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So where's s8 heading?

stormwreath made a point in his review of issue 9.

I've never read 'Fray', but he quoted this dialogue:

"It was some hundreds of years ago, in the twenty-first century. What we know is this - there was a battle. A Slayer, possibly with some mystical allies, faced an apocalyptic army of demons. And when it was done... they were gone. All demons, all magicks, banished from this Earthly dimension."
"And the Slayer? Did she--?"
"I do not know if she lived. But the demons being gone, she was the last to be Called."
- Joss Whedon, 'Fray'

It would seem very plausible that season 8 will lead up to that battle, esp given what the masked Twilight guy says.

(What did I say? It. Is. All. Story-driven!)

So... this made me think. First of all, I wondered about W&H, 'cause I can't see the Senior Partners easily giving up earth. Then I thought that maybe this would finally be that fabled apocalypse of theirs, and ooooh, what side *would* Angel be on? Then I thought that post-s8 fanfic would be like the most boring stuff ever: Buffy becomes a cop (just like predicted in WML!), marries... oh I don't know, Xander? Or Parker? And has some kids and hangs out with her friends.

But then I began thinking...

And here comes a teeny little fic, set post-season 8/AtF. Minor spoilers for the possible ending of both comics! *g*

And then what happened?

The portal closed behind them with a definitive crack, and Spike, Angel, Illyria and Connor looked around at the sun drenched landscape.

"So.. that's goodbye Earth, I take it?" Spike remarked, sighing.

"It would seem so," Angel replied, taking in the surroundings with a frown on his face.

"Why did they throw me out too?" Connor complained. "I'm human... ish."

"Your superior physical prowess threatened them!" Illyria answered, and Connor turned his head and shot her a speculative look.

"Guys... I think we're in Pylea," Angel said, and Illyria slowly nodded. "I concur." She tilted her head, assessing. "The cave where Fred lived is not far from here."

Connor's eyes suddenly lit up. "A cave? I grew up in caves. Want to show me?"

Blue eyes met blue eyes, and a small smile tugged at the God's mouth. "It would please me to do so."

Moments later they had vanished up the hill.

"Huh," Spike said. "That was quick."

He and Angel began walking in the direction of the town, and soon they came to a field where several people were busy harvesting.

"Angel!" A man exclaimed, and came towards them. He was no other than one of those who had helped storm the castle when Angel had been there last, and was now a member of the democratically elected government.

He and Angel chatted for a while, catching up, and finally Angel asked what they had done with the castle - did anyone live there or was it a government building now?

"Oh no," the man replied. "It would not be right for anyone to live so far elevated, and also it has many dark and unpleasant associations for everyone. Too much torture went on in there for us to ever be comfortable to use it."

Angel's eyes suddenly gleamed. "Does that mean we can have it?"

The man shrugged. "Sure."

Angel turned to Spike, smiling, and Spike's eyes narrowed. "What to you mean 'we'?"

Angel smiled even wider. "You look very pretty in sunshine..."

*

And they all lived happily ever after.

The End

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Glad there are three of us. I'm feeling more and more protective of season 7, the number of people I've seen slagging it off the last week.

Comic Book Buffy is similar to Buffy in her most General Buffy moments in season 7, but I really thought that after Touched and reconnecting with her friends, she'd got over all that. Eh, well.

Glad there are three of us. I'm feeling more and more protective of season 7, the number of people I've seen slagging it off the last week
Well there's

azdak too (whom I snagged this icon off - she had it made especially, but allowed me to use it). And have people been horrid about S7? I'm *so* glad I"m out of touch!

but I really thought that after Touched and reconnecting with her friends, she'd got over all that. Eh, well.
Exactly. Show us something new. (At least it provides good insights in how not to do it.)

Azdak defriended me fairly recently. Not sure why. Pity, if she's another season 7 lover, but it's up to her.

but I really thought that after Touched and reconnecting with her friends, she'd got over all that. Eh, well.
Exactly. Show us something new. (At least it provides good insights in how not to do it.)

People keep insisting that she hadn't really made things up with Faith and Giles by the end of season 7 to explain her behaviour in season 8, and I keep thinking, yes she had!

