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Hmmm.

First of all, this whole negativity thing really isn't me. I am a Polly-Anna, even trying to find the hidden gems in AYW... I really, truly wish I enjoyed s8. But...

If this is Season 8 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, then please pray tell me - where are the vampires? Every single season (except for s1, but that's different) has opened in a cemetary with the slaying of vampires. The teaser always told us a great deal about what to expect from the year ahead, and how things had been during the summer.

Now I get the fact that s8 is new and different - and we still open with a fight scene (nasty demons, ritual sacrifice, strange markings), and technically I can't fault it. It does a great job and of course we have to move on. We're not in Sunnydale anymore... but surely there are vampires everywhere? Have we even *seen* a stake?

I feel like something's been lost.

And again this is where there's a difference between BtVS and AtS - BtVS is about Buffy: Who she is (Slayer, comma, the. Chosen One) and what she does (She who hangs out in cemeteries a lot). If she's not fighting - if she isn't a vampire Slayer - what's the point? But AtS is about Angel. Full stop. The entire show is inherent in his character (vampire with a soul).

It's very early, so I'm not really sure where I'm going with this. I think it comes down to the fact that I don't think BtVS is complete without vampires. (And no, those in Buffy's subconscious do not count.) [ETA: I also am not thinking about Spike and Angel. I mean vampires that need staking!] I know they might turn up later - but this is the opener! This is the ep. that spells out the themes of the season. And there is not a single vampire.

We have pretty logos all over the place, but so far it feels a little like Disney - when was the last time you actually watched Mickey Mouse?

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We have pretty logos all over the place, but so far it feels a little like Disney - when was the last time you actually watched Mickey Mouse?

Yes - totally agree. Also, I never thought I'd be in the position of worrying about Joss's influence on Brian Lynch vis-a-vis IDW's AtS series but I find I very much am. I'd rather he stayed well away from it and let Brian do his thing.

I'd rather he stayed well away from it and let Brian do his thing.
Oh I know what you mean. What consoles me though, is that they *had* planned a S6. Joss has said that he's always known what happened in the alley - he wasn't out of ideas for Angel. So I'm crossing my fingers. :)

Me too.

Should say, it's by no means certain that what we're going to get is what Joss originally had planned. It may be something entirely diffierent.

However, I'm still pretty certain poor old Wesley will be resurrected just so Illyria can torture him some more.

it's by no means certain that what we're going to get is what Joss originally had planned. It may be something entirely diffierent.
Oh I've thought that too. Still, I am unable to stop being excited.

I'm still pretty certain poor old Wesley will be resurrected just so Illyria can torture him some more.
I wouldn't mind that at all! :)

If this is Season 8 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, then please pray tell me - where are the vampires? Every single season (except for s1, but that's different) has opened in a cemetary with the slaying of vampires.
Exactly! It doesn't have to be our two favorites because they have their own comics but there hasn't been any sign of a single one. "shakes head"

Someone mentioned it a few months ago, and it popped into my head this morning. *shakes head too*

Yes - Why have a series called "Buffy, the VAMPIRE Slayer" if there are no vampires?

Why can't I stop nit-picking? I don't want Buffy to fight humanity, I want her to stake something.

There are no vampires 'cause there's no Buffy. Sure there's some weird, half-assed drawing that is running around being addressed as Buffy, but there's no 'Buffy', the thing the show was about, the thing that made the show so good even when 'the Buffy' wasn't really about Buffy.

So we have ~~Buffy~~, the ~~Vampire~~ Slayer. The Slayer. A somewhat broad, meandering term with no real point...kind of like the comics. It's kind of fitting.

:P

there's no 'Buffy', the thing the show was about, the thing that made the show so good even when 'the Buffy' wasn't really about Buffy.
::much nodding:: I think I could probably really like this Buffy, truth be told, if only she'd look like Buffy. And dress like her. *deep sigh* As I said to

aycheb a little while ago, there is nothing in ep 1 for me to latch onto emotinally. And that is it's greatest failing. If we don't care - well what's the point? Also it's disappointing, because Joss could *always* make us care - heck I cared deeply about every single person in Firefly after watching the pilot.

