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The Eleventh Hour review/squee/rambling/meta.
(I KNOW I owe replies to comments. Will get there, promise.)
So, review thing. Will try to go through the ep and highlight various things that stood out for me. But I shall start with a quote:
“Maybe this isn't new but it is my view: Doctor Who is a fairy tale – not sci-fi, not fantasy but properly a fairy tale. And I don't mean Disney-style where the endings are changed and everyone lives. Doctor Who is how we warn our children that there are people in the world who want to eat them.”
Steven Moffat
I know I’ve used this before, but I love it to distraction, and I think this is why the show works so well for both children *and* grown-ups. The children see the story, we see the story *and* the coding beneath. :)
But going back to the [very start of the] episode: Where did his jacket go? He was wearing it at the end of EoT, and he must have taken it off at some point prior to falling out. (Not that this bothers me, I just noticed.)
Random: I love the moment when he’s clambered back in and rests against the door.
Anyway, then we get too wee!Amy and I just totally and utterly fell in love. (Praying to Santa!) She’s just so *cute*! The food tasting was fabulous (the girls LOVED it) and to me it was totally a shout out to when Tigger first shows up in Winnie the Pooh, and tries everyone’s food before he discovers what it is that Tiggers like. (If you do now know what I am talking about, then shame on you! Also, run out and by a copy of Winne the Pooh as soon as possible. You can thank me later.)
And:
“Beans are evil! Bad bad beans!”
And hurling out the plate with the bread and butter (“And STAY out!”) was brilliant too. Although “You’re Scottish. Fry something.” easily wins as best line! *g*
Anyway, we have all this silliness (and how much do I love that the Doctor just *expects* the first person he meets to feed him? Too much by far!), and then it turns on a dime - the Doctor remarking how Amelia seems to be taking everything in her stride...
“Must be a hell of a scary crack in your wall.”
I think that was the moment when he just clicked for me. (Show Don’t Tell, Insightful Doctor Is Insightful!) Also, taking a child completely seriously is made of too much win to explain.
And then scary crack with GIANT EYE behind it, and the Doctor fixing it. (The idea of a scary crack apparently came from Moffat’s younger son who had a scary crack on *his* bedroom wall!) And I want to point out that despite everything else he fixed the crack! I think this is very important - partly because this was what she prayed for, but also because that was concrete proof of the fact that he'd been there.
Anyway, it leads to 'I’ll be back in five minutes':
“Trust me, I’m the Doctor.”
Followed by heartbreak.
*huggles poor little Amelia*
Cut to grown up Amy and cricket bat etc, and one of my favourite lines:
“Do I just have a face that nobody listens to? Again...”
Newly-regenerated Doctors are fun! :)
Also - and this is not a criticism, just an observation - but Matt’s ‘What? Whatwhatwhat?’ are nowhere near David’s.
Then follows lots of running around, and I love how ANGRY Amy is. What I liked so much about Donna was the fact that before going with him in S4, she’d seen how scary he could be. Amy, however, has learnt that he breaks people’s hearts and doesn’t keep promises (which might be an even more important lesson). I think she has *issues*, huge massive issues that hopefully will be explored, because he - in many ways - destroyed her childhood. (As Moffat said in the Confidential - she was probably really mean about Santa and the Toothfairy.)![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
green_maia dislikes the fact that he always says 'trust me', and I think having someone around who knows how little weight that actually carries is going to be interesting. [more on this later]
Also - duckpond without ducks. Let me tell you know: THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT. If it isn’t, I’ll eat my cat.
Lots of fun with meeting Rory (his surname is Williams, and in my head he’s related to Rhys - he seems to have a bit of the same nose too *g*), who has grown up in the shadow of the Doctor, poor thing. But he seems competent, so I'm crossing my fingers that we won't get a repeat of Rose/Doctor/Mickey.
The Doctor of course is brilliant and saves the world ("Who da man?") and there’s so much there that I'm not even going to start (my time is limited...) Suffice to say that I could watch the Doctor being magnificent and saving the world with a phone and a laptop and a fire engine every week! :)
But - thinking back to The Christmas Invasion, I love the moment where Ten opens the TARDIS doors and is just *the Doctor*. And I think that moment comes when Eleven calls the Atraxi *back* to Earth...
It is so very school teacher-y (going with the outfit here) - ‘Where do you think you’re going? Now come back and apologise properly and promise to never ever do that again, understood? Or there will be consequences, got that?’
Must take a moment to appreciate his determined search for clothes, because there’ll be no more ‘Raggedy Doctor’ - as I said, this is when his persona snaps into being.
The changing his clothes scene is brilliant on so many levels - not just for Rory’s embarrassment, or Amy’s ‘I’m totally watching’ (which are fun) but also because the Doctor’s rather impatient “Turn your back if it embarrasses you!” is totally him (“You’re ~naked~!” “Oh yes!”) - he is clearly not embarrassed or particularly bothered, which is perfect for someone so cerebral.
Cue the rooftop. The montage was lovely, and so was the callback to Ten’s “It. Is. Defended!” (‘Respect mah authoritah!’), but the line that made *me* squee was Moffat’s re-use of a line from ‘The Curse of Fatal Death’:
Atraxi: “You are not of this world.”
The Doctor: “No, but I’ve put a lot of work into it.”
(The original line: “I'm afraid this is, the end. Look after the universe for me, I've put a lot of work into it.”)
Also, I love how he claims the Earth as *his* [in a slightly God-like manner]. I almost wrote that it’s the closest thing he has to a home, and then... oh. TARDIS.
And he runs!
Clearly Moffat ships Doctor/TARDIS over anything else, which is MORE THAN FINE!
“Look at you. Oh you sexy thing...”
So he nips off for a little trip - just the two of them... ♥
And back to poor Amy.
I love their talk in front of the TARDIS - the way he seems to have settled into himself. And this line is just so... doddery? Dunno how to describe it, but he sounds about 75 [not to mention 900]:
“Sorry about running off earlier. Brand new TARDIS. Bit exciting.”
And this completely cracks me up, all of it:
Amy: "You kept the clothes."
Doctor: “Well I just saved the world. The whole planet for about the millionth time. No charge. Yeah, shoot me, I *kept* the clothes.”
Amy: “Including ~the bow tie~!”
Doctor: “Bow ties are *cool*!”
