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DW 9.05. The Girl Who Died
Sorry this is so late, and scattered/basic. But it’s been a busy week... Mostly I'm just skimming the surface, picking out the main things I can see, without delving below in any kind of detail.
OTOH then Vikings/Norse mythology is stuff I am good with. (Nordic girl here.)
The Girl Who Died
The first thing to note is that we are in a world where stories and dreams have power:
ASHILDR: You're back! All of you! Are all of you back?
NOLLARR: I suppose so, I haven't counted.
HASTEN: I'm back!
(Another, younger Viking hugs the girl.)
ASHILDR: I had a dream you'd all died. It was so real, I thought I'd made it happen.
NOLLARR: Well, if it ever does, I'm sure you'll a find some way to blame yourself.
I'm honestly not sure how to structure this. I want to do subheadings, but everything is connected... If I could contruct my posts in 3D, so I could show you how the connections look in my head, I would.
Ashildr
Her name means ‘Odin’s Valkyrie’ - or, to pick that apart a bit more:
Ashildr combines ‘As’ (god) and ‘Hildr’ (now ‘Hildur’ - it’s a common name in the Faroes), meaning ‘battle’. Hild, a Nordic-German Bellona, was a Valkyrie who conveyed fallen warriors to Valhalla. Warfare was often called Hild's Game.
The Norse gods were known as ‘Asar’ - that's where the 'As' comes from, and it’s the word that’ll mutate to ‘Os’, thus tying Ashildr in with Oswin (= god’s friend), Oswald (= god’s power) and Osgood:
Osgood comes from ‘Asgautr’ - composed of the elements ás ‘god’ + the tribal name Gaut (or Goth). (Gautr can also mean ‘creator’. Which would men that Osgood’s name would be ‘divine creator’. No wonder she doesn’t need a first name!)
So we have these three women, all tied together - and tied to the Doctor - by a shared name. And all of them hybrids in some way... Osgood of course has/had a Zygon double, Ashildr is now part-Mire and Clara... Well, she's probably Dalek-y and also somewhat Time Lord-y (nanobots in the Dalek; jumping into the Doctor's time stream probably left a mark somewhere etc.). We had the image of Ashildr with the Mire head seeing through their eyes, changing what they saw - definitely echoes of Clara inside the Dalek, although much more powerful parallels when we go back to Oswin.
Also, talking about hybrids, then Ashildr was one already:
ASHILDR: 'I've always been different. All my life I've known that. The girls all thought I was a boy. The boys all said I was just a girl. My head is always full of stories. I know I'm strange. Everyone knows I'm strange.'
But the most important part of that speech might be these words:
'But here I'm loved.'
She is strange, and odd - but accepted. Loved. And that is vital, and a lesson more people need to learn.
Tell a different story that's how you win.
('“As above, so below,” the injunction goes - a declaration that manipulating symbols and manipulating objects is, in some sense, the same thing. That a symbol and a thing are in some sense interchangeable.' Phil Sandifer)
Part of me wants to write a ton about Ashildr. The other parts of me are conscious of the fact that a) we only know half her story so far and b) there are only 4 hours until the next episode... So I'll leave it here.
Mind you, the very title 'The Girl Who Died' is all-over Clara.
Clara
First of all, Clara as Hanged Man (for the second time - she's up-side down in the opening shot), once more marking her as someone thinking through life, working out where they're at. ('This is the archetype to meditate on to help break old patterns of behaviour and bad habits that restrict you. The Hanged Man reflects a need to suspend action, and as a result, a period of indecision may be indicated. Decisions or actions that need to be implemented will be postponed, even if, at the time, there is a sense of urgency to act.') Her deep intent on travelling should maybe be seen in the light of this? An overt focus on her 'hobby' as she figures out what she actually wants.
Second, her mirroring. We can see the move from Magician's Apprentice to Witch's Familiar. Missy nearly gets her killed through ruthlessness/insanity, but Clara is a good pupil. We can see how she's absorbed the lessons in her little 'Work out how you're going to win' speech.
She is beginning to work very much like River - trusting him completely to find a way out. Clara's Missy-prompted: 'Because he always assumes he's going to win. He always knows there's a way to survive. He just has to go and find it.' is just another way of stating River's perfectly assured 'There's always a way out'.
(Also see my 'Missy & River are her Evil Stepmother/Fairy Godmother' thoughts in my previous meta.)
Third - spacesuit. It's the 'Waters of Mars' spacesuit again. (I'll get back to this in my Doctor section.) Last it appeared was 'Hide', which had all the mirrors ever. There, Eleven was showing it off, and Clara said it made her eyes hurt. (This time she shows it off herself.) Then, she grasped something fundamental about the Doctor as he stepped through human history ('We're all ghosts to you'), but now she has - a) scattered herself over his time line, and b) in many ways learned to see the world through his eyes. ('Oh, Clara Oswald what have I made of you?' the Doctor asks.) There's a fascinating short post here, looking at how the Doctor and Clara have almost swapped places here, when it comes to the Dr/companion dynamic.
I think abossycontrolfreak is onto something with her idea that Clara is going to become some kind of mythical figure. She is still human, yes, but there is all this talk of hybrids, and her mirrors are (have always been) the Doctor, Missy, River. She is a quantum creature, a hybrid [symbolically] from the start, a Companion apart.
Also, speaking of the spacesuit, her whole speak & spiel was pure Doctor, talking her way out of the situation. She claimed to *be* him in Death in Heaven, and she does a pretty good job...
The Doctor
So, Odin. First of all, this, because I realised that maybe not everyone has seen 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' and thus would not get the reference...
Also, I want to just briefly acknowledge the pure and utter craziness of the plot, and its resolution. <3 <3 <3 Darcy was spluttering going 'Electric eels don't do that!' and I was laughing, saying how this is the show that reverses the polarity of the neutron flow, AND THEN THE DOCTOR SAID THAT EXACTLY AND I NEARLY DIED.
Please take as a given that I loved all the silliness, the daftness, all the little touches. Instead of flailing I shall focus on mythology and mirrors.
Because oh, Odin... The two fake Odins. Except one wasn't a fake - or rather, his lie had layers. They both pretended to be a Norse god, but in reality the Mire leader was merely a warrior, whereas the Doctor can - in many ways - lay claim to god-hood of his own...
I like this website's summary of Odin:
Odin is one of the most complex and enigmatic characters in Norse mythology, and perhaps in all of world literature. He’s the chief of the Aesir tribe of deities, yet he often ventures far from their kingdom, Asgard, on long, solitary wanderings throughout the cosmos on purely self-interested quests. He’s a relentless seeker after and giver of wisdom, but he has little regard for communal values such as justice, fairness, or respect for law and convention. He’s the divine patron of rulers, and also of outcasts. He’s a war-god, but also a poetry-god, and he has prominent transgender qualities that would bring unspeakable shame to any traditional Norse/Germanic warrior. He’s worshiped by those in search of prestige, honor, and nobility, yet he’s often cursed for being a fickle trickster.
