Aaaah, fandom...

[elisi]

Sometimes fandom throws out the wonderfullest lines. Such as this question:

You have experience decapitating with a xacto knife? ;-)

It being the latest in a growing discussion of AOQ's review of FFL.

There's also a guy (3D master) who's so anti-Spike that he's made himself a whole new theory about him, that fits with pretty much nothing of canon. *shakes head in amusement*


Also I just realised that I've yet to show off my new icon! st_salieri found it hidden on her laptop. Isn't it brilliant? Salieri is very clever! :)

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[calturner.livejournal.com]

I've just been reading the FFL thread, and couldn't believe some of the things that 3D Master was coming out with! Some people have some weird ideas... :)

Love the icon! :D

[elisi]

My mind was in danger of breaking from the contortions it had to go through. It's nice that they allow someone with mental problems to spend a little time online though! *g*

I've been looking for the icon for ages. I'm so pleased she found it. :) It's a shame I can't use it on the newgroup... although it of course hugely spoilerish.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

Brilliant icon!

[elisi]

Thanks! :) Feel free to snag. (And yours is superb too! I need to re-watch 'Destiny' like *now*!)

[frenchani.livejournal.com]

Great icon!

I just read the review, not the comments so tell em...Did anyone coment on:

They're not like you and I," comes from William.
(Poets don't bother with proper grammar.)

Because 3 years ago I started a whole grammar war on the Internet about that "like you and I"! The funny thing was that it wasn't a war between Americans and Brits since the war divided North America as well as British Isles!

Nobody agreed on that at the time. I even asked my colleagues who taught English and started a new kerfuffle between them at school with it!

I have been told by an English friend that the use of "me" was actually not proper grammar for a long time until recently. A scottish colleague who taught English seconded that, but another teacher said that the use of I was a mistake.

[calturner.livejournal.com]

"I" was always the proper grammar when I was at school. The use of "me" was a definite no-no! I still find myself using "you and I" rather than "you and me" even now. *g* In the England of William's time I would have thought that "you and I" would definitely have been the proper way of saying it. :)

Of course, I could be wrong...

Fun with grammar

[rahirah]

"I" is one of the few words in the English language retaining a few of its old case endings, and most kids today aren't taught what a case is. Because "You" is correct for both the singular and plural second person pronoun, many people get confused. "You and I" is hammered into their heads as the correct nominative case that they hyper-correct and use it for the objective case as well.

But there's an easy way to determine the correct case for compound subjects and compound objects: break "They're not like you and I," up into "They're not like you," and "They're not like I." The latter is clearly wrong; it should be "They're not like me." On the other hand, if the sentence were "You and __ should go to the park," then "I" would be correct, because "You and I" is the subject of the sentence.

(For further headaches, note that I'm using the correct but almost-completely-abandoned past subjunctive mood of "to be" in the sentence above--nine out of ten speakers of American English will probably tell you that it should be "if the sentence was 'You and I.'")

[elisi]

Did you see what you started? My LJ turned into an English lesson! With cows!

[frimfram.livejournal.com]

That icon's marvellous - nearly as marvellous as your journal header, which I've just seen when clicking on to post this comment. How long have you had that? It rules!

Did you think Spike told Buffy everything we saw onscreen? I assumed not. I'd love to see a fic with the dialogue she heard.

[frimfram.livejournal.com]

I mean to say "onscreen during Fool For Love."

[elisi]

I only put up the banner yesterday, so you're not out of touch at all! And I've meant to use that banner for ages and ages, just never got round to it. It's made by killmebecomeme if you're curious. (And the icon's sharable, btw)

And are you back? Because I'm bouncing to see you. :)

Re. you FFL question (and I knew what you meant, even before I saw the extra comment) then no, I think Buffy got a very edited version of Spike's early life. (And yes a fic would be awesome!)

[desoto-hia873.livejournal.com]

I just read 3D Master's comments. Wow, what show was he watching??

[elisi]

I don't know. Oh! Maybe he's the same guy frelling_tralk was talking to the other day. (See this post.)

Some people... *shakes head*

[mbangel10.livejournal.com]

Hee! I'm catching up now and whoa! There were like 30 posts when I left for work this morning, now it's at 137. I've got a lot of reading to do. Also, I just read AOQ's response to Burt1 and squee! he agrees with me. :giggle:

Why do I get such a kick out of this stuff? LOL

Also, I think AOQ is quickly realizing that a review focusing on Spike soon equals a thread a mile long.

[elisi]

AOQ strikes me as a very senisble guy, even if he has a weird sense of humour. And I'm glad he seems to choose the middle road where us sane people live! :)

Why do I get such a kick out of this stuff? LOL
Dunno but I'm hooked as well. And I'm actually going to engage with them by posting a real post - how do you think they'll react?

a review focusing on Spike soon equals a thread a mile long.
As you pointed out in your post - funny that! :)

[mbangel10.livejournal.com]

Oh dear lord. The insane 3D_Master is replying to my post. Well, isn't that special. Sigh... always gotta have a crazy one joining in the fray. This should be fun.

