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It's birthday time again and look at what ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
kathyh made for me!!!! (Or rather what I cajoled her into making... *g*). I hope you like, ladies!
So - Happy Birthday toopalescence_ and stoney321 (who won't see this, but...). I hope you have a fabulous day and enjoy your Spike! :)
In other news we watched 'Revelations' (3.07):
More Tai Chi...
Darcy's comment: "His hair gets pointier every episode!"
Me: "Buffy must be bringing him hair gel..."
A little later, after one of their almost-kisses:
Buffy: Sorry. It's just... old habit. Bad, bad habit to be broken.
Angel: It's hard.
Buffy: It's not hard. Cold turkey. That's the key to quitting.
Darcy: No, Buffy - it's hard!
Me: [collapses]
Sometimes I adore my husband too much for words! :)
There was something else... oh yes, the Scoobie meeting where they all confront Buffy with their knowledge of Angel. Which brings up another point: Everyone consistently calls him 'Angel' throughout S2 (and 3). The *only* time he's ever referred to as 'Angelus' is when Spike first meets him in School Hard. After that it's 'Angel' all the way. The 'Angelus' thing is very much something from AtS!
Anyway, that scene is *so* uncomfortable. And I found myself comparing it with 'Beneath You' and decided that all told Buffy had it a lot easier with Spike. And *Spike* had it easier. See in S3 the Scoobies are worried for themselves, because Angelus went after Buffy's friends. In S7 they're worried for Buffy, because Spike was obsessed with her. The dynamic is completely different. Also Spike never killed anyone Buffy was close to:
Revelations:
Xander: Hope not. Because I think you're harboring a vicious killer.
Buffy: It was wrong, okay? I know that, and I know that it can't happen again. But you guys have to believe me. I would never put you in any danger. If I thought for a second that Angel was going to hurt anyone...
Xander: ...you would stop him. Like you did last time with Ms. Calendar.
Beneath You:
XANDER: OK, in the biggest way, I am not loving this plan. (to Buffy) I am not loving Spike. (whispering) He tried to rape you.
BUFFY: And he failed. I know I can take him. Xander, take Nancy home. Spike and I will patrol.
Basically I just don't like the episode much. Even Darcy was complaining that the Scoobies were being stupid in not seeing that Souled!Angel was different from Angelus, and that Gwendolin Post was *evil* and needed a smack-down. Also hate her effect on Faith. Meh.
ETA: It's a very good episode of course, where all the story lines get moved forward etc. I just don't enjoy it very much.
kathyh made for me!!!! (Or rather what I cajoled her into making... *g*). I hope you like, ladies!So - Happy Birthday to
opalescence_ and stoney321 (who won't see this, but...). I hope you have a fabulous day and enjoy your Spike! :)In other news we watched 'Revelations' (3.07):
More Tai Chi...
Darcy's comment: "His hair gets pointier every episode!"
Me: "Buffy must be bringing him hair gel..."
A little later, after one of their almost-kisses:
Buffy: Sorry. It's just... old habit. Bad, bad habit to be broken.
Angel: It's hard.
Buffy: It's not hard. Cold turkey. That's the key to quitting.
Darcy: No, Buffy - it's hard!
Me: [collapses]
Sometimes I adore my husband too much for words! :)
There was something else... oh yes, the Scoobie meeting where they all confront Buffy with their knowledge of Angel. Which brings up another point: Everyone consistently calls him 'Angel' throughout S2 (and 3). The *only* time he's ever referred to as 'Angelus' is when Spike first meets him in School Hard. After that it's 'Angel' all the way. The 'Angelus' thing is very much something from AtS!
Anyway, that scene is *so* uncomfortable. And I found myself comparing it with 'Beneath You' and decided that all told Buffy had it a lot easier with Spike. And *Spike* had it easier. See in S3 the Scoobies are worried for themselves, because Angelus went after Buffy's friends. In S7 they're worried for Buffy, because Spike was obsessed with her. The dynamic is completely different. Also Spike never killed anyone Buffy was close to:
Revelations:
Xander: Hope not. Because I think you're harboring a vicious killer.
Buffy: It was wrong, okay? I know that, and I know that it can't happen again. But you guys have to believe me. I would never put you in any danger. If I thought for a second that Angel was going to hurt anyone...
Xander: ...you would stop him. Like you did last time with Ms. Calendar.
Beneath You:
XANDER: OK, in the biggest way, I am not loving this plan. (to Buffy) I am not loving Spike. (whispering) He tried to rape you.
BUFFY: And he failed. I know I can take him. Xander, take Nancy home. Spike and I will patrol.
Basically I just don't like the episode much. Even Darcy was complaining that the Scoobies were being stupid in not seeing that Souled!Angel was different from Angelus, and that Gwendolin Post was *evil* and needed a smack-down. Also hate her effect on Faith. Meh.
ETA: It's a very good episode of course, where all the story lines get moved forward etc. I just don't enjoy it very much.
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I don't blame the Scoobies for being scared, and seeing Buffy kiss Angel was about the worst possible thing for Xander to walk into, but I always felt the difference between Giles's reaction and Xander's was significant. Giles was expressing his own feelings, understated and sincere, in a private setting. Xander used the others, imo, to punish Buffy for making the wrong choice, and he did it in public. He used his words, and Ms. Calender, as weapons. I've always found it hard to watch this scene, and the one in Dead Man's Party, for this reason. I never felt his heart was in the right place, but instead was motivated by jealousy, because Buffy always picked the undead over anyone human.
I know I'm being harsh, and I don't mean to be. I like Xander, and his role on Buffy, but in this, I'm not sympathetic to him and the others for ganging up on Buffy and demanding to be privy to every single aspect of her life.
And hi!
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I love it when people de-lurk. :) Do you want me to friend back btw? I'm hopeless at keeping up with my flist though, just to warn you.
I like Xander, and his role on Buffy, but in this, I'm not sympathetic to him and the others for ganging up on Buffy and demanding to be privy to every single aspect of her life.
Xander can be awfully harsh and mean. He's exactly the same in 'Becoming I' when Buffy finds the re-souling spell, and even in 'Prophecy Girl' when Buffy won't go with him to the prom.
So yes, it's a horrible scene, but - looking at it structurally - it sets up the confrontation with Giles very well.
Anyway, please feel free to de-lurk as much as you like. :)