[...]
Whatever their social stature, the men and women favored by Odin are distinguished by their intelligence, creativity, and competence in the proverbial “war of all against all.” Whether such people become kings or criminals is mostly a matter of luck.
I'm sure the Doctor-y parallels are pretty obvious. ;) Also his wife, Frigg, is described as a goddess associated with foreknowledge and wisdom - which is so delightfully River-y that I'll just leave it here. :)
There is the one-eyed thing (I finally love the sunglasses!) - the 'real' Odin gave up an eye in exchange for wisdom. (Whole story here. We can also see this as another parallel to Davros, with his Third eye, giving up conventional sight. Plus, Dorium Moldovar as Mimir is amusing me now.)
Over 170 names are recorded for Odin. These names are variously descriptive of attributes of the god, refer to myths involving him, or refer to religious practices associated with the god. This multitude of names makes Odin the god with the most names known among the Germanic peoples. Here are a few that I picked out as particularly fitting with the Doctor:
- 'Father of men' (or of the age/world)//'Allfather'. Again, we see him as a father figure, this ties in with how he steals Davros’ seat in the opener, where of course Davros is ‘the father of all Daleks’.
- 'Delight of Frigg'/'Dweller in Frigg's Embrace' (just ‘cause I like it. River. <3)
- 'Father of Magical Songs'
- 'Wise One', concealer
- Wanderer or Wayweary
- Deceiver/Riddler
- Swift in Deceit, Swift Tricker, Maddener, Wise in magical spells
- God Protector
- Hooded, Masked One
There are so many! Also lots about war. But the name thing is important. (See A Good Man Goes to War and every instance of 'Doctor Who?')
However, as people know, he's also the god of the dead, his Valkyries collecting the [most worthy] warriors fallen in battle, bringing them to Valhalla. Also:
His mastery of necromancy, the magical art of communicating with and raising the dead, is frequently noted.
(This makes Under the Lake/Before the Flood relevant! Dead/resurrected people are a theme. Hurrah. It also ties in with Missy's storyline & the Nethersphere, and Danny. Bringing people back is not a good thing.)
Here, however, he literally becomes Odin; a god, raising the dead...
And of all the things I was expecting this season, this wasn't it:
You can see the Pompeii episode as foreshadowing for Water of Mars, if you like (the Doctor and Donna end up as literal 'household gods' to the Roman family they save), but to revisit the Doctor's Victoriousness now? Oh, I'm THRILLED. (RTD themes revisited by Moffat are like my favourite thing in the world.)
Because although people grow and learn, their flaws do not change. And oh, these two scenes echo each other beautifully:
CLARA: You did your best. She died. There's nothing you can do.
DOCTOR: I can do anything. There's nothing I can't do. Nothing. But I'm not supposed to. Ripples, tidal waves, rules. I'm not supposed to. Oh. Oh!
[...]
DOCTOR: To remind me. To hold me to the mark. I'm the Doctor, and I save people.
(He shouts at the sky - at the Time Lords?)
DOCTOR: And if anyone happens to be listening, and you've got any kind of a problem with that, to hell with you!
~
ADELAIDE: But you said we die. For the future, for the human race.
DOCTOR: Yes, because there are laws. There are Laws of Time. Once upon a time there were people in charge of those laws, but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? Me! It's taken me all these years to realise the Laws of Time are mine, and they will obey me!
[...]
ADELAIDE: Is there nothing you can't do?
DOCTOR: Not any more.
But the difference is that this time the Doctor knows enough, has come far enough to see himself clearly.
(x)
He's not going to go off like Ten did... But he still made the same kind of mistake.
Going back to the idea of hubris as one of the key-words for this season, and Clara & Twelve as Ten and Rose, we can see Twelve 'saving' Ashildr very much in the light of Rose saving Jack. Done out of the best of motives, but using power not quite within their control... And it looks like Ashildr will not be as forgiving as the good Captain. (I've tried to stay away from spoilers, so please don't tell me everything that'll happen tonight!)
OTOH then Vikings/Norse mythology is stuff I am good with. (Nordic girl here.)
The first thing to note is that we are in a world where stories and dreams have power:
ASHILDR: You're back! All of you! Are all of you back?
NOLLARR: I suppose so, I haven't counted.
HASTEN: I'm back!
(Another, younger Viking hugs the girl.)
ASHILDR: I had a dream you'd all died. It was so real, I thought I'd made it happen.
NOLLARR: Well, if it ever does, I'm sure you'll a find some way to blame yourself.
I'm honestly not sure how to structure this. I want to do subheadings, but everything is connected... If I could contruct my posts in 3D, so I could show you how the connections look in my head, I would.
Her name means ‘Odin’s Valkyrie’ - or, to pick that apart a bit more:
Ashildr combines ‘As’ (god) and ‘Hildr’ (now ‘Hildur’ - it’s a common name in the Faroes), meaning ‘battle’. Hild, a Nordic-German Bellona, was a Valkyrie who conveyed fallen warriors to Valhalla. Warfare was often called Hild's Game.
The Norse gods were known as ‘Asar’ - that's where the 'As' comes from, and it’s the word that’ll mutate to ‘Os’, thus tying Ashildr in with Oswin (= god’s friend), Oswald (= god’s power) and Osgood:
Osgood comes from ‘Asgautr’ - composed of the elements ás ‘god’ + the tribal name Gaut (or Goth). (Gautr can also mean ‘creator’. Which would men that Osgood’s name would be ‘divine creator’. No wonder she doesn’t need a first name!)
So we have these three women, all tied together - and tied to the Doctor - by a shared name. And all of them hybrids in some way... Osgood of course has/had a Zygon double, Ashildr is now part-Mire and Clara... Well, she's probably Dalek-y and also somewhat Time Lord-y (nanobots in the Dalek; jumping into the Doctor's time stream probably left a mark somewhere etc.). We had the image of Ashildr with the Mire head seeing through their eyes, changing what they saw - definitely echoes of Clara inside the Dalek, although much more powerful parallels when we go back to Oswin.
Also, talking about hybrids, then Ashildr was one already:
ASHILDR: 'I've always been different. All my life I've known that. The girls all thought I was a boy. The boys all said I was just a girl. My head is always full of stories. I know I'm strange. Everyone knows I'm strange.'
But the most important part of that speech might be these words:
'But here I'm loved.'
She is strange, and odd - but accepted. Loved. And that is vital, and a lesson more people need to learn.
Tell a different story that's how you win.