[elisi]

Funny how he refuses to reply to people who point out that he's WRONG! *shakes head*

[petzipellepingo.livejournal.com]

Just popping over before I have to run out the door for more bloodwork (blah!) by if you talk to frimfram again would you just say that while I would never tell her to come back if her heart isn't in it, I always smiled when I saw her name in my flist and she will be missed. If you keep in touch with her please let us know from time to time that she is well and happy.
TTFN.

[elisi]

I guess you saw frimfram's post, so this reply is a bit obsolete... let's hope her life takes an upswing!

[http://users.livejournal.com/peasant_/]

Are you talking about this:

Indeed, not to mention of course that in School Hard, Spike is said to
be "just over two hundred". From a Watcher compiled book, that took
great pains to get his human name "William the Bloody", which was
apparently just a nickname given to him by some posh dipshits because he
was so bad a poet. Which incidentally would make him older than
Drusilla. Here he's suddenly barely over a hundred and Drusilla sired
him. You should guess that if they managed to get that nickname given to
him by a lot of digging, they'd realize they were looking in the wrong
century for the nickname.

Anyway, apparently, those posh dipshits like to say they rather get
railroad spikes rammed through their brains instead of listening to
William's poetry. Hmm, usually when someone makes such claims, the event
you rather have happen, is unlikely, but usually actually possible.
What's the point in claiming something rather happens to you, if it
can't happen? That's like saying; I rather go flying than cycling, and
unless you're Superman that doesn't make much sense. So it seems that
either there have been accidents where workers got spiked with railroad
spikes through the thread (seems unlikely to me), or someone has been
torturing people with railroad spikes.

Wonder who that was... well, actually, we kinda know, don't we?
Especially since the book identified Spike as the railroad spike
torturer, and they bothered to name him "William the Bloody". Why would
you identify him by "William the Bloody" if it's just his poetry that
got him that name? Wouldn't you just call him William
Whateverhislastnameis? The only reason why you identify a human before
demon vampire by the name "William the Bloody" is if HE is that railroad
spike killer. Not the vampire, the human.

Which was originally of course the implication why he went 2 for 2 (at
least) with Slayers; he was already a powerful, deadly fighter, and
super dangerous serial killer that got amped up by a vampire demon.

Interestingly; his statement to Angelus: "Have you forgotten what you do
with Slayers? You kill them." heavily implies that BOTH HE AND ANGELUS,
have killed quite a few more Slayers than just 2, the one who wrote the
book just didn't know of it and/or there were Slayer kills after the
book was written. Given how old the book was that Giles read from;
that's pretty possible, of course now it's JUST the two kills, and one
of them in 1978 LONG after the book was written that Giles read Spike's
abbreviated history from.

Actually I think that is a really clever and original attempt to reconcile the various inconsistencies in canon. He's obviously not going to find many takers, but you have to admire his invention. It's amazing what people will come up with.

[elisi]

That's the one. It's utterly ingenious, and I'm very impressed! Although his 'superman' argument is so ridiculous that I don't have the words to describe it. Thankfully someone else did:

> >> 3D Master (3d.mas...@chello.nl) wrote:

> >> > Than how come Buffy knows to parrot Cecily "You're beneath me"?
> >> > It's more likely he told the truth, "I've always been bad!" we
> >> > just didn't get to see the "bad part". Those posh dipshits
> >> > claimed they rather get a railroad spike through their heads
> >> > than listen to his poetry. Why? When you claim something like
> >> > that, it isn't very powerful if you claim something that
> >> > can't/doesn't happen at all. Seems a railroad spike (serial)
> >> > killer was already active.

> >> I'd rather have a poisoned dart shot through my eyeball than have
> >> you make this bizarre argument again.

> > You take this stuff *way* too seriously.

> Dude, if there were random poisoned dart attacks in your city--as my
> post clearly indicates must be the case in mine--you'd take it
> seriously too.

Best post of the day, 294th best since I've been here.

-AOQ

[lmbossy.livejournal.com]

love the icons ... I can definitely pic my favourites, but it takes all of them for it to be Spike *g*

Haven't read the discussion on FFL, however the grammar discussion here was an interesting read :)

[elisi]

it takes all of them for it to be Spike *g*
That's it! :)

The FFL discussion is *endless* (510 comments by now I think...), but I've been following the grammar discussion with interest. English is a hard language sometimes!

[lilachigh.livejournal.com]

Having read the whole list of posts in horrified terror, I am now too traumatised to write another word of dialogue again! Thank heavens I was born English and never had to learn the wretched language. I bet someone’s going to start on use of semi colons soon!

[elisi]

Bwah! As someone who had to learn English in school, I have to say it's not so very complicated - I just ignore the stuff I can't understand and shower my beta reader with praises!