elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Mock!Bangel by crackers4jenn)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2006-04-27 04:50 pm

This is interesting...

As you know (?) I've been following AOQ's Buffy-verse reviews. Apart from a bizarre sense of humour (didn't like "Band Candy' f.ex.), he has some very good thoughts generally (and he loved 'Pangs' so all is not lost...). Anyway, he's now watched 'I Will Remember You'.

(Funniest comment from someone quoting David Hines:
This episode should have come with commemorative towels. The shippers could have used them to mop up drool, tears, and other bodily fluids as appropriate. The rest of us could have soaked 'em, rolled 'em up, and given the writers a much-deserved rat-tailing they'd never forget.)

Anyway, AOQ gave it an 'Excellent' (his top mark), but that doesn't mean that he's a B/A shipper at all:

And of course, see the way he [Angel] does it: once again it's a unilateral decision, making choices "for their own good" without consulting his better half, and ultimately cutting Buffy out of the loop entirely. The early scenes of the episode serve to not-so-subtly suggest that she wouldn't like that, if she could remember it happening. Beyond the plot-based reasons that our lovers can't be lovers, this hits at a character-based obstacle, a fundamental difference in attitudes.

From a reply to someone else:
one of the reasons I loved it is that it proved to me that Angel's the reason the two of them shouldn't be together in the long run - who he is, not what he is.

And about Angel generally:
So far he's shown an interesting mix of overconfidence in his own abilities (both physical and decision-making), the notion that he's the one who needs to deal with every problem, and the belief that his presence is a problem or liability for people, so the solution for everything is for him to take himself out of the picture. Call it a martyr complex.

I'm *really* looking forward to seeing what he thinks of the rest of the 'verse!

[identity profile] spikeylover.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry for writing all over your LJ but it just occurred to me..

Chicken Wings = Spicy Hot Wings=Spike in FFL..


[identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, the food is so symbolic.

Cookie dough ice cream in IWRY repeated with ice cream after Flooded and cookie dough Buffy in Chosen.

Hot wings in FFL repeated with fried chicken in Life Serial.

Willow's cookies in Something Blue repeated with cookie Buffy in Chosen.

Buffy's low fat yoghurt in Faith, Hope, and Trick repeated with Angel disliking only the yoghurt in IWRY.

Are there any more? What does the ice cream in TGiQ represent?

[identity profile] spikeylover.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
There was Ice cream in TGIQ???

[identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
In TGiQ when Spike and Angel first arrive at Buffy and Dawn's apartment there are three apparently empty pints (half-litres, I suppose) of ice cream and a dirty spoon on the coffee tables. It helps to see it if you have frame advance and you're writing an obsessively detailed FITB (WIP with target date of 30 April).

[identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
(I wrote a chapter about the props in Buffy's aparment and I didn't even work in most of the art on the walls. But I have an idea to use that in another fic. Oooh, and the funky windows deserve a saga of their own.)

[identity profile] spikeylover.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Then she is doing the Angel Ice Cream thing with The IMMORTAL, and there's a possibility that she doesn't know that Spike is alive.

[identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Is that the Angel Ice Cream thing where it represents angst over Buffy after Flooded or where she's licking it off his chest? Darla says that the chest and the eyes are the Immortal's best attributes.

Or is it the Ice Cream thing where you indulge when you finally get what you really want in IWRY?

I figured it was probably just ordinary ice cream therapy and added back a few pounds Buffy lost in later seasons to reflect the choice of comfort food, but that was before considering the meaning of ice cream symbolism in AtS.