A somewhat broad, meandering term with no real point...kind of like the comics. It's kind of fitting.
Heh. I've still got hope that Joss'll do something interesting, but I'm kinda glad it'll be months before the next one. Currently the whole thing is just bothering me. *goes back to reading Spike:Asylum'*

there is nothing in ep 1 for me to latch onto emotinally.

Uh huh. And to be honest, I don't buy the 'it's just one episode' defense because it's not. It's one arc in the same vein as CWDP-Showtime only not nearly as good. Even if I did think it was really just one ep, like you say, there's nothing there to grab you emotionally and that's sad because the first installment is the one that should latch onto you.

Months. Months. 4-5 years this thing will take to run its course. That in and of itself is enough to convince me Joss has split his nut.

It's one arc in the same vein as CWDP-Showtime only not nearly as good.
Indeed. Anyway, I've discovered that the less I think about it, the happier I am. Also Doctor Who is *awesome* at the moment bringing the squee in spades. S8 brings grumbles. Ergo, S8 can go jump in a lake. And I'll get my Buffy fix from fanfic, which is *also* bringing the squee in spades.

Months. Months. 4-5 years this thing will take to run its course.
It's like a WIP that gets updates monthly... except WIPs are slow because the writers have real jobs to attend to primarily. Oh and did you see this? *whistles innocently*

And also the updates are much more satisfying in fic because they're written to a specific audience. A Buffy fan doesn't have to sift through Giles or whomever exposition in order to get to Buffy's story. Same with a Xander fan or Willow fan. Now, it would be pointless to mention that Joss had the perfect setup for that after AtS S5, but it's true. Here, he's cramming everyone into one storyline. If they're going to do a Faith one, it would be better off if she had her own offshoot comic because the *last* thing they need in the Scotland group is another prominent character. The question is will Joss be able to stop himself from taunting one more shipper group.

And ugh, I just read your other Riley post. I wonder if Joss is going to make him a wonder boy still or, like with other storylines, play to the fanbase who hate him. I think he's probably the most disliked because both Spuffies and Bangels hate him.

That reviewer is a smart woman. The dissenter kind of reminds me of someone. Not gonna mention who. IMO, comics need their own resolution in each issue except in rare cases. Even if it's only a B-plot, there has to be *some* kind of conclusion. In TV, there's next week, not next month.

Here, he's cramming everyone into one storyline.
Indeed. And the thing is, it *can* be done well - there's a reason I mentioned Elfquest, because that is a truly *excellent* comic book series, with an episc plot and a *huge* cast. And yet it is all balanced perfectly, because it is a comic book and not trying to be a TV show... characters not needed easily slip into the background.

Now, it would be pointless to mention that Joss had the perfect setup for that after AtS S5, but it's true.
I am beginning to get *seriously* impatient for S6...

And ugh, I just read your other Riley post.
Heh. Doubt he'll show up, but that quote from 'The Initiative' just popped up in my head, and then I was remembering AYW and all Riley's gear... I really do not like the military set-up for S8!

Even if it's only a B-plot, there has to be *some* kind of conclusion. In TV, there's next week, not next month.
We are very much in agreement! (Are you watching Doctor Who? 'Tis most excellent and brings much squee. I am determined to purge my mind of s8 and concentrate on fic and The Doctor.)

I really do not like the military set-up for S8!

Indeed. :( It didn't really work for me in S4, but at least then it has such strong characterization that more than made up for the faults in the Initiative plot. I mean, yeah, I get it, Buffy's not alone anymore, but since when does Buffy need to tap Willow's magic? Buffy's ingenuity is what made her so cool! Picket fence stake! Hair accessory weapons! Cleverly dosing vamps with holy water! Now she's teaming up with Willow for a Care Bear Stare or whatever.

And no, I can't get Dr. Who. Well, I could, but I don't watch any TV at all anymore, really, and I just can't justify it to myself to spend $60/month on a satellite package just to watch one show.

