DW 5.03. Victory of the Daleks.

[elisi]

Not a lot of thoughts tonight. Dunno why. If I get any brilliant insights later, I'll let you know. (I've only watched it once, so you never know...)

- He calls her Pond! (And she continues to be awesome!)

- Love makes us human, not pain. (Oh Doctor! And Amy continues to be the perfect person for him right now!)

- He doesn't give Amy her own key. Interesting.

- Bob!!! (If you've not read Torchwood Babiez ( tw_babiez) you should do so now. Or sooner! And does anyone know where there are icons?)

- Jammie Dodger ftw! (It looked like a jam ring to me, although it was probably just historically correct...) And "Don't mess with me, sweetheart" was, without a doubt, the line of the episode!

- Dalek with tea tray! (This was *so* an Old Who shoutout. You see, in the very time the First Doctor met the Daleks, they kept him and his companions prisoners, and brought them food on a tray. FOUND A PICTURE! Many thanks to Sam.)

- Scottish Scientist was the sweetest thing ever.

- Amy does not remember the Daleks! The plot thickens! There is a crack in time! (I don't care to speculate, to be honest. I'm just excited. And abusing exclamation marks.)

- Mostly though... the Daleks are back! And (The Daleks in Manhattan apart, and that one is odd every way you look at it) every time they've appeared the Doctor has *defeated* them. (ALL of them OMG! They're all DEAD and GONE and will NEVER RETURN EVER! Trufax!) But - this time they got away, bigger and stronger and more multi coloured than ever. This could be interesting. *ponders*

- Oh, and like selenak mentioned last week, it was nice to see that it was 'the good guys' using Daleks.

ETA: There's all sorts of things about the choices the Doctor makes (and the callback to 'Dalek' and Nine were obviously there), but I just can't... well, think. I'm sure someone else will do a fantastic job unravelling everything, and I promise to link you!

Preview: River!!! (Eps 4 & 5 will be a two parter, yes? I expect them to be better than all the previous 4 & 5 two parters, if nothing else then because of River. Not that the standard is high...)

Comments

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

Old skool Daleks yay! I just hope this doesn't mean they're the big bad again... we've done that a couple of seasons now.

Though it annoyed me that the guy who played Churchill is the same actor who played the town crier on Rome. I kept waiting for him to wave his arms about and yell "All hail Gaius! Julius! Caesar!" And Stottish Scientist was Manny's dad from Black Books. (His mom played Amy's aunt - plot point? ;-) )

Also, this is one of those episodes where I'm really not sure what we're supposed to think of the Doctor's actions. I mean, if he'd just left them alone, there'd still just be three rather mangy Daleks. And if they'd kept the tech, they might have won the war sooner and saved a lot of people. Or if the Doctor had stuck around and continued to help out. Are we supposed to hold the Doctor responsible for not shortening the war, or is that just "Meh, family show, let's not get into that"?

[elisi]

Old skool Daleks yay! I just hope this doesn't mean they're the big bad again... we've done that a couple of seasons now.
My thoughts too! Although when talking about the finale, what people keep saying is 'OMG the Moff does insanely clever things with time!', so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

the guy who played Churchill is the same actor who played the town crier on Rome.
Having never seen 'Rome', this was not a problem for me. :)

And Stottish Scientist was Manny's dad from Black Books.
So that's why he looked vaguely familiar! (And now I'm humming that tune about the choo-choo train...)

His mom played Amy's aunt - plot point? ;-)
Doubtful. She's far more famous for 'One Foot in the Grave'. :)

Are we supposed to hold the Doctor responsible for not shortening the war, or is that just "Meh, family show, let's not get into that"?
*cough*WatersofMars*cough*

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

*cough*WatersofMars*cough*

True. Also, thought: last time the Daleks turned up, we saw stars going out. Darkness. Now, their worst weapon is turning on the lights. And the crack in reality is bleeding light.

Also, there were at least two more rather explicit continuity nods (apart from him telling Churchill to "exterminate" them, like Nine): the Doctor beating a Dalek up with a wrench is very similar (though far less efficient) to Ace beating up a Dalek with a baseball bat in "Remembrence of the Daleks" (where Seven ended up committing genocide and blowing up a planet), and the Doctor having to make a choice that will impact all that happens in the future isn't unlike Four's decision in "Genesis of the Daleks".

[elisi]

Also, thought: last time the Daleks turned up, we saw stars going out. Darkness. Now, their worst weapon is turning on the lights.
LOL!

And the crack in reality is bleeding light.
So it is...

Also, there were at least two more rather explicit continuity nods
Yes, Ace definitely came to mind (even though I only know about her and her baseball bat of DOOM from fandom), although I'm not sure about Genesis of the Dalkes - was that where he could have stopped them from ever being created? Because that would have broken all sorts of time rules...

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

was that where he could have stopped them from ever being created?

Yup:



"Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word 'Dalek'." Like Amy, then, hmmm?

[elisi]

"Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word 'Dalek'."
But the price was his morals, not all of Earth... (Still, excellent scene!)

Like Amy, then, hmmm?
Indeed. Hmmmmm. I love arcs! :)

[rahirah]

The rules of time travel have always changed with the requirements of the story at hand. :P

[elisi]

LOL!