama, and was written out going after a demon that would otherwise escape and cause havoc.

So, despite s8 trashing pretty much EVERYTHING I loved about the Buffy-verse (Spuffy included) it does leave me Spike the Champion intact. Which is more than I expected, to be honest.

(Not saying that others weren't good btw. Xander was pretty solid, Faith was awesome [even though I'm still grumbly about some aspects] and Andrew, bless his cotton socks, did well too.)
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[identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read the last issue yet, but I also think Xander was written so well. I mean he's finally treated as a main character since S3. And he did well all over the season.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Xacula by beer_good_foamy)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I just THIS VERY MINUTE, added that he - and some others - were pretty good too. I wish he'd had more to do, but he wasn't ruined! :)

[identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
Spike played Angel's role in S7, but did it much better. Unlike Angel, he actually acted more like himself.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (believe by buttersideup.)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
You mean his brain-washing by The First? Hmmm, interesting comparison. And one with a far superior outcome in that he overcame the evil that was controlling him. Plus, the root of the control was nicely complex and ambiguous too.

*deep sigh*

[identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I meant Angel's brief appearance in Chosen. Spike did the same thing in S8, but acted more like himself and not like a 12 year old.

*Spander icon because I love Spander*
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (facepalm by queen_lothiriel)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I see! *points to icon* Yes, that's very true. :)

[identity profile] thespikeofit.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay, thanks for cutting to the chase and defining the key positive from Season 8. I do suspect there is a correlation between limited involvement in the plot and escaping intact. We can but hope that we're not celebrating too soon and Joss hasn't got some awful reveal about Spike in issue 40.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Xacula by beer_good_foamy)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay, thanks for cutting to the chase and defining the key positive from Season 8.
My pleasure. :)

I do suspect there is a correlation between limited involvement in the plot and escaping intact.
Yeah, I think so too. Xander was fine, apart from the Dracula nonsense (which was by far the best thing about s8, it was just ridiculously OOC). Faith's arc only made sense if you dismissed what happened in S7. Andrew was fine, probably because he's so silly already. <3

[identity profile] adoxerella.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
No the real hero is you for trudging through all of the crap that was thrown at you by the writers. You're a braver woman than I am. I stopped after the first Faith arc and have no desire to go back and catch up.

PS: At some point when we both have time (which should be somewhere around March) I want to bounce a couple ideas off of your head and shamelessly exploit your greater Whoniverse knowledge. Of course first I have to get the rantings of my brain to work in English so I can ask the questions.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Eleven1 by eclecticmuse)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No the real hero is you for trudging through all of the crap that was thrown at you by the writers. You're a braver woman than I am.
Ah, but I got PAID!!!! (This will never get old. Never ever ever.)

At some point when we both have time (which should be somewhere around March) I want to bounce a couple ideas off of your head and shamelessly exploit your greater Whoniverse knowledge. Of course first I have to get the rantings of my brain to work in English so I can ask the questions.
*makes note in calendar*

[identity profile] adoxerella.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, but I got PAID!!!! (This will never get old. Never ever ever.)
Somehow, I missed that completely. I blame the fact that work has me completely bamboozled.

*makes note in calendar*
Mostly I am going to need you to listen to my idea and tell me I'm crazy. My stupid brain with its fondness for associating visuals.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Somehow, I missed that completely. I blame the fact that work has me completely bamboozled.
Oh it's very easy to miss stuff on LJ. (I suddenly thought that I could have an icon that said 'They had to pay me to get me to read s8!'. Heh.)

Mostly I am going to need you to listen to my idea and tell me I'm crazy. My stupid brain with its fondness for associating visuals.
Ooooh I'm there already!
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-04 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
How did you manage to get paid for that?

elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Xacula by beer_good_foamy)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I was asked by the people doing the Whedonistas book to write an essay on s8. Unfortunately it won't be included, but I still get paid. (Not much, mind you, but it's the principle that counts!) See this post for more details.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-12-04 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay Spike! And it's good to have someone other than me point this out.

I think there's a non-trivial chance that Spike shanshus in #40. Let's say 20% chance.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Spike: Asylum by kathyh)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay Spike! And it's good to have someone other than me point this out.
My pleasure. :) I always thought that Spike/Buffy couldn't survive Buffy's descent into OOCness and I was proved right. But somehow Spike escaped unscathed and I thought it worth mentioning. :) (Others did more, I shall readily admit, but most of them had major failings in the brain department at one point or other, or their background story was severely lacking.)

I think there's a non-trivial chance that Spike shanshus in #40. Let's say 20% chance.
Nah, I don't think so. If he's human they won't know what to do with him, and as for a nuanced exploration of his transition from vampire to ordinary human... yeah right.

[identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com 2010-12-05 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
But I want a nuanced exploration of his transition from vampire to ordinary human!!!

just not in s8.

I kind of want that they all dropped dead at the end, and then Joss (he can do an auto-portrait)can jump on the pile of bodies and do the Dance of Joy and sing Bwa-hahaha. And I'll be happy ;))
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (numfardance by wendylouwho.)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-05 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
just not in s8.
Word.

I kind of want that they all dropped dead at the end, and then Joss (he can do an auto-portrait)can jump on the pile of bodies and do the Dance of Joy and sing Bwa-hahaha. And I'll be happy ;))
Ahahahahaha! That would be fantastic! And look, here he is!
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[personal profile] yourlibrarian 2010-12-04 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
At this point it seems the best we can hope for. And honestly, I want him to stay far from the mess at this point.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Hard man (Puppet!Spike) by gillo)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-04 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I have this feeling of 'Hurrah he got away!!!' Although knowing that he'll show up in one of s9's special issues (or something, I'm not sure about the details) makes me worry again... :(
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (spike prize by dtissagirl.)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-05 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
:)

[identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com 2010-12-05 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Preach.

Spike is too good for this hot mess.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Spike - vampire by awmp)

[personal profile] elisi 2010-12-05 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
And I think he knows it too...
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