It didn't really work for me in S4, but at least then it has such strong characterization that more than made up for the faults in the Initiative plot.
Also, of course, The Initiative was shown to be a *failure*. And now Buffy is looking v. smiliar... OK, so she's not experimenting on vamps, but the whole set-up has those echoes. I'm just waiting for her to be codenamed 'Lilac'! ;)

I just can't justify it to myself to spend $60/month on a satellite package just to watch one show.
Ah no, I can see that. Of course there *are* other ways... if you don't mind downloading it? There are people I could talk to. *looks shifty*

I'm just waiting for her to be codenamed 'Lilac'! ;)

or Tara Anne Joyce. :P

I live in a technological backwater in Pennsylvania that can still only get dialup. :| It takes me about 2 hours just to DL the comics. :(

or Tara Anne Joyce. :P
*snicker*

I live in a technological backwater in Pennsylvania that can still only get dialup. :|
Eeeek! Nevermind then. Oh and I was going to re-upload issues for you, wasn't I? Um... come back tomorrow. :)

You are too kind. :)

I think the words you might be looking for are scatterbrained and slow! ;)

Well, I think that Joss screwed over his own mythos with Season 7 and the 'sharing of the power', because it's no longer "In every generation there is a Chosen One. She alone will stand against the vampires, the demons and the forces of darkness. She is the Slayer." Now, it's a couple thousand slayers with a quasi-military base of operations. And while I may find the entire penes vs. vaginae premise that Joss has come up with as his arc rather ridiculous, I can't really blame the military idiot for being worried about a group of superhumans (male or female) backed by an unknown and well-equipped organization.

Maybe there are no vampires because there really is no longer a vampire slayer; just a bunch of X-women. (Oh, and the only stake I've seen was at the end of the Scythe.)

Maybe by the end of the comic, all the baby slayers will lose their powers and go back to just being Potentials until Faith dies and then the next true Slayer is called. Or maybe n this story, Buffy will do whatever it was that caused the destruction of the Slayer line and set up the Fray universe. God, I hope so, because I really dislike all the slayers running around.

Now, it's a couple thousand slayers with a quasi-military base of operations.
See I have no problem with there being thousands of Slayers, but the military style operation just doesn't sit well with me. Where did it all come from? Did Xander set up? Oh! ::has brainwave:: It really *is* S4, but with Buffy as the Initiative:

Spike : And, uh, they are? The government? Nazis? A major cosmetics company?
Vampire : Who cares? All I know is, one minute I'm running from the slayer,
And the next thing, I'm here.
Spike : The slayer! I knew it! I knew it!
Vampire : Yeah, she took apart my crew, and led me straight to these guys.
Spike : She set me up, too. I always worried what would happen when that bitch got some funding. She's wised up a bit. Fine! I'll take her apart. I don't care how brilliant she is.

Oh and The General ain't anti-women, he's anti-superpowered beings. Essentially he's worried Buffy will do a Jasmine.

Oh, and the only stake I've seen was at the end of the Scythe.
Yeah, I thought of that too. But it doesn't really count, does it? No matter the cute quips Spike threw her way in 'End of Days'.

maybe n this story, Buffy will do whatever it was that caused the destruction of the Slayer line and set up the Fray universe.
That is quite possible. Let me know in 5 years time or whenever this thing's finished, 'K?

That is quite possible. Let me know in 5 years time or whenever this thing's finished, 'K?

Heh. Season 8 - the season that never ends. *g*

Oh and The General ain't anti-women, he's anti-superpowered beings.

Well, it was Buffy that was going on about him being worried about women being strong, so...

But, yeah, General What's his name is worried about super-powerful beings deciding they'd want to run the world the way they thought it should be. And he's worried about their strength coming from demons. But how did he find out Buffy's power came from a demon? Even Buffy didn't know until Get It Done.

Heh. Season 8 - the season that never ends. *g*
Oh noes! It's a nightmare!

But how did he find out Buffy's power came from a demon? Even Buffy didn't know until Get It Done.
More importantly - how does he know that *Buffy* knows? How many people witnessed her jumping into the portal in GiD? How many people did she tell about what she found out? This guy's got an *awful* lot of info...

but surely there are vampires everywhere? Have we even *seen* a stake?

Only in Buffy's dreamspace. Which creates a strange "Normal Again"-ish feel...