('“As above, so below,” the injunction goes - a declaration that manipulating symbols and manipulating objects is, in some sense, the same thing. That a symbol and a thing are in some sense interchangeable.' Phil Sandifer)
Part of me wants to write a ton about Ashildr. The other parts of me are conscious of the fact that a) we only know half her story so far and b) there are only 4 hours until the next episode... So I'll leave it here.
Mind you, the very title 'The Girl Who Died' is all-over Clara.
First of all, Clara as Hanged Man (for the second time - she's up-side down in the opening shot), once more marking her as someone thinking through life, working out where they're at. ('This is the archetype to meditate on to help break old patterns of behaviour and bad habits that restrict you. The Hanged Man reflects a need to suspend action, and as a result, a period of indecision may be indicated. Decisions or actions that need to be implemented will be postponed, even if, at the time, there is a sense of urgency to act.') Her deep intent on travelling should maybe be seen in the light of this? An overt focus on her 'hobby' as she figures out what she actually wants.
Second, her mirroring. We can see the move from Magician's Apprentice to Witch's Familiar. Missy nearly gets her killed through ruthlessness/insanity, but Clara is a good pupil. We can see how she's absorbed the lessons in her little 'Work out how you're going to win' speech.
She is beginning to work very much like River - trusting him completely to find a way out. Clara's Missy-prompted: 'Because he always assumes he's going to win. He always knows there's a way to survive. He just has to go and find it.' is just another way of stating River's perfectly assured 'There's always a way out'.
(Also see my 'Missy & River are her Evil Stepmother/Fairy Godmother' thoughts in my previous meta.)
Third - spacesuit. It's the 'Waters of Mars' spacesuit again. (I'll get back to this in my Doctor section.) Last it appeared was 'Hide', which had all the mirrors ever. There, Eleven was showing it off, and Clara said it made her eyes hurt. (This time she shows it off herself.) Then, she grasped something fundamental about the Doctor as he stepped through human history ('We're all ghosts to you'), but now she has - a) scattered herself over his time line, and b) in many ways learned to see the world through his eyes. ('Oh, Clara Oswald what have I made of you?' the Doctor asks.) There's a fascinating short post here, looking at how the Doctor and Clara have almost swapped places here, when it comes to the Dr/companion dynamic.
I think abossycontrolfreak is onto something with her idea that Clara is going to become some kind of mythical figure. She is still human, yes, but there is all this talk of hybrids, and her mirrors are (have always been) the Doctor, Missy, River. She is a quantum creature, a hybrid [symbolically] from the start, a Companion apart.
Also, speaking of the spacesuit, her whole speak & spiel was pure Doctor, talking her way out of the situation. She claimed to *be* him in Death in Heaven, and she does a pretty good job...
So, Odin. First of all, this, because I realised that maybe not everyone has seen 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' and thus would not get the reference...
Also, I want to just briefly acknowledge the pure and utter craziness of the plot, and its resolution. <3 <3 <3 Darcy was spluttering going 'Electric eels don't do that!' and I was laughing, saying how this is the show that reverses the polarity of the neutron flow, AND THEN THE DOCTOR SAID THAT EXACTLY AND I NEARLY DIED.
Please take as a given that I loved all the silliness, the daftness, all the little touches. Instead of flailing I shall focus on mythology and mirrors.
Because oh, Odin... The two fake Odins. Except one wasn't a fake - or rather, his lie had layers. They both pretended to be a Norse god, but in reality the Mire leader was merely a warrior, whereas the Doctor can - in many ways - lay claim to god-hood of his own...
I like this website's summary of Odin:
Odin is one of the most complex and enigmatic characters in Norse mythology, and perhaps in all of world literature. He’s the chief of the Aesir tribe of deities, yet he often ventures far from their kingdom, Asgard, on long, solitary wanderings throughout the cosmos on purely self-interested quests. He’s a relentless seeker after and giver of wisdom, but he has little regard for communal values such as justice, fairness, or respect for law and convention. He’s the divine patron of rulers, and also of outcasts. He’s a war-god, but also a poetry-god, and he has prominent transgender qualities that would bring unspeakable shame to any traditional Norse/Germanic warrior. He’s worshiped by those in search of prestige, honor, and nobility, yet he’s often cursed for being a fickle trickster.
[...]
Whatever their social stature, the men and women favored by Odin are distinguished by their intelligence, creativity, and competence in the proverbial “war of all against all.” Whether such people become kings or criminals is mostly a matter of luck.
I'm sure the Doctor-y parallels are pretty obvious. ;) Also his wife, Frigg, is described as a goddess associated with foreknowledge and wisdom - which is so delightfully River-y that I'll just leave it here. :)
There is the one-eyed thing (I finally love the sunglasses!) - the 'real' Odin gave up an eye in exchange for wisdom. (Whole story here. We can also see this as another parallel to Davros, with his Third eye, giving up conventional sight. Plus, Dorium Moldovar as Mimir is amusing me now.)
Over 170 names are recorded for Odin. These names are variously descriptive of attributes of the god, refer to myths involving him, or refer to religious practices associated with the god. This multitude of names makes Odin the god with the most names known among the Germanic peoples. Here are a few that I picked out as particularly fitting with the Doctor:
- 'Father of men' (or of the age/world)//'Allfather'. Again, we see him as a father figure, this ties in with how he steals Davros’ seat in the opener, where of course Davros is ‘the father of all Daleks’.
- 'Delight of Frigg'/'Dweller in Frigg's Embrace' (just ‘cause I like it. River. <3)
- 'Father of Magical Songs'
- 'Wise One', concealer
- Wanderer or Wayweary
- Deceiver/Riddler
- Swift in Deceit, Swift Tricker, Maddener, Wise in magical spells
- God Protector
- Hooded, Masked One
There are so many! Also lots about war. But the name thing is important. (See A Good Man Goes to War and every instance of 'Doctor Who?')
However, as people know, he's also the god of the dead, his Valkyries collecting the [most worthy] warriors fallen in battle, bringing them to Valhalla. Also:
His mastery of necromancy, the magical art of communicating with and raising the dead, is frequently noted.
(This makes Under the Lake/Before the Flood relevant! Dead/resurrected people are a theme. Hurrah. It also ties in with Missy's storyline & the Nethersphere, and Danny. Bringing people back is not a good thing.)
Here, however, he literally becomes Odin; a god, raising the dead...
And of all the things I was expecting this season, this wasn't it:
You can see the Pompeii episode as foreshadowing for Water of Mars, if you like (the Doctor and Donna end up as literal 'household gods' to the Roman family they save), but to revisit the Doctor's Victoriousness now? Oh, I'm THRILLED. (RTD themes revisited by Moffat are like my favourite thing in the world.)
Because although people grow and learn, their flaws do not change. And oh, these two scenes echo each other beautifully:
CLARA: You did your best. She died. There's nothing you can do.