Azdak defriended me fairly recently. Not sure why. Pity, if she's another season 7 lover, but it's up to her.
Well I've not seen her post about the Buffy 'verse in forever, so maybe she's just moved on?

and I keep thinking, yes she had!
Absolutely. Not in a BFF way, maybe, but certainly enough for there to have to be a pretty big reason for the hostility they now display. Actually I was just thinking that if I only knew the comics, I'd have a very clear picture of what happened on the show: Buffy and Faith parted on bad terms, and Buffy and Giles' relationship was... actually I don't have a clue. Even its internal logic is flawed. Meh.

Even its internal logic is flawed. Meh.

I agree, though the people who like it are very ingenious and wanking it to make sense. Sometimes, I'm almost convinced, but never quite.

Have you seen

moscow_watcher's most recent post? BGF and I discussed that very point. :)

Yes, I read it.

I still can't believe the way that appalling art is being defended as deliberately appalling (or whatever).

Also, the thing with the axe? Until Moscow pointed it out I hadn't even thought of it, but now I can't understand how I missed it.

I still can't believe the way that appalling art is being defended as deliberately appalling (or whatever).
As I said somewhere, if that's the case it's the artistic equivalent of writing in caps locks. Or the Jaw's theme. Or (most of) season 1 of Torchwood.

A good artist can portray great emotional turmoil without relying on cheap tricks. *points to icon*

Edited 2007-12-10 11:19 (UTC)

We don't even know if it was a cheap trick. It may just be that Jeanty can't draw Faith.

I should try to be fair, though. I thought that on the whole, he drew Giles pretty well.

It may just be that Jeanty can't draw Faith.
In which case I almost wish he'd just made up his own, the way he did Buffy.

I thought that on the whole, he drew Giles pretty well.
And Xander and Willow are fine. Esp Willow.

Ah well. Thank goodness Urru is doing AtF.

God, yes! If Jeanty were doing it, we'd be reading The Adventures of 16 Year Old Angel and 12 Year Old Spike.

You saw his sketches of them, right?

You saw his sketches of them, right?
I did.

ETA: Meant to use this icon - no one would take these two for teens! *g*

Edited 2007-12-11 15:31 (UTC)

No. Mormon missionaries, maybe, but not teenagers.

:snap:

Heeee! Although I doubt Mormons go around arm in arm! :)

*snap*

:Shudder:

?

Or did you mean the thought of them as teenagers?

To be honest, I can't now remember. Probably.

Mormons don't make me shudder. Smile politely and slam the door in their faces maybe, but not shudder.

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elisi - 2007-12-13 07:34 (UTC) - Expand

People keep insisting that she hadn't really made things up with Faith and Giles

LOL, she let the woman sleep in her bed! She let her hold the Scythe! They'd probably never be Sister-like, but yeah, well on their way toward sort-maybe-kinda friends.

As for Giles, this is the guy who she forgave for systematically hypnotizing her, sticking a needle in her arm, lying about it, letting her continue to patrol in this state and subsequently playing a part in almost getting her mother killed. As far as betrayals go, it's hard to top. She forgave him for wanting to kill her sister! Did they not watch EOD? Chosen? They were totally on good terms.

I know. That's why the characterisation in the comic seems so regressive. It's not bad characterisation as such, just it misses too many things out and one shouldn't have to wank everything to make it work.

I dunno, I wouldn't even buy that. During Season 7, there's a direct buildup and hints in prior episodes, particularly Help as to why she behaves that way: To distance herself so she can do her job. Even then she couldn't quite do that because it wasn't who she was, hence her not being very good at it.

There really isn't any explanation for it in the comics, one of a good many things there isn't an explanation for.

During Season 7, there's a direct buildup and hints in prior episodes, particularly Help as to why she behaves that way: To distance herself so she can do her job.
Oh but don't you know? It will all be explained! *nods sagely* Because of course 18 months of character development can be easily summed up in issue 42.

Btw did you read

beer_good_foamy's post on s8 Dawn? Brilliant points!

Development? :P I think the word I'd go with is regression...expect Buffy was never like that. Assassination, maybe.

expect Buffy was never like that. Assassination, maybe.
After this latest issue, that's the way I'm leaning too. Next issue apparently she'll have a long talk with Willow, but I don't see how that could fix things - it's all just too badly broken. *is sad*

Have you read

shapinglight's Heroes in Hell btw? Wonderful S/B, and characterisations that are just utterly spot-on. It's the perfect anti-dote to s8! :)

(This is my thing - if the comics can't be as good as fic, then what's the point.)

OH! But see, it's Willow! She CAN fix anything, donchaknow?

It does seem that almost everything that happens needs a great deal of fanwanking to make it work at all.

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