Which creates a strange "Normal Again"-ish feel...
*hums the theme to X-Files...*

We need Buffy to stake vampires!!!!!!!! how can she be a VAMPIRE slayer if there are not vampires to slay?????

In a nutshell! My Buffy is a Vampire Slayer. She also loves shopping.

I feel like something's been lost.

I think what's happening is that the show's premise, which was always based on a sort of horror-movie standard idea of Buffy as the hero because of what she opposes - vampires and demons - has turned into something else, something about the idea of a "Slayer" being a strong woman in a harsh world, metaphorically speaking. So the menaces have to be bigger and scarier and more concerned with fighting Buffy personally rather than threatening the world at large, the kids in playgrounds and high schoolers at make-out spots and hapless people in alleys that Buffy used to save on a daily basis. So yeah, I'd agree with you about the lack of vampires - it changes everything. If vampires and demons aren't a constant threat - if they don't need to be staked every night anymore because there are too many Slayers now - then the world has changed. But we haven't been shown that. What we have been shown is Big Bads who have a beef with Buffy herself, personally, rather than having their own evil agendas which Buffy must then sleuth out and stop in order to save other people. That does indeed change her status - she's no longer a protector-hero, guarding a community, but sort of a high-level trouble magnet, and that reminds me, more than anything else, of Angel Season 5. Buffy is very separated from the "small stuff."

But then, so is everybody else we've seen! It could sort of make sense to have Buffy be on a different level from the other Slayers - she's the oldest, the most experienced, the leader, etc. - but we haven't really seen other Slayers doing the day-to-day work of staking vampires either. So far the narrative hasn't really allowed us to get away from all this elite academy training to see how the world has changed because of all these Slayers. In that sense, this story honestly has more in common with movies set in military schools, where it's all about how the earnest cadets master the drills and gain self-esteem.

I think what's happening is that the show's premise, has turned into something else
::nods:: I also think that rather than the story being moulded to fit Buffy, Buffy is being moulded to fit the story.

What we have been shown is Big Bads who have a beef with Buffy herself, personally, rather than having their own evil agendas which Buffy must then sleuth out and stop in order to save other people.
That is a brilliant point. And I'm still not convinced that Buffy vs. humanity is a story that needs telling. Or rather that it is a story that I'm interested in hearing. Mostly I find that the less I think about s8, the happier I am.

and that reminds me, more than anything else, of Angel Season 5. Buffy is very separated from the "small stuff."
Oh I've thought that too. Waffled about it at some length on

stormwreath's meta post too. Also I think that what the General fears is that Buffy will do what Jasmine tried. (Same story, different circumstances.) Actually the whole thing has been done so beautifully on AtS, that I'm kinda worn out by the whole 'power' issue - although I wonder what Buffy *would* do with giant heaps of it? Would she want it?

Angel: You didn't spend your life obsessed with good and evil. You do that, you get swallowed, lost in the minutia. Good, bad, Angel, Angelus— None of it makes a difference. I wish it did, but, you know, an ant with the best intentions or the most diabolical schemes is just exactly an ant. There is one thing in this business, in this apocalypse that we call a world that matters: Power. Power tips the scale, power sets the course, and until I have real power, global power, I have nothing. I accomplish nothing.

And there is not a single vampire.

Not actually drawn ("on screen"), no. But they're mentioned a couple of times.

RENEE: Mister Harris, we've got a development with the Barcelona squad. Vamp nest looks a lot bigger than they thought.

BIG DEMON: Sssstupid human, I am no vampire. You think I fear the cross?
BUFFY: (*SHUUK!*) Might wanna start.

But they're mentioned a couple of times.
True. 'S not the same though.

(Reposting to fix a tag error, sorry!)

Aw, even if I'm past caring, it just seems wrong for you to be unable to enjoy the Season 8 comic. Let's see if I can come up with some kind of helpful response to the "Where are the vampires?" question. :-)

On the one hand, they're kind of small fry at this point. Although Buffy kept staking vamps all the way through the TV show, they haven't really been major threats since season 3 or thereabouts, in the form of Mr. Trick and Kakistos. (I'm reluctant to count the Ubervamps as vampires--they seem more like Orcs--but in any case their threat level seemed to be kind of plot-dependent.) Even though a newbie Slayer should have more trouble with the average street vamp, they do have the advantage of numbers, so at this point the basic Slayer-versus-Vamp matchup may strike the writer as insufficiently dramatic.

