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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2007-06-23 12:11 pm
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For the Spuffy fen...

‘Shadow Puppets’ issue 1 gives us what four issues of s8 haven’t.

Spike is weighing the options for and against going to Japan and taking out the new Smile Time puppets:



See? One line: ‘What if there’s an impromptu reunion with the Slayer while I’m away?’

It doesn’t stop him from going. I doubt she’ll be mentioned *at all* in the story to come. I *expect* Spike to hit on every hot-looking girl he comes across (and sleep with them if he can). But - we know that he thinks about Buffy. He might not imagine that he can actually ever have a future with her, and he might not ever try to look her up, but he does dream. She’s a part of his world, of his hopes for the future, whether those hopes become reality or not.

And none of this in any way compares to Buffy’s threesome fantasy. *That* was about sex - and heck, she had fantasies about sex with Spike before she slept with him. It tells us nothing about what she thinks or feels for either of the vampires in question, beyond the fact that she’d like to sleep with them again (and that she’s horny. That she loves them I’m taken as understood). Does she miss Spike? Mourn him? Does she even know he’s alive? Does she ponder a reunion, even if she’d not actually seek one out? We don’t know.

One line. One line is all it’d take. I don’t need a resolution, I don’t need a meeting or buckets of tears. Actually I'd really dislike buckets of tears. All I want is an acknowledgement that Spike matters(/mattered) to Buffy.

And what have I got? Buffy misses Teh Sex. *sigh* I much, much prefer the Buffy who’s dating The Immortal. At least she's getting some.

[identity profile] hesadevil.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
And what have I got? Buffy misses Teh Sex.
That's because she's a strong, empowered woman who thinks exactly llike Joss (who hasn't a clue about strong empowered women, other than they're really boys in skirts).

I really can't get excited about any of the comics, but admit that Shadow Puppets continues the Spike I saw on screen.

Glad the DVD arrived. I had a hilarious conversation with the gay, black, sub-postmaster about the fastest way to send it.

GBsPM 1st class 48p - probably will get there tomorrow.
Hesadevil Pigeon Post?
GBsPM *chuckle* How about Special delivery £4.20 - guaranteed next day delivery? What's the value of the contents?
Hesadevil Um - priceless, irreplaceable.
GBsPM It's Saturday, Special delivery might not deliver on Saturday. Guaranteed Saturday delivery, another £2.
Hesadevil - Pigeon Post it is, then.

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
>>I'd drawn a tentacle on the envelope for bogwitch...

Which I still have.

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly what I said I wanted, just one line!

I never expected it though, so I'm not disappointed.

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's not everyday I get tentacles in the post. :)

[identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
*snickers* I have a feeling he's just holding all 'ships at arms length, which is just silly. Refusing to acknowledge the past is never a good idea.

Nods. Acknowledging the past is part of character development IMO.

[identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
We know that he thinks about Buffy.
Well yes except that he seems to be thinking about her as some kind of chew toy he doesn't want Angel to get his teeth into when he's not there. If you need Spuffy subtext I'd rather have dreamspace Buffy's wierd overeaction to Ethan Rayne's Briticisms.

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I don't think either of the boys in the picture look particularly happy with the situation.

I have trouble imaging the threesome happening without constant arguing!

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I've toyed with Spike/Illyria/Angel, but I just can't quite get there.

[identity profile] mikeygs.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, would've been nice if there had been something, even if not from Buffy. The Kiss thing would have been perfect for at least some non-Buffy exposition in that area, to make it known if any of them know he's back other than Twerp.

I much, much prefer the Buffy who’s dating The Immortal. At least she's getting some.

What? You don't like post-Series Buffy who's secluded in a nunnery isolated castle filled with girls?

[identity profile] adoxerella.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Heck, I'm not even a Spuffy shipper and I liked seeing that line. You have to acknowledge the past if you are going to continue forward.

Although I am curious about what I saw as meta from the writer in light of the fact he's writing AtS6. Then again, maybe I'm over analyzing the cannon.

Also, if you spoil, check out IDWs website. There's a 5-page excerpt from issue two, which comes out 7/18. *twirls*

[identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
That's like saying Buffy only looks on Spike as a sexual convenience.
I thought that's what you were saying based on the comics :-)

I'm a facultative shipper, I'd rather see Buffy become her own cookie first.

[identity profile] sp23.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I never really gave that much thought, but you're very right. We went from complete normalcy (high school, dating, fights with parents, homework, making friends, finding independence) to a landscape with not one ordinary person appearing. Huh.

[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally agree that there needs to be something in S8 that acknowledges that Spike mattered to Buffy. (Like you, I don't need a big reunion. Indeed, I kind of like them both going on with their own lives.) But I'm not totally convinced that we aren't going to get some sort of mention. Spike is *conspicuously* absent. We have that whole page of Buffy's dreamspace filled with pivotal people/moments in her life. Angel, Riley, Joyce, Dawn, the Scoobies, Tara, Faith... Spike isn't there. There's no plausible world in which Spike doesn't figure into Buffy's life in a big way, Spuffy or no Spuffy. So I'm leaving room for the absence to turn out to be significant one way or another.

You could be right about Joss -- that somehow he went from the kind of writer who could create the complex Buffyverse in which characters develop in an intelligible way to a writer who is just mocking the various ships and going his own way regardless of the history of the characters he created and developed -- but I'll need to see more before I can draw that conclusion.

Meanwhile, I get my copy of Shadow Puppets today and I'm excited. Asylum was great!

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