Amy: “Are you from another planet?”
(Apparently he’s nicked clothes from hospitals twice before [Three and Eight]. This pleases me no end.)
And then he snaps his fingers OMG!
Ever since ‘Forest of the Dead’ I’ve been looking forward to River’s Doctor...
“Now my Doctor... I've seen whole armies turn and run away. And he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor... in the TARDIS... next stop: everywhere.”
AND NOW HE’S HERE! \o/ Yes, this ep recycles elements of that story (The Vashta Nerada running away from him, and then he snaps his fingers to open the TARDIS) - but there was a lot of darkness in that story, people dying, the Doctor despairing, and there wasn’t a swagger in his step. This time - oh yes.
"All of time and space, everything that ever happened or ever will... Where do you want to start?" (Next stop: everywhere.)
Still, my favourite line might be:
“I’m definitely a madman with a box!”
It’s just perfect,and why are there no icons? I have looked in every icon post I could find, and there's not a single one with that text. I needs it!!! (Well the 'Madman with a box' bit. Ten was The Lonely God (and I loved him for it), but I am more than happy to run along with the Madman With A Box now. The Doctor is dead, long live the Doctor! :)
A few extra thoughts:
Re. Amy, thenkalichan has a brilliant post talking about how Amy is a fangirl, so I won’t go into that, except say that it’s clever. Although I remember someone remarking how Amy can also be Old Skool fans, who grew up with the Doctor - and then he disappeared. And although they're all grown-up now, they still see that TARDIS and suddenly believe in magic again...
And as for Amy and the Doctor... in interviews they’ve been described as ‘two lost souls’, and I can see where that comes from. I love the fact that she within *seconds* pin-points the reason he wants her to come - the fact that he is lonely. Remember what he's just been through, losing everyone (again): His home/family, the Master, Donna, Martha, Rose... I remember once remarking that the difference between Nine and Ten is that Nine *finds* people, and Ten loses them, which isn't quite true, but I think that accounts for part of the difference in them. In the end, everyone leaves, usually not out of malice, but nevertheless he ends up as lost and upset as little Amelia sat on her suitcase.
Now I’ve seen some reviews being upset that he seems so cavalier about the pain he put her through, and I think this is partly his standard coping mechanism of putting on a facade - but I also have a feeling that he understands how she’s come to see him. He was her childhood fairy tale come to life, and he wants to give that back to her. 'Yes I *am* that amazing', he says. 'Yes, I was worth waiting for'. He does his best to validate her belief in him, and I think this might be what she needs. (That said, I’ve seen it stated over and over that she’ll be the most *difficult* New Who Companion, since she - obviously - doesn’t take his word as gospel, and I’m looking forward to the sparks flying.)
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Trailer: Favourite bit DEFINITELY the bit with River blowing a kiss and spacing herself (which we’ve seen before, and gone wtf? over) - and then seeing that she’s falling out to the Doctor in the TARDIS! This makes me so happy, I can’t even! *flails*)
Saturday is a long way away...
My girls like Matt VERY much now. The youngest (who DIDN’T like him for the last year+ because he wasn't Tennant), was won over by this ep, so yay! :) Mostly though, my show is back and I am dancing. And I discovered that being spoiled can be a good thing. I'd seen the new screwdriver (lots - Matt keeps it with him at all times, which I love too much for words), and had a peek at the TARDIS, and even knew a fair bit about the episode in advance, so all the NEW things weren't a shock, but more of a 'Oh I see, that's where that comes from', which was lovely. That said, I am now retreating to my spoiler-phobe status! :)
So, review thing. Will try to go through the ep and highlight various things that stood out for me. But I shall start with a quote:
“Maybe this isn't new but it is my view: Doctor Who is a fairy tale – not sci-fi, not fantasy but properly a fairy tale. And I don't mean Disney-style where the endings are changed and everyone lives. Doctor Who is how we warn our children that there are people in the world who want to eat them.”
Steven Moffat
I know I’ve used this before, but I love it to distraction, and I think this is why the show works so well for both children *and* grown-ups. The children see the story, we see the story *and* the coding beneath. :)
But going back to the [very start of the] episode: Where did his jacket go? He was wearing it at the end of EoT, and he must have taken it off at some point prior to falling out. (Not that this bothers me, I just noticed.)
Random: I love the moment when he’s clambered back in and rests against the door.
Anyway, then we get too wee!Amy and I just totally and utterly fell in love. (Praying to Santa!) She’s just so *cute*! The food tasting was fabulous (the girls LOVED it) and to me it was totally a shout out to when Tigger first shows up in Winnie the Pooh, and tries everyone’s food before he discovers what it is that Tiggers like. (If you do now know what I am talking about, then shame on you! Also, run out and by a copy of Winne the Pooh as soon as possible. You can thank me later.)
And:
“Beans are evil! Bad bad beans!”
And hurling out the plate with the bread and butter (“And STAY out!”) was brilliant too. Although “You’re Scottish. Fry something.” easily wins as best line! *g*
Anyway, we have all this silliness (and how much do I love that the Doctor just *expects* the first person he meets to feed him? Too much by far!), and then it turns on a dime - the Doctor remarking how Amelia seems to be taking everything in her stride...
“Must be a hell of a scary crack in your wall.”
I think that was the moment when he just clicked for me. (Show Don’t Tell, Insightful Doctor Is Insightful!) Also, taking a child completely seriously is made of too much win to explain.
And then scary crack with GIANT EYE behind it, and the Doctor fixing it. (The idea of a scary crack apparently came from Moffat’s younger son who had a scary crack on *his* bedroom wall!) And I want to point out that despite everything else he fixed the crack! I think this is very important - partly because this was what she prayed for, but also because that was concrete proof of the fact that he'd been there.
Anyway, it leads to 'I’ll be back in five minutes':
“Trust me, I’m the Doctor.”
Followed by heartbreak.
*huggles poor little Amelia*
Cut to grown up Amy and cricket bat etc, and one of my favourite lines:
“Do I just have a face that nobody listens to? Again...”
Newly-regenerated Doctors are fun! :)
Also - and this is not a criticism, just an observation - but Matt’s ‘What? Whatwhatwhat?’ are nowhere near David’s.
