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I don't ship Spike/Cordelia, but...
Everyone should watch this vid:
Haunted by Astarte.
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sdwolfpup (when a vidder recs a vid, it's good to pay attention...) I downloaded out of curiosity. And OMG!!!1!!11!!!! I am *so* in awe of this vid! It's almost like a fic, in that it builds an AU where Spike and Cordelia are connected... oh, I don't know how to describe it, just go watch. It is so well made that it left me literally slack-jawed the first time - and still does now after many viewings. The cutting is so incredibly well done, that you'd swear they were in the same room! If you only watch one vid this year, let this be the one!
I was thinking about BtVS and Doctor Who and the differences between the shows. And why so many people loved the finale of Doctor Who, but not Buffy. There are many reasons for this, and I don't want to start arguments, but it occurred to me that DW is fundamentally shippy. (ETA: Only the latest series, I should add.) It's written as a shippy show. The writer even used the word 'soulmates' to describe The Doctor and Rose. On Buffy however that was never the case - Buffy was always about the individual character's journey. So Buffy and Spike completed their separate archs, whereas The Doctor and Rose completed their joint one. I think that makes sense...
Now one thing about Buffy is that very few people can see her happily settled with Mr. Ordinary. But re-watching 'Firefly' recently, I thought that this is actually very silly. Because one of the loveliest couples *ever* has to be Zoe and Wash. And right there we have a relationship between a 'warrior-woman' and a guy who's hopeless at fighting. But he has other talents and the marriage is obviously very strong. So I think that if Buffy found the right guy (who might very well be a shanshued Spike...) she could be very happy.
Haunted by Astarte.
Originally rec'd by
sdwolfpup (when a vidder recs a vid, it's good to pay attention...) I downloaded out of curiosity. And OMG!!!1!!11!!!! I am *so* in awe of this vid! It's almost like a fic, in that it builds an AU where Spike and Cordelia are connected... oh, I don't know how to describe it, just go watch. It is so well made that it left me literally slack-jawed the first time - and still does now after many viewings. The cutting is so incredibly well done, that you'd swear they were in the same room! If you only watch one vid this year, let this be the one!I was thinking about BtVS and Doctor Who and the differences between the shows. And why so many people loved the finale of Doctor Who, but not Buffy. There are many reasons for this, and I don't want to start arguments, but it occurred to me that DW is fundamentally shippy. (ETA: Only the latest series, I should add.) It's written as a shippy show. The writer even used the word 'soulmates' to describe The Doctor and Rose. On Buffy however that was never the case - Buffy was always about the individual character's journey. So Buffy and Spike completed their separate archs, whereas The Doctor and Rose completed their joint one. I think that makes sense...
Now one thing about Buffy is that very few people can see her happily settled with Mr. Ordinary. But re-watching 'Firefly' recently, I thought that this is actually very silly. Because one of the loveliest couples *ever* has to be Zoe and Wash. And right there we have a relationship between a 'warrior-woman' and a guy who's hopeless at fighting. But he has other talents and the marriage is obviously very strong. So I think that if Buffy found the right guy (who might very well be a shanshued Spike...) she could be very happy.
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I think you are right that the recent Dr Who series was quite shippy and that worries me (as a traditionalist Who fan) the show should be about the adventures in time and space I think the amazing chemistry between Piper and Ecleston was partly responsible for how in to the ship (which was actaully only hinted at on screen through affection and jealousy) we all got. I'm actaully hoping for a different, more traditional Dr/companion chemistry between Piper and what's his name? the new guy, as I think it has more staying power than UST.
Now one thing about Buffy is that very few people can see her happily settled with Mr. Ordinary.
I wonder if an element of this is because again the actor chemistry was so powerful between Marsters and Geller, something about the relationship really got to everyone. Spike could never be Mr Ordinary (we wouldn't like him if he was anyway) and so we can't see (don't want to see) Buffy with anyone else because how could it ever have the excitement of Buffy and Spike.
I've never seen firefly so i can't comment but perhaps if Riley had had any chemistry at all with Buffy we might have seen the whole thing differently, I believe the writters were always trying to make us see that a nice normal guy was exactly what she wanted and needed, but we wouldn't have it because it was oh so incredibly dull (or was that just Riely? :)
Wow - I ramble don't I? I'll stop now Sorry!
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I'm actaully hoping for a different, more traditional Dr/companion chemistry between Piper and what's his name? the new guy, as I think it has more staying power than UST.
That's very good point. I've never seen the older series, but from what I can gather the shippy thing is new. Looking forward to see where they're going anyway.
the actor chemistry was so powerful between Marsters and Geller, something about the relationship really got to everyone
Oh yeah. And I think for a lot of people the ship almost became the show, which is probably why do many people were disappointed with S7.
And Riley... hmm, I don't know. Actually
Sorry my brain refuses to work today. But re. Buffy's relationship with Riley, I can also rec Spring Summer's analysis of 'The Replacement' over at The Soulful Spike Society. (Go to 'Spikecentricity'). She's a much cleverer lady than me!