But there's another aspect to this as well. A lot of people thought the closing pages of issue 4 were reminiscent of X-Men, but I think that may just be because their main exposure to superhero comics has been through movie adaptations and Joss Whedon comics. The notion of "the world hates us because we're powerful and different" is pretty common in comics, but there's another standard genre theme that seems even more relevant...

Superheroes are normally a pretty conservative lot, since all their time and energy is devoted to fending off threats to the status quo. But if it weren't for the continuing peril of supervillainy, they might be able to put their powers to better use--stopping conflicts and poverty, famine relief, you name it. Even deep-rooted issues like gender discrimation, political corruption, or human mortality could yield before the godlike powers and superscience of a comic-book hero. So after the good guys have beaten all the bad guys, what do they do next? Go to Disneyland, or change the world?

This scenario has been explored in a ton of superhero comics. Alan Moore's Watchmen and Miracleman both end with the heroes changing or taking over the world, but personally I'm fonder of stories like The Authority or Squadron Supreme that continue on past that point and show the heroes grappling with the messy realities of bullying governments and running the planet. Even Marvel's current Civil War crossover is heading into this territory, showing a world where the heroes have suppressed the villains so successfully that they've now gone to war with each other over the question of how they should relate to human society.

Looking at the ending of Chosen and the early issues of Season 8, I think Joss Whedon is trying to steer Buffy into the same territory. After destroying the Hellmouth, inexplicably defeating Satan itself, and creating an army of hundreds of shiny new superheroes, Buffy has tipped the scales in favor of the good guys so heavily that ridding the world of demonic evil is little more than a formality. So what comes next? This seems to be the question that Evil Pentagon Guy is fretting about, and even though Buffy herself doesn't seem to have given it a lot of thought, the "changing the world" rhetoric we've been hearing since Chosen suggests that it's a natural next step.

From a storytelling standpoint, though, it's a bit frustrating. Not only has Whedon not shown us a Slayer Army decisively turning the tide against the forces of darkness, he hasn't even told us this is happening, and certainly the last season of Angel gave us no hint that the events of Chosen have had any effect on the state of the world. Thus Season 8 seems to be rushing ahead to discuss the ramifications of stuff the heroes haven't even gotten around to doing yet. In the meantime, somebody still has to finish the job of staking all those damned vampires. :-)

Aw, even if I'm past caring, it just seems wrong for you to be unable to enjoy the Season 8 comic.
That so sweet of you!

thedeadlyhook is a very lucky woman! But I'm not entirely sure it was worth your while - I've discovered that the less I think about s8, the happier I am! ;)

This seems to be the question that Evil Pentagon Guy is fretting about, and even though Buffy herself doesn't seem to have given it a lot of thought, the "changing the world" rhetoric we've been hearing since Chosen suggests that it's a natural next step.
*nods* It all echoes the Jasmine storyline from AtS S4 of course - except that where this was Jasmine's focus all along, it is obviously blindsiding Buffy.

Thus Season 8 seems to be rushing ahead to discuss the ramifications of stuff the heroes haven't even gotten around to doing yet. In the meantime, somebody still has to finish the job of staking all those damned vampires. :-)
Yes yes yes! If Buffy's Slayer army is indeed going to stop the tide of darkness, then S5 of Angel - and the finale in particular - stops having any kind of meaning.

Thank you lots for all your thoughts - the meta discussions arising from the comics seem a lot more interesting than the books themselves! Anyway, it'll be months before anything happens, and I'm not even sure I'll bother once it all starts up again. *wanders off looking for fic*

Not to keep dragging you back into the Season 8 morass, but before you skip along to greener pastures... :-)

It all echoes the Jasmine storyline from AtS S4 of course - except that where this was Jasmine's focus all along, it is obviously blindsiding Buffy.