Then follows lots of running around, and I love how ANGRY Amy is. What I liked so much about Donna was the fact that before going with him in S4, she’d seen how scary he could be. Amy, however, has learnt that he breaks people’s hearts and doesn’t keep promises (which might be an even more important lesson). I think she has *issues*, huge massive issues that hopefully will be explored, because he - in many ways - destroyed her childhood. (As Moffat said in the Confidential - she was probably really mean about Santa and the Toothfairy.)
green_maia dislikes the fact that he always says 'trust me', and I think having someone around who knows how little weight that actually carries is going to be interesting. [more on this later] Also - duckpond without ducks. Let me tell you know: THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT. If it isn’t, I’ll eat my cat.
Lots of fun with meeting Rory (his surname is Williams, and in my head he’s related to Rhys - he seems to have a bit of the same nose too *g*), who has grown up in the shadow of the Doctor, poor thing. But he seems competent, so I'm crossing my fingers that we won't get a repeat of Rose/Doctor/Mickey.
The Doctor of course is brilliant and saves the world ("Who da man?") and there’s so much there that I'm not even going to start (my time is limited...) Suffice to say that I could watch the Doctor being magnificent and saving the world with a phone and a laptop and a fire engine every week! :)
But - thinking back to The Christmas Invasion, I love the moment where Ten opens the TARDIS doors and is just *the Doctor*. And I think that moment comes when Eleven calls the Atraxi *back* to Earth...
It is so very school teacher-y (going with the outfit here) - ‘Where do you think you’re going? Now come back and apologise properly and promise to never ever do that again, understood? Or there will be consequences, got that?’
Must take a moment to appreciate his determined search for clothes, because there’ll be no more ‘Raggedy Doctor’ - as I said, this is when his persona snaps into being.
The changing his clothes scene is brilliant on so many levels - not just for Rory’s embarrassment, or Amy’s ‘I’m totally watching’ (which are fun) but also because the Doctor’s rather impatient “Turn your back if it embarrasses you!” is totally him (“You’re ~naked~!” “Oh yes!”) - he is clearly not embarrassed or particularly bothered, which is perfect for someone so cerebral.
Cue the rooftop. The montage was lovely, and so was the callback to Ten’s “It. Is. Defended!” (‘Respect mah authoritah!’), but the line that made *me* squee was Moffat’s re-use of a line from ‘The Curse of Fatal Death’:
Atraxi: “You are not of this world.”
The Doctor: “No, but I’ve put a lot of work into it.”
(The original line: “I'm afraid this is, the end. Look after the universe for me, I've put a lot of work into it.”)
Also, I love how he claims the Earth as *his* [in a slightly God-like manner]. I almost wrote that it’s the closest thing he has to a home, and then... oh. TARDIS.
And he runs!
Clearly Moffat ships Doctor/TARDIS over anything else, which is MORE THAN FINE!
“Look at you. Oh you sexy thing...”
So he nips off for a little trip - just the two of them... ♥
And back to poor Amy.
I love their talk in front of the TARDIS - the way he seems to have settled into himself. And this line is just so... doddery? Dunno how to describe it, but he sounds about 75 [not to mention 900]:
“Sorry about running off earlier. Brand new TARDIS. Bit exciting.”
And this completely cracks me up, all of it:
Amy: "You kept the clothes."
Doctor: “Well I just saved the world. The whole planet for about the millionth time. No charge. Yeah, shoot me, I *kept* the clothes.”
Amy: “Including ~the bow tie~!”
Doctor: “Bow ties are *cool*!”
Amy: “Are you from another planet?”
(Apparently he’s nicked clothes from hospitals twice before [Three and Eight]. This pleases me no end.)
And then he snaps his fingers OMG!
Ever since ‘Forest of the Dead’ I’ve been looking forward to River’s Doctor...
“Now my Doctor... I've seen whole armies turn and run away. And he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor... in the TARDIS... next stop: everywhere.”
AND NOW HE’S HERE! \o/ Yes, this ep recycles elements of that story (The Vashta Nerada running away from him, and then he snaps his fingers to open the TARDIS) - but there was a lot of darkness in that story, people dying, the Doctor despairing, and there wasn’t a swagger in his step. This time - oh yes.
"All of time and space, everything that ever happened or ever will... Where do you want to start?" (Next stop: everywhere.)
Still, my favourite line might be:
“I’m definitely a madman with a box!”
It’s just perfect,
A few extra thoughts:
Re. Amy, then
kalichan has a brilliant post talking about how Amy is a fangirl, so I won’t go into that, except say that it’s clever. Although I remember someone remarking how Amy can also be Old Skool fans, who grew up with the Doctor - and then he disappeared. And although they're all grown-up now, they still see that TARDIS and suddenly believe in magic again...And as for Amy and the Doctor... in interviews they’ve been described as ‘two lost souls’, and I can see where that comes from. I love the fact that she within *seconds* pin-points the reason he wants her to come - the fact that he is lonely. Remember what he's just been through, losing everyone (again): His home/family, the Master, Donna, Martha, Rose... I remember once remarking that the difference between Nine and Ten is that Nine *finds* people, and Ten loses them, which isn't quite true, but I think that accounts for part of the difference in them. In the end, everyone leaves, usually not out of malice, but nevertheless he ends up as lost and upset as little Amelia sat on her suitcase.
Now I’ve seen some reviews being upset that he seems so cavalier about the pain he put her through, and I think this is partly his standard coping mechanism of putting on a facade - but I also have a feeling that he understands how she’s come to see him. He was her childhood fairy tale come to life, and he wants to give that back to her. 'Yes I *am* that amazing', he says. 'Yes, I was worth waiting for'. He does his best to validate her belief in him, and I think this might be what she needs. (That said, I’ve seen it stated over and over that she’ll be the most *difficult* New Who Companion, since she - obviously - doesn’t take his word as gospel, and I’m looking forward to the sparks flying.)
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Trailer: Favourite bit DEFINITELY the bit with River blowing a kiss and spacing herself (which we’ve seen before, and gone wtf? over) - and then seeing that she’s falling out to the Doctor in the TARDIS! This makes me so happy, I can’t even! *flails*)
Saturday is a long way away...