DOCTOR: I can do anything. There's nothing I can't do. Nothing. But I'm not supposed to. Ripples, tidal waves, rules. I'm not supposed to. Oh. Oh!
[...]
DOCTOR: To remind me. To hold me to the mark. I'm the Doctor, and I save people.
(He shouts at the sky - at the Time Lords?)
DOCTOR: And if anyone happens to be listening, and you've got any kind of a problem with that, to hell with you!
~
ADELAIDE: But you said we die. For the future, for the human race.
DOCTOR: Yes, because there are laws. There are Laws of Time. Once upon a time there were people in charge of those laws, but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? Me! It's taken me all these years to realise the Laws of Time are mine, and they will obey me!
[...]
ADELAIDE: Is there nothing you can't do?
DOCTOR: Not any more.
But the difference is that this time the Doctor knows enough, has come far enough to see himself clearly.
(x)
He's not going to go off like Ten did... But he still made the same kind of mistake.
Going back to the idea of hubris as one of the key-words for this season, and Clara & Twelve as Ten and Rose, we can see Twelve 'saving' Ashildr very much in the light of Rose saving Jack. Done out of the best of motives, but using power not quite within their control... And it looks like Ashildr will not be as forgiving as the good Captain. (I've tried to stay away from spoilers, so please don't tell me everything that'll happen tonight!)
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Anything to do with vision is significant! They just did very little with them initially.
I think there is more going on between the Doctor and Ashildr then we are lead to believe.
Not sure what you mean by this, but will get back to it in my next review! :)
I'm still annoyed that Rose and Jack never had the chance to address his immortality.
Uh-huh. She never knew.
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Sorry. I was thinking besides the general use of sunglasses. Wearable technology is a common theme in some TV shows or movies. I guess it's more discreet than the sonic screwdriver(no sound?). I do like it when something can be used in a symbolic way or a metaphor. With the sonic screwdriver I instantly think of the Doctor.
I can't look at the Doctor wearing the sunglasses without thinking of that Mike Posner song "Cooler than me".
"Not sure what you mean by this, but will get back to it in my next review! :)"
You made me laugh.:D I didn't want to get too wordy so I decided to be cryptic and see what your response would be, then go from there. I was speaking in terms of how the Doctor reacted to Ashildr. Doesn't it seem like she is familiar to him?. Like his meet her before. That's my theory.
"Uh-huh. She never knew."
Rose's character pretty much dominated the Rusty era, even when she wasn't physically on the show. Probably to state how much she meant to the Doctor and that part gets left out?. Just a tiny scene would have been nice. The Doctor abandoned and rejected Jack in the beginning because of this. But maybe the Doctor left Rose out the loop because he decided to take responsibility for it. The same way he did with what happen to Amy in series 5.
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Ah. Sorry, my mind always goes to symbolism.
I can't look at the Doctor wearing the sunglasses without thinking of that Mike Posner song "Cooler than me".
I think of Corey Hart: Sunglasses at Night. :)
Doesn't it seem like she is familiar to him?. Like his meet her before. That's my theory.
This is actually addressed within the episode:
(They walk past Ashildr. The Doctor stops briefly and stares at her, then the warriors move them on.)
CLARA: You all right? Do you know her?
DOCTOR: Never seen her before in my life.
CLARA: Okay, so, why are you staring?
DOCTOR: I don't know. Nothing, probably. Too much time travel, it happens.
CLARA: What happens?
DOCTOR: People talk about premonition as if it's something strange. It's not. It's just remembering in the wrong direction.
Rose's character pretty much dominated the Rusty era, even when she wasn't physically on the show.
Ooooh yes. (I don't dislike her at all. But she was front & centre, even when she wasn't.)
But maybe the Doctor left Rose out the loop because he decided to take responsibility for it. The same way he did with what happen to Amy in series 5.
Well, he was the one to abandon Jack... Which was pretty shitty. With Amy, the Doctor knew he had screwed up her life, and went about trying to fix her as best he could. Yes he abandoned her, but it was an accident.
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No worries. It's good to see things from different perspectives.
"I think of Corey Hart: Sunglasses at Night. :)"
I thought of that too, but I think that line in "Cooler than me"-"You got designer shades, Just to hide your face ..."(like he did at first with hugs - hide his face suits him. The Eleventh Doctor wore "Sunglasses at night" in "Hungry Earth". The Tenth Doctor in "Planet of the Dead" sonic's his spectacle lenses black.
"This is actually addressed within the episode:"
I have a tendency to state the obvious. I though that conversation between Clara and the Doctor was pretty "nail on the head". I should have rephrased it differently or not bother to refer to it. I blame lack of sleep.
"Ooooh yes. (I don't dislike her at all. But she was front & centre, even when she wasn't.)"
I really liked her relationship with the Ninth Doctor and because she was so young I disregarded her selfish/immature behavior because that's a flaw anybody can have. However, I was disappointed when I couldn't see her relationship with the Doctor as healthy anymore. It compromised Martha's and Donna's story arc as well. She imprinted on the Doctor like nobody's business. That and because Rusty wrote it that way.
"Well, he was the one to abandon Jack... Which was pretty shitty. With Amy, the Doctor knew he had screwed up her life, and went about trying to fix her as best he could. Yes he abandoned her, but it was an accident."
I was annoyed with how Jack was mistreated by the Tenth. He only said sorry when Jacks unconscious. In Torchwood you literally see what poor Jack had to endure waiting to find the right time to find the Doctor hoping he could fix him.:(
I thought Jack handled himself well considering how mean the Doctor was being. Then Rose gets mentioned and it's all hugs?. This is why I'm conflicted when it comes to the Tenth Doctor. All I can remember is him making a decision on the grounds of not liking something and because he could.
Amy had a right to be tick off too but at least the Eleventh Doctor handled that better. Learning from past experience?. Probably.
Isn't it ironic that now when the Twelfth Doctor had good intentions for giving someone immortality even though he should have known they would be dire consequences, he is made accountable for it. Yes, he was desperate not to lose someone else but because Ashildr was not a fixed point like Adelaide in "Waters of Mars" he thought it would be fine.
Maybe he should have consulted Jack further on the consequences of being immortal but in a way the Doctor should have considered this himself because after all his biology allows him to have a long life span. Funny how the Doctor can still manage to stay ignorant despite his knowledge.
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Well, I'm not familiar with the other song - and I only know the Sunglasses at Night because of that vid. But yes, the lyrics are excellent - esp the 'hide your face'. Very apt.
I should have rephrased it differently or not bother to refer to it. I blame lack of sleep.
Ahhh. And no worries. This is the problem with written communication - it's difficult to add nuances.
She imprinted on the Doctor like nobody's business. That and because Rusty wrote it that way.
