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This is interesting...
As you know (?) I've been following AOQ's Buffy-verse reviews. Apart from a bizarre sense of humour (didn't like "Band Candy' f.ex.), he has some very good thoughts generally (and he loved 'Pangs' so all is not lost...). Anyway, he's now watched 'I Will Remember You'.
(Funniest comment from someone quoting David Hines:
This episode should have come with commemorative towels. The shippers could have used them to mop up drool, tears, and other bodily fluids as appropriate. The rest of us could have soaked 'em, rolled 'em up, and given the writers a much-deserved rat-tailing they'd never forget.)
Anyway, AOQ gave it an 'Excellent' (his top mark), but that doesn't mean that he's a B/A shipper at all:
And of course, see the way he [Angel] does it: once again it's a unilateral decision, making choices "for their own good" without consulting his better half, and ultimately cutting Buffy out of the loop entirely. The early scenes of the episode serve to not-so-subtly suggest that she wouldn't like that, if she could remember it happening. Beyond the plot-based reasons that our lovers can't be lovers, this hits at a character-based obstacle, a fundamental difference in attitudes.
From a reply to someone else:
one of the reasons I loved it is that it proved to me that Angel's the reason the two of them shouldn't be together in the long run - who he is, not what he is.
And about Angel generally:
So far he's shown an interesting mix of overconfidence in his own abilities (both physical and decision-making), the notion that he's the one who needs to deal with every problem, and the belief that his presence is a problem or liability for people, so the solution for everything is for him to take himself out of the picture. Call it a martyr complex.
I'm *really* looking forward to seeing what he thinks of the rest of the 'verse!
(Funniest comment from someone quoting David Hines:
This episode should have come with commemorative towels. The shippers could have used them to mop up drool, tears, and other bodily fluids as appropriate. The rest of us could have soaked 'em, rolled 'em up, and given the writers a much-deserved rat-tailing they'd never forget.)
Anyway, AOQ gave it an 'Excellent' (his top mark), but that doesn't mean that he's a B/A shipper at all:
And of course, see the way he [Angel] does it: once again it's a unilateral decision, making choices "for their own good" without consulting his better half, and ultimately cutting Buffy out of the loop entirely. The early scenes of the episode serve to not-so-subtly suggest that she wouldn't like that, if she could remember it happening. Beyond the plot-based reasons that our lovers can't be lovers, this hits at a character-based obstacle, a fundamental difference in attitudes.
From a reply to someone else:
one of the reasons I loved it is that it proved to me that Angel's the reason the two of them shouldn't be together in the long run - who he is, not what he is.
And about Angel generally:
So far he's shown an interesting mix of overconfidence in his own abilities (both physical and decision-making), the notion that he's the one who needs to deal with every problem, and the belief that his presence is a problem or liability for people, so the solution for everything is for him to take himself out of the picture. Call it a martyr complex.
I'm *really* looking forward to seeing what he thinks of the rest of the 'verse!
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Excellent! Oh - and it was his concern that Buffy would die that made him give up his humanity in IWRY! I really, really, really like your theory! (And of course 'settling down being happy ever after' was as utterly impossible for Buffy at the beginning of S6 - she'd been torn out from utter bliss, and even a 'dream life' with Angel must have felt like a burden!)
You only have to tempt me so many times.
Yay! And don't worry I don't usually force stuff on people at all,
and I was too lazy to write out the main pointsbut it just seemed to be relevant to what we've been talking about recently."It could never be just a hello," is a good line and right in place in their relationship.
Thank you! The whole thing was pretty much built around that line. (And I found it very odd that B/A shippers liked it too - I mean of course I did my very best to be neutral, but they obviously want something from relationships that is far different from what I'm looking for!)