My girls like Matt VERY much now. The youngest (who DIDN’T like him for the last year+ because he wasn't Tennant), was won over by this ep, so yay! :) Mostly though, my show is back and I am dancing. And I discovered that being spoiled can be a good thing. I'd seen the new screwdriver (lots - Matt keeps it with him at all times, which I love too much for words), and had a peek at the TARDIS, and even knew a fair bit about the episode in advance, so all the NEW things weren't a shock, but more of a 'Oh I see, that's where that comes from', which was lovely. That said, I am now retreating to my spoiler-phobe status! :)
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I love Amelia/Amy Pond. She's spunky and yes, she's learned that the Doctor does not keep his promises. I really really hope we don't get a Doctor/Rose/Mickey triangle gain.. cause that scene at the end, wedding dress, concerned about being back the next day, 2 years later.. she's getting married.. But, I will agree, Rory seems much more competant than Micky was in the beginning. He was actually paying attention to the weird stuff, even if no one was listening to him (I also caught a bit of a triangle with Rory/Amy/Jeff.. The way Rory reacted to the Doctor mentioning him...)
- My husband was mad when they did that! He's all, I WANNA SEE THE INSIDE! Was funny.
Me too! OMG, I've been waiting for River's Doctor.
I have to admit, I now like Matt. I was iffy before, but I'm hooked.
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Ah! But that's the thing. It's off as soon as we start the ep (when he's clinging onto the TARDIS), and it's only *after* he climbs back in that the TARDIS does the big lurch thing, and he ends up all soaked...
I love Amelia/Amy Pond. She's spunky and yes, she's learned that the Doctor does not keep his promises.
He means to, every time, but...
I really really hope we don't get a Doctor/Rose/Mickey triangle gain..
Well I doubt that the Moff will recycle that, but since she's got no family etc, I guess he figured she needed *something* to make her want to stay.
But, I will agree, Rory seems much more competant than Micky was in the beginning.
MIckey became *awesome*, but he annoyed me in the beginning, and thankfully we've not got any of that.
I also caught a bit of a triangle with Rory/Amy/Jeff.. The way Rory reacted to the Doctor mentioning him...
Amy is a PRETTY girl.
- My husband was mad when they did that! He's all, I WANNA SEE THE INSIDE! Was funny.
LOL!
Me too! OMG, I've been waiting for River's Doctor.
It's going to be AMAZING! :D
I have to admit, I now like Matt. I was iffy before, but I'm hooked.
I was curious, and figured he had to have something special, what with having got the role ahead of so many others!
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Loved the episode, thoroughly, and I'm glad I remained unspoiled, which wasn't easy...
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*Three*? That hospital must have had some eccentric patients...
As Andraste says, the man is clearly a serial criminal. :) No wonder he hit it off with Christina so well.
Heee!
Loved the episode, thoroughly, and I'm glad I remained unspoiled, which wasn't easy...
I can imagine. And I loved your review btw. Meant to comment, but I've been rushed off my feet.
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Doctor: ...since I'm currently stuck here, I might as well work for you.
Brig: *warily* Well, I suppose we could pay you...
Doctor: My dear fellow, I couldn't possibly take MONEY from you. However, I really liked that car. Also, this outfit. And Miss Shaw makes a great assistant. Did I mention your lab equipment needs updating?
(This is why
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LOL! (Actually I like this nicking-clothes stuff, esp re. Eleven, since it explains the odd juxtaposition of the tweed jacket and the jeans.)
However, he demanded the Brig should provide him with such a nifty vehicle, hence Bessie
Ahhh, I see.
I'm still sulking that you watched that one against my advice, I'll have you know
::laughs:: It is (AFAIK) the only Old Who ep that the Beeb has shown for the past however many years, so I wasn't about to waste the chance. AND it gave me a Whoniverse explanation for magic, something that came in *incredibly* handy for my fic (as you know). 'Twas the perfect ep. :)
the Brig/Doctor relationship is like a man and his excentric mistress. Half of the time the Brig is aware of that.)
*dies* That's fantastic! I shall keep this in mind!
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“Look at you. Oh you sexy thing...” my favorite line of the episode. And I like what they did with the Tardis; she's different, but not too different. It's a good way for Moffat to provide some continuity. Though I'm not too sure about the lava-lamp thingy in the central column. Huh!
I like Amy a lot, and I'm sold on Rory already. Plus, he's a nurse! I'm a little fearful of another Doctor/Rose/Micky triangle too. I love Rose, and I didn't really mind that triangle. But they've done that before, and after Martha I'm bored with companions in unrequited love with the Doctor. So I'm hopeful!
I love that 11 took little Amelia seriously. I think that you have a good point; taking kids seriously is a lot of relating to them, and it's when he won my cold, bitter heart.
I like 11 as Tigger; that's a great analogy. Shame on anyone who doesn't know that scene!
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Oh I know what you mean... I happened to catch the very end of EoT2 the other day, and my heart *bled* for poor Ten. ::hugs him::
And I like what they did with the Tardis; she's different, but not too different. It's a good way for Moffat to provide some continuity. Though I'm not too sure about the lava-lamp thingy in the central column. Huh!
Someone said that it looked like a giant model of Mousetrap, which I thought was brilliant. Prettier though. :)
I like Amy a lot, and I'm sold on Rory already. Plus, he's a nurse!
Indeed! :)
But they've done that before, and after Martha I'm bored with companions in unrequited love with the Doctor. So I'm hopeful!
Maybe we'll get the Doctor in unrequited love with Amy?
I love that 11 took little Amelia seriously. I think that you have a good point; taking kids seriously is a lot of relating to them, and it's when he won my cold, bitter heart.
Hee! It's a wonderful moment, as is everything to do with little!Amy. Absolute perfection!
I like 11 as Tigger; that's a great analogy. Shame on anyone who doesn't know that scene!
*nods* Winnie the Pooh is one of the greatest books EVER. (And one of the funniest. *g*)
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LOL I haven't seen this but it made me think of MY comparison---I totally said he was Tigger! LOL! xDD
Also, taking a child completely seriously is made of too much win to explain.
That is something I've always loved about the Doctor: he takes them seriously, and treats them with dignity. Being a kids show I know this is important, obviously. But he always seems to just *click* with kids, and I love that about him. I love that he doesn't forget what's important to them (the crack on the wall) even amid whatever else is going on. *squishes him*
and this is not a criticism, just an observation - but Matt’s ‘What? Whatwhatwhat?’ are nowhere near David’s.