Yeah, I hear ya. I like it when things are complicated, but with Rose there was often a sense that the more troubling things were being swept under the carpet. Oh! Sorry to keep throwing vids at you, but they're so good at summing stuff up. Blackout is probably the best Doctor/Rose vid out there, and it still gives me shivers. (If you look through the comments, you'll find me flailing...)
I was annoyed with how Jack was mistreated by the Tenth. He only said sorry when Jacks unconscious. In Torchwood you literally see what poor Jack had to endure waiting to find the right time to find the Doctor hoping he could fix him.:(
Ten was massively, massively screwed up. Not that the excuses it, but it does explain somewhat.
All I can remember is him making a decision on the grounds of not liking something and because he could.
*nods* You're not wrong... (I like Ten because he was a hot mess? Feel free to find me weird.)
Amy had a right to be tick off too but at least the Eleventh Doctor handled that better. Learning from past experience?. Probably.
Very much so. Also Amy DEMANDED he fix things. Jack didn't.
Isn't it ironic that now when the Twelfth Doctor had good intentions for giving someone immortality even though he should have known they would be dire consequences, he is made accountable for it. Yes, he was desperate not to lose someone else but because Ashildr was not a fixed point like Adelaide in "Waters of Mars" he thought it would be fine.
Well... He's still an idiot at times. Anyway. The Woman Who Lived meta has been posted!
Maybe he should have consulted Jack further on the consequences of being immortal but in a way the Doctor should have considered this himself because after all his biology allows him to have a long life span. Funny how the Doctor can still manage to stay ignorant despite his knowledge.
Well, I suppose it makes for an interesting show. ;)
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during that time or shortly after. Maybe it was a alpha male thing with Mickey and Jack.
However, he didn't treat Martha very well. He even had a go at her for working in unit with people who used guns. Lucky Martha threw it back in his face with the fact he recommended her to them.I notice that the Tenth Doctor does have this tendency to contradict or be a hypocrite.
Another example was with the way he reacted to founding out Rose was working with Torchwood calling her "Defender of the Earth". Compare that to when he found out Jack had his own Torchwood Team. Jack had to justify himself.
It kinda makes me wonder how much Rose influenced his regeneration.
Sure she made him more sociable with human, but did she influence his emotional state as well?. Then that would mean Donna had to counterbalance that affect.
I can understand the allure of Ten (I'm a DT fangirl). I'm just stating the conflict of his actions. It looked like they incorporated David Tennant's capability for portraying characters with psychological problems
into the Doctor. If you had to deal with someone like that in real life you would get frustrated with them.
Anyway, in regards to fanvids, I don't mind the links. There's a fanvid I like of Rose and the Doctor by Placebo called Every You, Every Me but I can't find the link anymore. It was a while ago. But the lyrics seem appropriate.
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AMY: Then why do you keep coming back for us?
ELEVENTH DOCTOR: Because you were the first. The first face this face saw. And you're seared onto my hearts, Amelia Pond. You always will be. I'm running to you, and Rory, before you fade from me.
It looked like they incorporated David Tennant's capability for portraying characters with psychological problems
into the Doctor.
You have seen Angel, so I can link you to my (not very long): Why Ten is like Wesley meta. :)
There's a fanvid I like of Rose and the Doctor by Placebo called Every You, Every Me
That rings a bell... Might have seen it. Although I'll try to have a look around for it.
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I thought as much but I couldn't think of another way to acknowledge it. I was discussing about how Rose influenced the Doctor in good and bad ways right?.
Is that the Eleventh quote referring to the fact that his memories or feeling towards his former champions change when he regenerates?. Anyway I prefer that quote in comparison to:
The Doctor: There was a crack in time in the wall of your bedroom, and it's been eating away at your life for a long time now. Amy Pond, all alone. The girl who didn't make sense. How could I resist?
Just read your: Why Ten is like Wesley meta, and I can say they went through similar acts of desperation and darkness. Before reading it, I would have just thought Westley was getting some character development like Cordelia. When he was introduce on "Buffy" he seem two dimensional, compared to "Angel" where we got an in depth view of how far he would go if the stakes were high.
When Ten was first introduced he seemed all cute and cuddly but it was stated that if you get on his bad side he makes you pay for it. What he did to Harriet, that was just a snippet of how dark he could go. When I saw that scene, I was thinking at that moment that I wasn't always going to like this version of the Doctor. I thought Rose should have questioned him on it but we all know why she didn't.
Initially Wesley was suppose to be some kind of antagonist to Giles, but the writers decided instead to explore two ways of making him go dark side on "Angel" instead.
One of his own doing, the other wasn't.
(1)His behavior when he thought Angel would kill Connor
(2)When he tried to murder Fred after becoming supernaturally misogynous.
The last scene between Westley and Fred, he was so remorseful. She can hear him crying through the door, almost knocks, then decides to leave him be is so sad.:(
Ten was always conscious of his own decisions. His smile was sometimes a facade. That's why I found him a tiny bit more scarier. He was quite stubborn. But then he is also an alien so it depends on your perspective.
I think that song/fanvid "handlebars" sums up Ten most of the time. I played that song on a car ride with my brother and he thought it sounded similar to an "Eminem" song. It starts out lighthearted than escalates to angst.
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Yes, basically. She was good, but also quite immature. And dear god, did he have issues, but she was his ticket to just running away from it all.
Is that the Eleventh quote referring to the fact that his memories or feeling towards his former champions change when he regenerates?
I think it's more to explain how he feels towards Amy at that moment. That she is, essentially, a part of him, that she influenced who he became on a very very deep level. A lot like he influenced her - they 'grew up together'. With Rose (and I have discussed this in detail with... darn, I forget the name - anyway, Ten's issue was that he wanted/tried to be human, subconsciously modelling himself on Rose, because she was what saved him.
Before reading it, I would have just thought Westley was getting some character development like Cordelia
I think Wesley vies with Spike for the character who has the longest journey, character-wise.
When I saw that scene, I was thinking at that moment that I wasn't always going to like this version of the Doctor. I thought Rose should have questioned him on it but we all know why she didn't.
I once summed up RTD (RTD's Doctor Who) in 25 words:
EVERYONE IS A MONSTER, EVEN THE DOCTOR. EXCEPT HE IS WONDERFUL, BECAUSE HE'S THE HERO. [error error does not compute and Bowie Base One explodes]
It's rather meta, but I am very pleased with it because there is that push-and-pull within Ten's character. He's the good guy, but he does terrible things. What he did to Harriet is a brilliant example. Oh, and I found this Tumblr post which also highlights that same thing. (Ten was, basically, a bit of a hypocrite.) It makes for an interesting character, but I often had the uneasy feeling that RTD was writing himself into corners. Whereas with Eleven, his hypocrisy is tackled head-on. (Most specifically in AGMGTW.)
