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Because I totally called it.
So, looking back on 'old' stuff can be very satisfying...
On the 12th of June I wrote this:
This face? Is my smug one. ;)
And speaking of predictions, I wrote this 5 days later (17th of June):
There will be meta. (Its half-written already, and oh, the parallels are *glorious*. Effulgent, even.)
Anyway, this is what I've been saying for ages re. Moffat: Follow the metaphors, and they'll see you through. <3
ETA: Oh, and there will also be a post (mostly consisting of quotes) about how the Doctor and Rover are like Peter Wimsey and Harriet. Really, it's downright embarrassing the extent to which I always fall for the same couple... My kinks, they are consistent.
On the 12th of June I wrote this:
Now taking into account that River being Amy and Rory's daughter was the 'obvious' answer to the question, and tied almost everything together beautifully, I'll say this:
- River kills the Doctor.
- He is 'the Good Man' whose murder lands her in prison. (The 'Good Man' who went to war was the Doctor.)
- She is the person in the space suit. (She was in it once already.)
Now I don't know, or understand, how this will work. Like, AT ALL. Logically it makes zero sense. But storywise, she was created to bring him down and she is the one to tell him exactly how he's going wrong.
This face? Is my smug one. ;)
And speaking of predictions, I wrote this 5 days later (17th of June):
River is TOTALLY [going to be] the Spike of the Whoniverse.
I can feel it coming (and it's already here in some respect):
River fans: Disgruntled that her whole story revolves around the Doctor.
River haters: Disgruntled that the whole show revolves around her story.
There will be meta. (Its half-written already, and oh, the parallels are *glorious*. Effulgent, even.)
Anyway, this is what I've been saying for ages re. Moffat: Follow the metaphors, and they'll see you through. <3
ETA: Oh, and there will also be a post (mostly consisting of quotes) about how the Doctor and Rover are like Peter Wimsey and Harriet. Really, it's downright embarrassing the extent to which I always fall for the same couple... My kinks, they are consistent.
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This does not disgruntle me at all. xD
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And no, it doesn't bother me either... ♥
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"I _do_ have this growing feeling that River and the Doctor will end up pitted against each other somehow- whether by the Doctor's actions themselves, or some kind of outside force/circumstances.
But because they are ~enamoured with each other, they see themselves as fighting _for_ the other's best interests, not against them.
If so it would mean what Moffat has been saying all along - that they adore each other but it's complicated - is...the simple truth."
I mean that was basically TWoRS. XD
>>River fans: Disgruntled that her whole story revolves around the Doctor.
Actually, it seems to be less the fans that are disgruntled [although some are] and more the haters and the anti-Moff brigade [because OMG SEXISM!!11] it doesn't bother me much either- because River breaks her brainwashing and decides how she's going to interact with the Doctor on her *own* terms. In fact she pretty much has HIM on a leash, coming whenever she calls.
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Yes. Yes it was. (You've been incredibly spot-on btw. I'm in awe.)
Actually, it seems to be less the fans that are disgruntled [although some are] and more the haters and the anti-Moff brigade [because OMG SEXISM!!11]
Oh yes. But I've seen enough 'I used to love River, but now...' to think the pattern holds.
it doesn't bother me much either- because River breaks her brainwashing and decides how she's going to interact with the Doctor on her *own* terms. In fact she pretty much has HIM on a leash, coming whenever she calls.
'Heel, boy!'
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>>'Heel, boy!'
Yes<3 love this quote:
"I think one of the things which is nice about this is putting the Doctor absolutely on the back foot, ‘cause he does like to prat about and show off a bit and he likes to be “The Doctor!” and be fantastic – and someone just comes along and “manages” him. [...] She adores him and as far as she’s concerned, she’s meeting the boy version; the one who isn’t quite there yet. In her mind she’s thinking ‘God, this is a teenager. He’s a bit hormonal, he’s a bit emotional. Calm yourself down!” And I think that’s quite fun. Because he’s always King, and [around River] he really isn’t."
And I think that's how she takes control over the influence he'd had on her life, by basically taking ownership of him.
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Of course it does. :)
And I LOVE that quote. <3
And I think that's how she takes control over the influence he'd had on her life, by basically taking ownership of him.