Hahah I noticed this too. Not bad in any way, just very different. Which is good, as it should be. It was a nice familiar phrase though, yeah? :)
thinking back to The Christmas Invasion, I love the moment where Ten opens the TARDIS doors and is just *the Doctor*. And I think that moment comes when Eleven calls the Atraxi *back* to Earth...
Oh yes, and I failed to point this out in my review but it felt so... Doctor, to me. Especially Nine, I suppose. It felt very Nine. But yeah! They think they can get away with something like that? Nu uh. I did like that. Hee!
“Look at you. Oh you sexy thing...”
LOL I really do love that line oh so much. ♥ He just adores his TARDIS so much, the dear.
Ever since ‘Forest of the Dead’ I’ve been looking forward to River’s Doctor...
Hmmm. On the hand I have too, and on the other I haven't. For one thing I think it's far too soon for "River's Doctor" (being as how she frequently commented on HOW YOUNG he looked----that was only two years ago now -_- I got the feeling it'd be more like centuries of a difference), but I understand it's a TV show and DT took off and things don't quite work out that way. But also I think the Doctor was already a scary force that had whole armies running away from him (maybe not quite to the extent that could be brought into the show still I guess---there's room to make that a lot darker). But I am seeing it's already becoming that Doctor Moffat had in mind and I'm curious what he'll do with it, if nothing else... I'm just mixed about it for now.
(Well the 'Madman with a box' bit. Ten was The Lonely God
LOL!!! I did not make that connection. OMG. That's just awesome. I think ILU for pointing that out. :D
Overall a very good review! It was pleasant to read. I like that you're happy about the new season, but make connections to the previous RTD Era (and other eras), and not in a mean or rude compare/contrast fashion (this is what I meant by harsh squee rubbing me the wrong way---bashing doesn't sit well with me, especially when it's something I hold so dear). Thanks for linking me here! :D
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You MUST go buy it. It is one of the greatest books OF ALL TIME! And yes, your review made me smile. (Great minds and all that.)
That is something I've always loved about the Doctor: he takes them seriously, and treats them with dignity.
This. And I think it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.
Hahah I noticed this too. Not bad in any way, just very different. Which is good, as it should be. It was a nice familiar phrase though, yeah? :)
Yes it was! :)
Oh yes, and I failed to point this out in my review but it felt so... Doctor, to me. Especially Nine, I suppose. It felt very Nine. But yeah! They think they can get away with something like that? Nu uh. I did like that. Hee!
I liked that bit of writing very much, because (as you say) it was just Doctor-y. Could have been any of them, and I liked that this was what made Eleven Eleven. (I hope that makes sense! *g*)
LOL I really do love that line oh so much. ♥ He just adores his TARDIS so much, the dear.
OTP of OTPs. :)
For one thing I think it's far too soon for "River's Doctor" (being as how she frequently commented on HOW YOUNG he looked----that was only two years ago now -_- I got the feeling it'd be more like centuries of a difference
Ah I see it very differently. River didn't comment on the 'youthfulness' until she really *looked* at him, and I always thought that Journey's End (and Donna's fate) was what aged him - that's the point when he says 'No more Companions', and everything goes downhill. (I also think he went to see River inbetween Specials - since she recognised his face - but was probably rather downcast and old...)
LOL!!! I did not make that connection. OMG. That's just awesome. I think ILU for pointing that out. :D
I'm not even sure I can claim credit for it, since it seems to be all over the place. But I love it too. :)
I like that you're happy about the new season, but make connections to the previous RTD Era (and other eras), and not in a mean or rude compare/contrast fashion (this is what I meant by harsh squee rubbing me the wrong way---bashing doesn't sit well with me, especially when it's something I hold so dear).
Oh I am Pollyanna and I like everything. Well ALMOST everything, but I can be positive about most things, and I adore continuity above all else, so the more ties between Ten and Eleven I can find, the better! (I dislike the sudden Tennant/RTD bashing all over the place, just as much as I disliked all the preemptive Eleven bashing before the ep aired. Fandom is stupid.) Glad that you liked! :)
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I suppose so, that could work. I mean obviously the experiences there aged him, but... I dunno. I guess I'm more intrigued/enamored by the idea that River was way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy in his future, you know? Made it feel more epic and mysterious to me. But ah well, maybe I'll love what Moffat does with it this season. *shrug*
(I dislike the sudden Tennant/RTD bashing all over the place, just as much as I disliked all the preemptive Eleven bashing before the ep aired. Fandom is stupid.)
Very stupid. And yeah, it's like, all of the sudden there was just this explosion of RTD/Tennant hate all over the place after S4. :P I even almost made a post about it the other night now that S5 has started, 'cause I'm starting to see it on my own flist, people I used to get along with really well, and that... scares me. :/
But anyway! Positivity = awesome. :) Stay that way! Hee! x)
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I can see that, definitely, but my immediate glee over having her NOW is rather overshadowing that! *g*
Very stupid
Alas it has always been thus...
And yeah, it's like, all of the sudden there was just this explosion of RTD/Tennant hate all over the place after S4. :P
Not to mention CoE... And it's not like I can't see his weaknesses as a writer, but these people seem to think that New Who appeared by sheer magic and then Rusty *ruined* it. If you want to show your flist how you feel, you could always link to Ten Reasons To Love Russell T. Davies, which is a lovely, lovely post! :)
But anyway! Positivity = awesome. :) Stay that way! Hee! x)
No worries! (For me it's always been the meta that pulls me in, so in many ways 'liking' is a moot point. F.ex. the Dalek episodes in S3 were *awful* pretty much, but they tied in with the overall theme exceedingly well, so I'm OK with them.)
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Thanks! I'll have to check out that post. And yeah that's exactly the sort of attitude that's going around, and frankly it's appalling. O_o
It's not just that, though. There's been this whole feeling in the air that S5 is going to smear RTD's era off the map and it's going to be the Great Gleaming Salvation to save us all from the last era. And if you're having a hard time accepting the new changes, you're not a real fan of DW, 'cause that's what the show is all about is change, and we need to get over it or GTFO.