The last scene between Westley and Fred, he was so remorseful. She can hear him crying through the door, almost knocks, then decides to leave him be is so sad.:(
Oh god yes, that was awful. :(
I think that song/fanvid "handlebars" sums up Ten most of the time. I played that song on a car ride with my brother and he thought it sounded similar to an "Eminem" song. It starts out lighthearted than escalates to angst.
Handlebars is THE vid.
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In the old series he was running away from the Time lords and responsibilities in general.
While in the new series he was running away from the pain of committing genocide.
Rose was his way of escapism. The Doctor would probably find any excuse to run. Although with Twelve it's not literally running more like trying to avoid or reluctant to deal with matters that made him uncomfortable. but I'm sure he still has that drive to do so. It's just apart of who he is.
Unlike me. I avoid running when I can because I have bad stamina.
Eleven treated Amy in a older brotherly/paternal kind of way. He always saw her as the little girl he first met.
Whereas Amy grew up idolizing him but eventually treated him like family (we didn't see much of hers).
I like the innocence of their relationship. Despite that scene (You know what I'm talking about). Technically Amy at one stage became his mother-in-law. But I prefer her ending compared to Roses. I know I'm a little harsh on Rose but just like you said Rusty wrote himself into a corner.
I seen some people said Ten was TOO human and probably thought it was Mr Tennant's portrayal. Which was ironic because Donna was the only one who never forgot he was alien.
Ten had suicidal tendencies after losing Rose and lost the plot after losing Donna. The message on the show says the Doctor shouldn't travel alone but that rule is made for ten the most because he was more emotionally "damaged" even more than Nine.:(
Eleven was constantly reminded of any mistakes he did as Ten and the reason he reverted back to being more "alien". Twelve sometimes has that air of authority that Ten use to wave about. Eleven looked "baby face", he would go all shout more to get his message across. He even states it on too occasion's.
"Do I just have a face that nobody listens to?!"(Eleventh Hour)
"There is no self-destruct! Hey? Hey? Hey? Had you going there, boys, didn't I? I just wiggled a few buttons, yeah. The old "wiggly button" trick. And the face, you've got to do the face. "Save her or we all die." I thought I rushed it a bit, but..."(Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS)
In general on any action/drama show where the lead character does something unethical to get the desired outcome, it's suppose to be okay because they are the "hero"/good guy.
The viewers are meant to except it because the story is from their point of view. If you try to see it from another perspective it wouldn't feel right. That's what creates conflict.
When I first saw that "Handlebars" fanvid of Ten, I was at least reassured I wasn't just seeing things that I disliked about him. Ten really needed a coping mechanism besides having a champion around. I was conflicted between wanting to hug him or slap him.
Angel The Series
Ah Spike! He was funny even when he was bad.:). He fell in lust/love with Buffy without having a soul. That's quite an accomplishment. When Angel had no soul, his love for Buffy turned into obsession. Stalking and trying to torment her. Whereas Spike was passionate or at least express his feeling's way more than the average vampire would. Do you remember the scene when Spike was dumped by Drusilla?. I don't know if I was suppose to think it was funny, but I did when Spike tried to fall on top of a stake to kill himself because of that chip in his head.:D. I thought there was no way the writers would get rid of him like that.
I liked the Angel/Cordelia relationship until Connor grew up. There was no major conflict when he was still a baby.
Even Darla got to be more than just the former lover/vampire. I guess that was the point of the spin-off. To explore these characters further.
I liked that Fred was introduced, because you know more "girl power" on the show. It was needed to balance the testosterone on the show.
No offense to Gun but I can't or at least I don't remember how him and Fred got into a relationship to begin with. I could understand Fred possibly being a calming influence on him but that's it. I did sympathize with his backstory but I think that was intentional. I probably have to re watch or look it up.
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Heee. Yes, I dislike running too. And well - there are two aspects to the Doctor's running. One, he's running away from something (Time Lords, genocide, whatever), Two, he's running towards new thing, new experiences, new people. He's not good with routine. (I'm married to someone like that...)
I know I'm a little harsh on Rose but just like you said Rusty wrote himself into a corner.
Rose's ending was... well, RTD wanted to give her 'a Doctor of her own'. The execution was just off.
I seen some people said Ten was TOO human and probably thought it was Mr Tennant's portrayal. Which was ironic because Donna was the only one who never forgot he was alien.
I have loooong essay here dealing with that. Although the first part (The Lonely God) delves into Ten's issues in particular. (If you're curious.)
When I first saw that "Handlebars" fanvid of Ten, I was at least reassured I wasn't just seeing things that I disliked about him. Ten really needed a coping mechanism besides having a champion around. I was conflicted between wanting to hug him or slap him.
Yeah, that vid just nailed it. And generally I like morally compromised heroes. (See my love of Angel.) However, that's not who the Doctor is supposed to be. I came to the show without any preconceptions (since I never watched it growing up etc.), and it wasn't until Eleven showed up that suddenly something clicked. This is who the Doctor is supposed to be. Like a picture snapping into focus. :)
No offense to Gun but I can't or at least I don't remember how him and Fred got into a relationship to begin with.
Both Gunn & Wesley fell for Fred. She chose Gunn. (Not anything to add to all the rest, also am SO LATE. Life...)
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Before I use to metaphorically run away from certain things in life because I had anxiety. Nowadays I only run when I'm late for something.:)
Rose's Doctor.
I can only see Rose getting a "Doctor of her own" as some kind of compensation attempt. I think even Rose was happy that the Doctor sprung this on her. Even Buffy and Angel knew when to call it quits.
The Lonely God Essay.
I read it and now I can move on from my outlook of Ten. I though Eleven only reverted back to being "alien" because of what happened when he was Ten. When River was telling him off in "A Good Man Goes To War", I felt she should have been saying that to Ten. Funny that she was not impress by Ten at all when he meets her for the first time.
The Gunn/Fred/Wesley Love Triangle.
I remember three things:
(1) Wesley having an affair with Lilah.
(2) Wesley and Fred kissing
(3) Fred dying in Wesley's arms and becoming Illyria.
Thats it.
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Before I use to metaphorically run away from certain things in life because I had anxiety. Nowadays I only run when I'm late for something.:)
:) A much better kind of running!
I can only see Rose getting a "Doctor of her own" as some kind of compensation attempt. I think even Rose was happy that the Doctor sprung this on her. Even Buffy and Angel knew when to call it quits.
Heh. Although I like Rose/TenToo, and have written several stories about them. (And none, really, about Rose & Ten.) Their dynamic is much more interesting, since it's not something they chose, and since TenToo is human. It wasn't a good ending, but as a flawed thing to explore - I'm there!
Funny that she was not impress by Ten at all when he meets her for the first time.
Ten was a wee tiny young thing, no wonder she didn't take to him... ;)
The Gunn/Fred/Wesley Love Triangle. I remember three things
This amused me far more than it probably should.
