Your DW meta rec for the day!

[elisi]

Rose Tyler, lesbian in denial?

Seriously, go read it. I'm not usually one for theories like this (you can cut the Buffy/Faith UST with a knife, but I don't think Buffy would ever go there), but this one actually makes sense to me, and makes S2 far less annoying in the process!

(Also, WHY is LJ not giving me my comments? *stab*)

Comments

[rahirah]

Except for the part where Willow and Oz actually had one of the most functional relationships on the show for several years...

[elisi]

Ah, very true. :)

ETA: Well apart from the time he cheated on her, and the fact that if she makes him angry he tries to kill people... But comparatively? Oh yes.

[stormwreath.livejournal.com]

Just like Rose and the Doctor did.

[(Anonymous)]

The last time I checked, Rose's relationship with the Doctor was not an overtly sexual or romantic relationship. The OP used then as an example of a lesbian in denial pining for a guy she could never have. You compared that relationship to Willow and Oz.

Willow was not pining after Oz; she had him, at least until the inevitable Jossian breakup. Later on, when she had to choose beteeen Oz and Tara, she chose Tara mainly because Tara was there for her, and Oz hadn't been - not because she couldn't bear the idea of his nasty peepee invading her girly bits again.

Later yet, Willow decides that she identifies as a lesbian. Yay Willow! But identifying as a lesbian does not invalidate her prior relationship to Oz, or mean it was nothing but a symptom of her denial.

Honestly, I can't see any comparison between Doctor/Rose and Oz?Willow except that people who ship the characters with someone else would like them very much to go away. :P

[stormwreath.livejournal.com]

This was in the post elisi linked to:

If you just wanted to prove to yourself that, yes, you do SO like boys that way, and there just happens to be a boy shaped alien who will never ask you to follow through on it, that'd do it.

No, it's not an exact comparison, because Oz and Willow did sleep together... eventually. But what are the key moments of their developing romance? What was the point Willow decided that Oz was the guy for her? When he turned her down and said he wasn't interested in any sort of physical relationship right there and then.

In 'What's My Line' when he refused to make out with her because it would be for the wong reasons. In 'Amends' where he refused to have sex with her because, again, it would be for the wrong reasons. No, Oz isn't completely asexual: but he's definitely someone who "will never ask you to follow through on it", and it doesn't seem at all implausible that that was part of his attraction for Willow, just as the linked post suggests it was for Rose.

The other part fits too. "he is into cuddling and hand holding", as the linked post says - and for Willow and Oz, I think we can add "Talking together about intellectual stuff all night". Furthermore, for Willow the perpetual wallflower, the fact that she can now go around saying with great pride that she officially now Has A Boyfriend - and furthermore, one who plays lead guitar in a band - is of immense social importance to her. She's normal, she really is: look! Boyfriend!

None of which is meant to say that Willow's feelings for Oz weren't strong and genuine. Of course they were. The question is what sort of feelings they were. "There's something between [Tara and me]. It wasn't something I was looking for. It's just powerful. And it's totally different from what Oz and I have."