Stuff like that, is what I want to post about, 'cause I've had conversations like this with a lot of people already and I have a feeling it's only going to get worse. Seeing it in comms is one thing. Seeing it come from my own flist is something else entirely. *sigh* If only I wasn't such a chicken. :P
ANYWAY. I didn't mean to take over your thread with my silly ramblings. Sorry! Ducking out now. xDD
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It's excellent, because it points out *specific* things that RTD did and invented, that made the show what it is now.
There's been this whole feeling in the air that S5 is going to smear RTD's era off the map and it's going to be the Great Gleaming Salvation to save us all from the last era. And if you're having a hard time accepting the new changes, you're not a real fan of DW, 'cause that's what the show is all about is change, and we need to get over it or GTFO.
Yeah, I've seen that too. 'Finally *real* Doctor Who is back' etc. Meh. (This is why I don't stray outside my flist. Or
Seeing it in comms is one thing. Seeing it come from my own flist is something else entirely. *sigh* If only I wasn't such a chicken. :P
::is a chicken too:: Anyway, you're always welcome here, in my land of No Bashing. :)
ANYWAY. I didn't mean to take over your thread with my silly ramblings. Sorry! Ducking out now. xDD
Rambling is GOOD! (I need a rambling icon. But I'm working on that, so don't worry!)
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Yes, I've been skimming some of it, and it's making me all warm and fuzzy! Man I love posts like that. Makes the world a happier place. xD
eah, I've seen that too. 'Finally *real* Doctor Who is back' etc. Meh. (This is why I don't stray outside my flist.
Well that's the thing: this isn't in comms, THIS IS ON MY FLIST. People I've been DW friends with for years and never got into bad rows or disagreements with before. They're going Dark Side on me and it's getting progressive and I'm thinking it could get much worse now that S5 has actually started. D: Of course it's going to happen on comms, but on my own flist? Ack. SCARY TIMES.
::is a chicken too:: Anyway, you're always welcome here, in my land of No Bashing. :)
LOL! I think you are less of a chicken than me. ;D I even got it all written out and then... deleted it off my LJ preview screen and chickened out. xP Bah.
Awww thank you! *hugs* ♥ There needs to be more Lands of No Bashing. They seem to be rare oasises these days. :(
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They really do!
Of course it's going to happen on comms, but on my own flist? Ack. SCARY TIMES.
Oh dear. See I entered LJ (and fandom) via Buffy, but only after the show had finished (very shortly after, but still), and built my flist from Buffy fans with whom I shared a positive outlook/ship - so generally a warm fuzzy place away from the crazies. And once DW started, a few became interested, but they're still a minority, and those that are fans tend to be fairly laidback. (Also I made sure to stay miles and miles away from DW fandom. I heard enough stories from the Buffy heyday to know that Fans Are Crazy.)
LOL! I think you are less of a chicken than me. ;D I even got it all written out and then... deleted it off my LJ preview screen and chickened out. xP Bah.
I tend to post stuff like that as private posts. It gets it off my chest, but without anyone offended. *g*
Awww thank you! *hugs* ♥ There needs to be more Lands of No Bashing. They seem to be rare oasises these days. :(
*hugs back* And yeah, people need to learn to just calm down, and understand that it's perfectly possible to love something new without tearing down the old.
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See that's why I'm so freaked out 'cause my flist is like that too---or has been all this time. A warm fuzzy group away from the crazies, a great tea party, laidback and awesome. So seeing this change in a few of them is bothersome.
LOL a private post, sure, I could do that, but it'd kind of defeat the purpose of what I want to say. People can post whatever they want on their LJ of course. I just wish they'd remember not everyone shares that opinion. :/
people need to learn to just calm down, and understand that it's perfectly possible to love something new without tearing down the old.
That is like the most awesome and perfect way to put it ever! ♥
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I can imagine that it would be. Let's hope it's only temporary.
People can post whatever they want on their LJ of course. I just wish they'd remember not everyone shares that opinion. :/
THIS should be obligatory!
That is like the most awesome and perfect way to put it ever! ♥
Heh. They seem to forget that if you tear down before you have nothing to build on... ::is wise::
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LOL that comic. Is. Awesome!
And you are wise! Yes. very. *pats you on the head* ♥
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And I see you went ahead and took the plunge! :)
LOL that comic. Is. Awesome!
Isn't it just? It could solve ALL the world's problems, I think.
And you are wise! Yes. very. *pats you on the head* ♥
LOL! (I have three girls, age 4, 8 and 11 - I know all about stupid arguments!) Also hello and welcome to. I ramble a lot and love pimping stuff and am hopeless at commenting. :)
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I was wondering about the jacket thing too!
Little Amelia was so so cute. The food--oh the food! LOVED the segue of "it must be one hell of a scary crack in your room" But then he utterly breaks her heart. And I'm picturing this whole thing from her aunt's perspective--comes home finds half the food eaten or thrown out and her niece sitting outside with a suitcase saying she's waiting for a man to take her away...can you see why she might have been taken to see a psychiatrist :)
Also, taking a child completely seriously is made of too much win to explain.
Couldn't have said it better!
Amy, however, has learnt that he breaks people’s hearts and doesn’t keep promises (which might be an even more important lesson). I think she has *issues*, huge massive issues that hopefully will be explored, because he - in many ways - destroyed her childhood.
I both agree and disagree with you here. The Doctor said he would come back and he did. He just missed the right time. With rose 12 years became 12 months, with Amy it was 5 minutes became 12 years. He is flawed, but it is not out of heartlessness or cruelty that he did what he did, it was simply a mistake. That however does not minimize its effect on Amy--he really did break her heart. BUT I hope that part of her issues can be resolved (though not too quickly) in the face of the fact that, after everything, he returned--TWICE, just as he said he would. I hope she learns not that "the Doctor is unreliable" but to have faith and hope in the future and in others. The Amy we meet is angry and probably bitter, and has lost her childlike trust and faith--I hope that she can re-learn or regain some of that in traveling with the Doctor.
green_maia dislikes the fact that he always says 'trust me', and I think having someone around who knows how little weight that actually carries is going to be interesting. [more on this later] Again I disagree--it actually does carry all the weight he intends it to--he just isn't human and doesn't see things from a human perspective and likely doesn't understand things from the human perspective--which is something he should take some time to understand, but I think even with his mistakes in this episode that he is still worthy of that trust. I think Amy will learn that too.