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Like I said I have bad stamina, so running excessively wears me out. If I know the bus driver isn't going to wait for me, I just catch the next one.
Amy Pond: Can we not do the running thing?.
I made an error. I think I meant to say that Rose WASN'T happy about getting TenToo as some consolation prize. She was obviously confused and hurt that the Doctor was leaving her behind on a beach again!. TenToo has Donna's DNA, so he was suppose to have her aspirations to settle down.
Sometimes I think it is not ideal to make comparisons between Rose and Buffy because the latter had different life experiences and that contributed to her being more mature than Rose, even though they are about the same age.
I can understand Rose being shocked when the Doctor changed into a different man. After he finally saves the day, she is willing to believe in him again. I think the fact she still found him attractive was a bonus for her. Especially after seeing how Clara deals with the same scenario. But once again. Different people can have different reactions to the same situation.
Wesley and Gunn didn't get along at first. It had to take Angel going AWOL for them to be so "chummy". Then the next source of conflict had to be around a girl. Not that Fred is just some girl but why couldn't they just get on without a major issue?. Oh, the drama!.
I apologize in advance if I'm being repetitive because I sometimes forget what I had previously mentioned to who about what.:)
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Why is life so BUSY?
Amy Pond: Can we not do the running thing?.
I can very much relate to that...
I made an error. I think I meant to say that Rose WASN'T happy about getting TenToo as some consolation prize. She was obviously confused and hurt that the Doctor was leaving her behind on a beach again!.
Oh I got that! :)
TenToo has Donna's DNA, so he was suppose to have her aspirations to settle down.
Here's to hoping. Although I've written a good bit about the two of them. I think they're interesting.
Sometimes I think it is not ideal to make comparisons between Rose and Buffy because the latter had different life experiences and that contributed to her being more mature than Rose, even though they are about the same age.
Also Buffy is the main hero, and Rose - a lot of the time - is the one who helps.
Especially after seeing how Clara deals with the same scenario. But once again. Different people can have different reactions to the same situation.
I'd say the situations are rather different - I've no idea how Rose would cope with Twelve. Certainly not as brusque as he was initially. (That's an interesting thought though...)
Then the next source of conflict had to be around a girl. Not that Fred is just some girl but why couldn't they just get on without a major issue?. Oh, the drama!
Well, then Wesley stole Angel's son, so there *were* other things. ;)
I apologize in advance if I'm being repetitive because I sometimes forget what I had previously mentioned to who about what.:)
No worries. And sorry about the lateness of my replies. Life! /o\
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Because of responsibilities and the fact we don't have a time machine to put commitments on hold.
Poor Amy. Running while pregnant would be difficult. Rory should have found some mode of transport for Amy instead of just running off with the Doctor. Maybe a segway?.
I'll never agree with the end of Roses storyline but if RTD wants me to believe that Rose and TenToo are like two peas in a pod, then thats the only logic I can find out of it. I think I've have read too many fics where Tentoo runs off to find Donna or Alt Donna.
RTD was considering doing a spin off with Rose: Defender of the Earth at one stage but rejected the idea. Probably because it would have focused on Rose in the other dimension with Tentoo. Which would mean David Tennant would have had to commit to it as well. Too bad. It could have been an opportunity to see Rose develop into a mature woman. But I get why it didn't pan out. He could have done a cartoon version of it. They did that with K-9.
If Rose have had to deal with Twelve, I don't think she would have been attracted to him especially when he was so grumpy. Could you have imagine her reaction if she had seen the Doctor regenrate into a woman?. Moffat has made it canon since the Master became Missy.
Rose + Mickey, Adam, Jack = Nine Jealous.
Ten + Sarah Jane & Reniette = Rose Jealous.
I think Moffat was trying to make Clara's reaction to the Doctors regeneration a little different by implying that she did flirt with Eleven but will tease him over other women like Tasha Lem the galantic nun. She was also exposed to the Doctors biology compared to Rose like in "The Day of the Doctor".
She also had her doubts and didn't give up on their partnership. But once they re-established their friendship, it was Clara going overboard with being the Doctor that became the source of conflict.
In regards to Wesley, I only meant his interaction with Gunn in general.
(1) Personality clash.
(2) Fighting over Fred.
The conflict with Angel was way more serious. I did not like the whole false prophecy trope that made Wesley look misguided. I guess there had to be some source of major fall out within the group. He suffered a cut throat for it. They did a similar story line on "Xena".
I didn't like the rapid aging trope so Connor could sleep with Cordelia when not that long ago she was bottle feeding him. I only kept watching for how the characters would deal with the situation. Then Jasmine came along.
Any feedback from you is fine by me. Whenever you have the time.:)
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I should probably have marked that as a rhetorical question... ;)
Poor Amy. Running while pregnant would be difficult. Rory should have found some mode of transport for Amy instead of just running off with the Doctor. Maybe a segway?
LOL. Although they're not very safe... I'd not recommend it for a pregnant woman.
I'll never agree with the end of Roses storyline but if RTD wants me to believe that Rose and TenToo are like two peas in a pod, then thats the only logic I can find out of it. I think I've have read too many fics where Tentoo runs off to find Donna or Alt Donna.
Well, he was never attracted to Donna... The main issue, I think, would be the one
It could have been an opportunity to see Rose develop into a mature woman.
Mmmmm. This is one of my alltime favourite fics, written before Journey's End, obviously: Signature Piece. (One of my other favourites is this one: Five times the Doctor tried to get rid of Rose Tyler (and one time he succeeded) (which is very tongue-in-cheek.)
Could you have imagine her reaction if she had seen the Doctor regenrate into a woman?. Moffat has made it canon since the Master became Missy
Please tell me you have seen 'The Curse of Fatal Death'? (It's from... 1999, and although a comedy piece something every Whovian ought to watch. Moffat at his finest.)
I think Moffat was trying to make Clara's reaction to the Doctors regeneration a little different by implying that she did flirt with Eleven
Jenna once broke everyone's hearts by saying that Clara realised she was in love with the Eleventh Doctor the moment before he regenerated.
She also had her doubts and didn't give up on their partnership. But once they re-established their friendship, it was Clara going overboard with being the Doctor that became the source of conflict.
Yup.
I did not like the whole false prophecy trope that made Wesley look misguided.
Ah, but was it false? Angel DID kill his son. (I do love that show... <3)
And yeah, the Cordelia mess. Apparently Joss got angry with Charisma for getting pregnant. :(
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I put a question mark because I couldn't think of another mode of transport besides a wheel chair. There are all sorts of motorized/personalized vehicles around and yet none of them are one hundred percent safe. In Australia NSW, hover boards are banned
I saw a montage of people, including police who fell off a segway. If I had to use one I would be wearing a helmet and navigating it very slowly. In the "Runaway Bride" commentary, David Tennant was complaining that he wasn't allowed to use the key for the faster setting when riding the segway.