*nods a lot* "MY Doctor." (She gives him everything, so he gives everything in return... So much love for them!)
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That is impressive. Well called.
Actually, it seems to be less the fans that are disgruntled [although some are] and more the haters and the anti-Moff brigade [because OMG SEXISM!!11
I think the people who were specifically *River* fans who this most bothered basically up and left.
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The upside with doing the whole River story in one season, is that unlike Spike, the fans don't have YEARS AND YEARS in which to split into factions.
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I'm a bit rubbish at predicting. I did always think it was River in the suit at the beach, and that it was a big set up with both of them complicit.
BUT i was pretty convinced that the "good man" she actually killed was going to be Rory, due to all the stuff about the Doctor not being a good man in AGMGTW, and contrasting him with Rory who was a true hero in that. And cos he kept dying and i though that cos he'd met his own daughter in earlier in his timeline, and she was the one who killed him that may be why he kept dying. It all seemed strangely logical at the time :P
Look forward to your meta. Meta is always best when effulgent :D
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Plus, the Doctor WAS the Good Man who went to war. Never mind that he rejected the title (and that the show went out of its way to show him failing), but he is the title character, so the show revolves around him.
Mostly I base predictions on a) metaphor and b) story logic. When S5 was airing all my instincts told me that the season would end with Amy and Rory's wedding. HOW was a complete mystery (esp after Rory was killed and erased), but I knew that storywise this was the only ending that would fit. :)
ETA: STILL haven't read your meta... /o\ See previous post re. work. Will get there eventually, promise. I just need the head space.
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Plus, i know i probably spend too much time on Gallifreybase when the series is on, and it's a hotbed of weird and wonderful theories that defy logic!
No worries re: my meta. It's not compulsory and it is...uh...large and rambling, so not good when you've started a new job and have loads of new stuff going into your brain!
edit: damn spelling!
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Oh totally. But it still had to snap to the fairy tale template, and little girls with a Terrible Childhoods must end up OK. My main wrinkle was the fact that Amy and Rory lost their baby - this seemed very, very dark, and I was wondering if somehow stuff would be re-written so they'd get her back...
Plus, i know i probably spend too much time on Gallifreybase when the series is on, and it's a hotbed of weird and wonderful theories that defy logic!
Ah. Say no more! :)
No worries re: my meta. It's not compulsory and it is...uh...large and rambling
But that is so me! *points to icon* I had this specially made. I just want to be able to concentrate.
And... I'd not even noticed the typos. So don't worry. *stumbles off to bed*
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(Although, I admit I did play with the idea that Rory was going to die for his daughter in some way.)
One of the lovely things about River is that she has not only escaped the Skinner boxes in which poor, frightened, sadistic Kovarian placed her - she has escaped the boxes in which Moffat, poor confused parent, placed her. And I think he suspected somewhere in the process that that woulkd be the case. There's an argument to be made that that sort of story telling is the ultimate "show" rather than "tell" - a resounding confutation (in my mind, at leats) to the usual cavil about Moffat's writing.
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LOL. See this is the thing - I go with the obvious, even though *logically* it seems impossible. But then Moffat is the King of the convoluted plot... :)
(Although, I admit I did play with the idea that Rory was going to die for his daughter in some way.)
You know what made me think not? This line: "I know you're not all right. But hold tight, Amy, because you're going to be." I couldn't possibly believe it'd come with the caveat of: 'Well, until your husband dies...' (Not that I wasn't worried, but then I've been used to writers who like to stab the audience in the back.)
One of the lovely things about River is that she has not only escaped the Skinner boxes in which poor, frightened, sadistic Kovarian placed her - she has escaped the boxes in which Moffat, poor confused parent, placed her. And I think he suspected somewhere in the process that that would be the case.
Ah yes. River turns up and causes screaming chaos - and it's fabulous, but only in small doses or she'll turn everything upside down. (I really need to write that post about how the whole of S6 ties into A Christmas Carol...)
There's an argument to be made that that sort of story telling is the ultimate "show" rather than "tell" - a resounding confutation (in my mind, at leats) to the usual cavil about Moffat's writing.
*nods a lot*