Also - duckpond without ducks. Let me tell you know: THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT. If it isn’t, I’ll eat my cat. Hee! I hope you're right
so I'm crossing my fingers that we won't get a repeat of Rose/Doctor/Mickey.
Ditto!
And I think that moment comes when Eleven calls the Atraxi *back* to Earth...
YES! He was scolding them! Called them back let them know what was what!LOVED IT!!!
Also, I love how he claims the Earth as *his* [in a slightly God-like manner]. Nod. Nod.
Clearly Moffat ships Doctor/TARDIS over anything else, which is MORE THAN FINE!
“Look at you. Oh you sexy thing...”
So he nips off for a little trip - just the two of them... ♥
Nod nod (my head my fall off with all this)
And then he snaps his fingers OMG!
Ever since ‘Forest of the Dead’ I’ve been looking forward to River’s Doctor...
“Now my Doctor... I've seen whole armies turn and run away. And he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor... in the TARDIS... next stop: everywhere.”
AND NOW HE’S HERE!
::Bounce bounce::
Still, my favourite line might be:
“I’m definitely a madman with a box!” I LOVED THAT PART!
What did you think of the TARDIS' new look--it was nearly steampunk! I loved when the sonic screwdriver pops out he says thank you dear! squeeee
The TARDIS belongs to him and he belongs to the TARDIS.
I really really hope that we get to see more of the TARDIS--in fact I would like an episode where we get to see more of the TARDIS. I don't know if you see more in old who (take that back we do see more in the Eighth Doctor movie, but I like to pretend that does not exist) but in new who we have only ever seen the console room and the wardrobe room. I want an episode in the TARDIS!
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Glad I'm not alone.
And I'm picturing this whole thing from her aunt's perspective--comes home finds half the food eaten or thrown out and her niece sitting outside with a suitcase saying she's waiting for a man to take her away...can you see why she might have been taken to see a psychiatrist :)
Oh yes. And you can see Amelia going 'But HE FIXED THE CRACK!' Hee.
He just missed the right time. With rose 12 years became 12 months, with Amy it was 5 minutes became 12 years. He is flawed, but it is not out of heartlessness or cruelty that he did what he did, it was simply a mistake.
I feel like Martha now, talking to Donna. 'My family got really screwed up because of him, BUT IT WASN'T HIS FAULT!!!'
I hope she learns not that "the Doctor is unreliable" but to have faith and hope in the future and in others. The Amy we meet is angry and probably bitter, and has lost her childlike trust and faith--I hope that she can re-learn or regain some of that in traveling with the Doctor.
*nods* And he did save the world in twenty minutes...
I think even with his mistakes in this episode that he is still worthy of that trust. I think Amy will learn that too.
Actually what I think I meant was the fact that he ALWAYS says 'trust me', and then (because he isn't omnipotent), half the time, ends up letting people down. But on the other hand, if he didn't jump in and make promises, he wouldn't be the Doctor...
YES! He was scolding them! Called them back let them know what was what!LOVED IT!!!
Bad Atraxi. Very naughty. And let that be a lesson. *cross face*
AND NOW HE’S HERE!
::Bounce bounce::
I feel like Tigger...
What did you think of the TARDIS' new look--it was nearly steampunk! I loved when the sonic screwdriver pops out he says thank you dear! squeeee
Squee indeed. It'll take a little getting used to (not sure about the typewriter) but I love that it is BIGGER and the colours are lovely. Someone described it as big Mousetrap model, and I think that's brilliant. :)
want an episode in the TARDIS!
Me too! (Also - swimming pool is canon! This pleases me liek whoa since I used it in a fic!)
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and tries everyone’s food before he discovers what it is that Tiggers like
YES. This was my exact, verbatim reaction in that scene: "Tiggers don't like hunny!" (Followed by speculation whether disliking bacon makes someone evil.)
Then follows lots of running around
And yet it ends on the Doctor telling someone else to run. Moffat is in da house. (Or possibly tha house, I can never keep those things straight.)
Also - duckpond without ducks. Let me tell you know: THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT.
The ducks are disappearing?
Lots of fun with meeting Rory (his surname is Williams, and in my head he’s related to Rhys - he seems to have a bit of the same nose too *g*), who has grown up in the shadow of the Doctor, poor thing. But he seems competent
...and oddly old, since his nurse's badge was issued in 1990. Hmmmm. They're planting little maybe-clues all over the place already.
And then he snaps his fingers OMG!
*squees a bit*
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Thank you! (I read yours btw, but had so little time over the weekend that I didn't comment. Sorry.)
YES. This was my exact, verbatim reaction in that scene: "Tiggers don't like hunny!"
Hee! Glad I'm not alone! :)
(Followed by speculation whether disliking bacon makes someone evil.)
He might like them later? If not, he has the weirdest tastebuds ever. Although, see bow tie. Clearly he's more than a little *odd*.
And yet it ends on the Doctor telling someone else to run. Moffat is in da house. (Or possibly tha house, I can never keep those things straight.)
Oh don't look at me. (Although the Sycorax ran too...)
The ducks are disappearing?
LOL! (Quite literally. ::is still chuckling::)
...and oddly old, since his nurse's badge was issued in 1990.
*blinks* That's... very strange. No idea what to make of it.
*squees a bit*
*squees a lot* ;)
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Yup, and I love that. As much as I liked Ten, I'd love for Eleven to be more like Two or Four - including those moments where you realise "Hang on, this guy is Alien. By human (and possibly Timelord) standards, he's utterly completely insane. He might suddenly start playing the flute - WE DON'T KNOW."
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I'm pretty sure that's what we're in for! :) As Moffat put it 'a proper bonkers Doctor'! *cheers for the Madman with a Box* (I loved Ten too. But I have plenty of love to go round.)
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WOOOOOOO!!!!
SO VERY AWESOME!!!!
(Erm. Sorry about that. I've just finished the first five episodes and am frantically finding people's posts.)
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And you are very welcome! Sharing squee is the best thing there is. :)
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I just wanted to point out two little things about this that amused me to no end:
"Also - duckpond without ducks. Let me tell you know: THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT. If it isn’t, I’ll eat my cat."
Annnnnndd yep. :D Bingo. First time I saw it, same thing. And then he brought it up again in F&S, and I yelped.