Ten just wanted a mate after what happened with Martha. While Donna was too busy stating how much he wasn't his type:
*He* is too skinny for words. You give him a hug you get a paper.
*... I mean, you're just a long streak of nothing, y'know, alien nothing!
I read a fic where Donna mistakes TenToo for the original Doctor and all he wanted was to hug her one last time before he went back to Rose. I think TenToo would miss having Donna in his life.:(
Is the Comic Relief scenario of regeneration canon?. I knew of it but I've never seen it properly. Did it have Jennifer Saunders in it?.
I figured Clara fancied Eleven but I didn't think it went that far. They made fun of it in "The Caretaker".
Clara assumed the responsibility of the hard choices was up to the Doctor and he was too harsh sometimes. I wonder what would have happened in "Kill The Moon" if it was written with Eleven?. When Clara came around to Twelves way of thinking she did a one eighty because:
(1) She was addicted to traveling on the TARDIS.
(2) She couldn't handle losing Danny.
Did Angel kill his son?. I don't remember that bit. Do I need to rewatch?. I thought Connor lived?.
That's unfortunate to hear about Charisma's pregnancy. Maybe Joss though that Cordelia being impregant twice didn't fit with his plans?. But it would be hard for Charisma to avoid pregnancy unless she was under contract.
On the show "Bones" they had to speed up the unresolved sexual tension between Booth and Brennan after Emily Deschanel became pregnant.
In the old series Mary Tamm, who portrayed the first Romana left on her own accord because she became pregnant.
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This is the problem with writing... You can't get any inflections in!
In Australia NSW, hover boards are banned
In the UK, you're only allowed to use them 'on private land', not on roads or pavements. (And a teenager was killed last week, I think, when his hoverboard took him under a bus.)
In the "Runaway Bride" commentary, David Tennant was complaining that he wasn't allowed to use the key for the faster setting when riding the segway.
No wonder. Although I know the staff use them in Copenhagen airport (inside!), which seems a brilliant idea - there's no traffic, and the place is huge.
I read a fic where Donna mistakes TenToo for the original Doctor and all he wanted was to hug her one last time before he went back to Rose. I think TenToo would miss having Donna in his life.:(
Oh yes. Hang on... Romantic (With A Lowercase R) (TenToo/Rose with brilliant Doctor/Donna friendship.)
Is the Comic Relief scenario of regeneration canon?. I knew of it but I've never seen it properly. Did it have Jennifer Saunders in it?.
Well Doctor Who doesn't have a canon, but since it's incompatible with the TV show, I guess it's AU. Very very funny, and of course written before the show returned. And no, not Jennifer Saunders, but Joanna Lumley and Julia Sawalha. <3
I figured Clara fancied Eleven but I didn't think it went that far. They made fun of it in "The Caretaker".
It was just a way to stab us all in the back. ;)
I wonder what would have happened in "Kill The Moon" if it was written with Eleven?
Hmmmm. Good question. I think it's one of those episodes that's just fundamentally a 'Twelve' story.
Did Angel kill his son?. I don't remember that bit. Do I need to rewatch?. I thought Connor lived?.
Well he cut his throat and wiped his memories. (Yes, he lived. But 'killed' can be may things. The prophecy at the end of S4 said that one of the companions would die, which turned out to be Donna...)
But it would be hard for Charisma to avoid pregnancy unless she was under contract.
You can't contract people not to get pregnant. :( And obviously it's awkward from a story perspective, but life happens...
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Julie Gardner was also doing "The Runaway Bride" commentary and she was focused on the safety issues of the segway. The way David Tennant was thinking of the segway as something fun, reminds me of my brother who gets excited over new toy cars. Despite the fact that he actually drove all sorts of cars as a valet when he worked in a hotel. Boys and their toys.
A man was fined for riding his hover board back and forth on his driveway. Although I saw in my local shopping mall that they are still selling this product. I guess someone didn't give them the memo. My brother was considering getting one until I showed him the news story of how dangerous it is. At the moment he uses a small scooter for short distance travel when he is not driving his car.
In Australia the reason for why hover boards are banned is because those who ride them cannot engage with pedestrians safely. We also have issues with how bike riders engage with motor vehicle drivers in traffic. There still seems to be a "us" versus "them" mentality.
The main concerns are:
(a) A bicyclist cannot keep up with the speed of the traffic with motorist
(b) Bicyclist are not obligated to the road rules like registration or other technical terms.
(c) A motorist may not have a visual of an oncoming bicyclist.
A woman was struck down by a bicyclist running a red light and all he got was a measly $64.00 fine. He didn't have to pay for her medical bills which included dental work and her rehab for other injuries. She still has to work through a report with the police. If she had been hit by a car, the motorist would have been made fully accountable.
A bicyclist was killed after someone opened their car door which pushed him against a moving truck. I still see people disregard these safety measures when they open their car door.
So once again more rules have to be implemented because people are still not getting the message about road rules. Its not just about etiquette, its also about life and death. It is disappointing when people are impatient and create road rage instead.
That's why as a pedestrian I'm quite paranoid about crossing the road and double check before I open my door to get out of a car. I almost got run over once because a motorist did not indicate. I had right of way!.
Wow. I've come a long way from just talking about Amy Pond trying to avoid running because she was heavily pregnant.
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How delightfully organised! :)
Boys and their toys.
Indeed.
My brother was considering getting one until I showed him the news story of how dangerous it is. At the moment he uses a small scooter for short distance travel when he is not driving his car.
I can't see the attraction, personally. (But then I like walking...)
We also have issues with how bike riders engage with motor vehicle drivers in traffic. There still seems to be a "us" versus "them" mentality.
Oooh yes.
So once again more rules have to be implemented because people are still not getting the message about road rules. Its not just about etiquette, its also about life and death. It is disappointing when people are impatient and create road rage instead.
*nods*
I almost got run over once because a motorist did not indicate. I had right of way!.
But they're bigger... :(
Wow. I've come a long way from just talking about Amy Pond trying to avoid running because she was heavily pregnant.
I think my rambling icon needs to get another use. (And I've had that since they released a preview clip from Vampires of Venice - from that scene - before S5 even started. I loved it so much I had a friend make an icon, but the image quality isn't great since there were no proper screencaps.)
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My brother is a bus driver now. So he goes on small walks just to get exercise. The scooter came in handy when his car broke down and he had to leave it at work. I worry for his safety when he finishes work after dark.
It is one thing for someone to almost run me over with their car. But it is quite another to give me a look like I'm some crazy pedestrian?.
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I am EXCELLENT at putting a positive spin on things!
But it is quite another to give me a look like I'm some crazy pedestrian?
Well, here's to hoping they don't kill someone before realising that pedestrians are people too...