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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2012-02-05 06:16 pm
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I <3 Tricksters

This afternoon we came across Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (that's the orginal one with Gene Wilder) as we channel hopped, and I was struck by how perfect a Trickster character Willy Wonka is. (I don't have time to delve further, and I'm sure you don't need me to. I mean, just look at this clip!) ETA: OK, couldn't help myself. Had to embed this...



Also, I've been meaning to pull out these parts of Mark's review of LotR (from Chapter 6 of The Two Towers). He might not be analytical, but he is reflective:

It was interesting to me that Théoden harked on a single point: that Gandalf always brought about bad news, bad tidings, or bad luck. Wormtongue, who appears to be some sort of assistant or official counsel to the King of the Mark, makes the same point, though he adds that Gandalf meddles. Even if this is ultimately shown to be an attempt by Wormtongue to thwart Rohan, I still think there’s some truth here. Gandalf really does meddle! He is a brilliant wizard and he’s rarely shown to be wrong, but he appears in people’s lives, changes them, and then leaves. I would actually be happy to see Tolkien address this further myself.
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I was impressed with Gandalf’s decision to allow Wormtongue to live and choose his fate, and it’s something that relates to what I brought up earlier. Gandalf meddles, yes, but he leaves people with a choice. He did this with Bilbo in The Hobbit, and he did it with Frodo at the beginning of the book, and now he gives Wormtongue a choice.

Which in turn reminded me that I wanted to post this:



(I don't know who made it, but isn't it awesome?)

[identity profile] paratti.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Quoted for truth:)

[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee, I love the Trickster, and you clarified why Gandalf was my favorite character in the LoTR books...he truly was like that.

The Trickster is always about making your own destiny, your own choices, and changing your own path.

*Willy Wonka gives each child the choice on how to deal with the world of the factory

*Spike chooses his own destiny, and tells Buffy to do the same. F**K Destiny, says Spike, I'll take my own path. You don't rule me. The anti-Angel. (Angels have no choices, while humans do in Christian mythology.)

* Doctor Who - the madman with the box, who offers each companion the choice to ride with him, and the consequences. Willy Wonka in his Great Glass Elevator reminds me a lot of Doctor Who. Hmmm...which came first Wonka or Who?

*Rumplestilskin of Once Upon a Time - asks each customer, what do you choose?
He makes a deal with them.

The Trickster cheats fate. He/She makes deals. Gambles the odds. And sets their own agenda. Opportunistic, meddlesome, wily, you never quite know where or what they will do next - just that it will be interesting.

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2012-02-06 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Plus: Usually travellers, a love of colourful clothing & hats, an affinity with language & music, plays games, a fool or mad, witty & charming, often magical and - most importantly - not the hero, but the one kickstarting the story, and often the one telling it too. <3

If I recall my anthropology classes correctly, they also have a habit of crossing all sorts of social boundaries. I think my professor mentioned Bugs Bunny as a specific example, crossing gender boundaries (and generally acting even more outrageous on the other side). And to the Doctor, as near as I can tell, there are no class boundaries. If anything, he's more brusque and impatient with kings than he would be with some Cockney Victorian chimney sweep (if only because he'd try to rescue the chimney sweep). (To be fair, Rose was doing most of the sassing in "Tooth and Claw," but I think it might have been because she'd just realized that social boundaries don't exactly apply to companions either, and went a bit giddy over it.) He talks to adults as if they're children and children as if they're adults.

And, of course, in several incarnations, he can be reliably found right inside your personal space.
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[identity profile] redjaywrites.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
All HAIL the original Wonka! Actually, now I'm seeing Gene Wilder, I really want to watch Young Frankenstein....
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2012-02-06 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
There needs to be crackfic where Willy Wonka is the child of Eleven and River.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2012-02-06 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
And Wonka hates it when River stops by. "No guns in the factory, Mom!"
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2012-02-07 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, oh, and that's why he has the Great Glass Elevator--because Dad will never let him borrow the TARDIS.

Some of the things IN the factory, however, have been supplied by Eleven and the TARDIS. Like the Oompa Loompas. Eleven showed up with them all one day. "C'mon, Willy, they've got nowhere else to go. And I promised I'd find them a new home, after that horrible business with the Hornswogglers."

Sometimes Eleven comes to hang out in the fun part of the chocolate factory (the room where everything's edible) when he gets depressed.

He tried to take Charlie as a companion once, but Wonka put his foot down.