"Lots of fun with meeting Rory (his surname is Williams, and in my head he’s related to Rhys - he seems to have a bit of the same nose too *g*), who has grown up in the shadow of the Doctor, poor thing. But he seems competent, so I'm crossing my fingers that we won't get a repeat of Rose/Doctor/Mickey."
1. RHYS! Haven't got through nearly enough TW yet, but from what I've seen? Love him! :D I agree.
2. Shadow of the Doctor indeed, but that's what makes him SO AWESOME.
3. Regarding Rose/Doctor/Mickey? Don't know if it was you who said this, SOMEBODY did - thank HEAVENS that wasn't the case! Oh, it looked that way for a while, but then we end up with a happy Mr and Mrs Pond, running away with the Doctor on their wedding night (read into that what you will :3)! Rory is everything Mickey could only be in his wildest dreams. Same position. Girl runs off with Doctor, travels through time and space. Only, Rory bloody well gets the girl, and DESERVES it! :D
Oh, I have so much Rory!love in my heart.
Moffat: Doctor/TARDIS shipper. Oh, you beauty. :D That, and perhaps a bit of Doctor/River :D But absolutely a Doctor/TARDIS shipper, but then, who WOULDN'T be?
Basically... Run. <3 The Eleventh Hour holds a special place in my heart. It's brilliant. I can never, NEVER decide between The Eleventh Hour, The Pandorica Opens, and The Big Bang. One of them's my favorite, but it tends to fluctuate between them with no apparent pattern... :D
Done ranting... For the moment. ^.^ Steven Moffat is incredible, Matt Smith is brilliant, Karen Gillan is hysterical, Caitlin Blackwood is adorable, Arthur Darvill is underappreciated, and let's leave it at that.
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Awww. *blushes* Thank you. (It's like having Buffy back, I love it! *pets meta-saturated show*)
Annnnnndd yep. :D Bingo. First time I saw it, same thing. And then he brought it up again in F&S, and I yelped.
Same here. (And good thing I was right. I don't think my cat would be very tasty.)
1. RHYS! Haven't got through nearly enough TW yet, but from what I've seen? Love him! :D I agree.
Rhys is AWESOME! And he's just a guy - not particularly goodlooking, or athletic or anything, but no one for a minute wonders why Gwen loves him, or chooses him over Jack.
2. Shadow of the Doctor indeed, but that's what makes him SO AWESOME.
*grins*
Rory is everything Mickey could only be in his wildest dreams. Same position. Girl runs off with Doctor, travels through time and space. Only, Rory bloody well gets the girl, and DESERVES it! :D
Well I think Mickey is a pretty awesome hero in his own right. How would Rory have reacted if Amy had unequivocally chosen the Doctor over him? I don't know. Mostly I think Mickey suffered greatly from the writing, and I was very happy with his eventual ending. I am just thrilled to pieces that Amy wasn't another Rose. (Not that I dislike Rose. It's just that we've been there, done that, and it's nice to get a new story.)
Moffat: Doctor/TARDIS shipper. Oh, you beauty. :D That, and perhaps a bit of Doctor/River :D But absolutely a Doctor/TARDIS shipper, but then, who WOULDN'T be?
Indeed. The TARDIS is after all his oldest, and most faithful, companion.
Basically... Run. <3 The Eleventh Hour holds a special place in my heart. It's brilliant. I can never, NEVER decide between The Eleventh Hour, The Pandorica Opens, and The Big Bang. One of them's my favorite, but it tends to fluctuate between them with no apparent pattern... :D
I'm not one for choosing favourite things. (I'll just say that the whole season is my favourite and leave it at that, because it's all so intricately woven together that it's hard to pinpoint one thing without dragging everything else in.)
Done ranting... For the moment. ^.^ Steven Moffat is incredible, Matt Smith is brilliant, Karen Gillan is hysterical, Caitlin Blackwood is adorable, Arthur Darvill is underappreciated, and let's leave it at that.
Word. :)
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Rhys and Rory. Normal guys are great. I love the mad ones (/coughDoctorandJackcough/) but normal ones just make me SMILE. :D Which, if you ask me, is exactly why Amy correctly makes the choice she does. Well, maybe.
Point about Mickey - sorry if I didn't make it clear, I adore Mickey, too! :D Definitely a hero. I respect any guy who can save the world with a big yellow truck, yeah? And definitely agreeing about not another Rose. But still think Rory tops over Mickey any day.
Ooph. Rory, if Amy had chosen the Doctor? /winces/ Honestly? I don't know what he'd do. We've never seen a truly Amy-less Rory before. Who knows what he's like without her? Rory can be a cuddly teddy bear, but then, he can also be a BAMF when the time calls for it - and if you don't believe me, I still have the link to the picture in my copy-paste to prove it: http://www.majhost.com/gallery/curlybeach/arthur-spam/lolrory.png
:D I choose favorites, but not in any particular order. I'll pick three favorite episodes, and say they're my favorites, but never is just one of them my favorite. Same with all episodes, really. I have a top fifteen episodes, but never, NEVER ask me to pick which ones even make the top five.
:) /skips off to read more fanfiction, vaguely wondering when I'll get to see the next bit of Pete's World from you ^.~/
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It's only 7 seasons (144 episodes) - you'll catch up in no time! ;)
I love the mad ones (/coughDoctorandJackcough/) but normal ones just make me SMILE. :D Which, if you ask me, is exactly why Amy correctly makes the choice she does.
Right there with you!
Definitely a hero. I respect any guy who can save the world with a big yellow truck, yeah?
Oh yeah.
But still think Rory tops over Mickey any day.
TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!!
I don't know what he'd do. We've never seen a truly Amy-less Rory before. Who knows what he's like without her?
It's funny that the sheer impossibility of that is so great. I just can't imagine them with other people...
if you don't believe me, I still have the link to the picture in my copy-paste to prove it: http://www.majhost.com/gallery/curlybeach/arthur-spam/lolrory.png
LOL! Yes, I've seen that! :)
I have a top fifteen episodes, but never, NEVER ask me to pick which ones even make the top five.
Yup, that's me.
:) /skips off to read more fanfiction, vaguely wondering when I'll get to see the next bit of Pete's World from you ^.~/
Well it'll be a while yet, but I did just post my HUGE GIGANTIC 'The Big Bang' reaction post if you'd like some more meta...
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/leaps for joy and looks/
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