Interesting comparison! Of course Buffy won't be snacking on yummy humans while she's creating her global order of peace and happiness - we think! - but yeah, the Jasmine example suggests that a one-sided victory for the "good guys" may not be all that desirable either.

The idea that the forces of darkness provide a kind of balancing function to keep the good guys from running amuck is actually a central theme of the supernatural Night Watch series by Russian author Sergei Lukyanenko. The movie version was insanely cool, but the original novels - now available in English translation - do a better job of exploring the implications of this good-versus-evil theme. If this particular subject intrigues you, you might want to check out the first Night Watch novel.

Meanwhile, I think you hit on something really important with your comment below...

What I meant was that she's isolated from the people she's protecting.

Yes, that's exactly it! Angel tended to separate himself even from his own allies, and even Buffy was headed that way in the later seasons. But the Buffy we see in Season 8 has built herself a cozy little community, where she's happy friends with all the Scoobies and seems to have grown into a genuine leader of her fellow Slayers. Meanwhile, she's getting ready to wage war on the human society that the Slayers are supposedly there to protect. One imagines this could be a problem.

Thanks for the excellent insights, and enjoy your diversions! :-)

but before you skip along to greener pastures... :-)
Hey, that's more than fine. I always love discussing stuff! :)

the Jasmine example suggests that a one-sided victory for the "good guys" may not be all that desirable either.
I wrote about it more indepth here, (linking you cause I don't have time to go into it again).

If this particular subject intrigues you, you might want to check out the first Night Watch novel.
*makes note*

Yes, that's exactly it!
:) I knew there was a problem with that castle, it just took me a while to work out why.

One imagines this could be a problem.
Heh. Although as I also said below, it is fascinating - and yet might not be explored as well as it should given the medium...

Thanks for the excellent insights, and enjoy your diversions! :-)
Thank you for your very thoughtprovoking comments. You've made me appreciate the season much more than before. :)

Buffy is a Vampire Slayer was the premise of the movie, the premise of the series went beyond simple horror movie pastiche. Initially “High School is Hell” it became “Life is Hell” and the comics certainly seem to be mining the same rich metaphorical vein using the Slayer.org set up to look at the new adult hell of being an actual authority figure directly responsible for other people whether children, employees or students. I would have said that makes things emotionally resonant as well as fun but YMMV.

The world has changed so they show that by beginning with a helicopter drop not a cemetery patrol that’s the point. Not one girl alone and not vampire by vampire but nest by nest. They are still interesting in rescuing the victims though, as that seemed to be the point of the mission, they only found out later that the 'victims' were willing sacrifices. It is interesting that the General seems prepared to attack the Slayers before all the nests are taken out. Either he thinks the Slayers are more of a threat than mere monsters (who already run this world apparently through W&H) or the Twilight (of the Gods? Ragnorak?) people have their own plans to rid the world of demons. The set up has intrigue, feminism and politics and all the problems of self-appointed defenders of humanity becoming distanced from the people they set out to help.

the comics certainly seem to be mining the same rich metaphorical vein using the Slayer.org set up to look at the new adult hell of being an actual authority figure directly responsible for other people whether children, employees or students.
I can see that. Buffy is as removed from things as Angel is in AtS S5. But Angel knew he was in trouble. Actually Buffy is not emotionally accessible to me in the comics, and that is a huge flaw.

Either he thinks the Slayers are more of a threat than mere monsters
He worries that Buffy will do a Jasmine and step into the power vacuum.

The set up has intrigue, feminism and politics and all the problems of self-appointed defenders of humanity becoming distanced from the people they set out to help.
Which again has been done in AtS 5 - and *beautifully* so, esp. because Angel doesn't go back to his roots. He takes his new role and uses it to the full, making the big decisions on behalf of humankind and quite possibly unleasing The Apocalypse. If Buffy will be brought to that point, and what choice she'll make, could make for an interesting story. Will she end up undoing the Chosen spell so we get the Fray 'verse?

See I can see the appeal - guess I'm just going to step back until the thing has unfolded and read it all in one go. This bitesized stuff is beyond frustrating... *goes back to Doctor Who*

In S5 Angel sold out to the man, Buffy hasn't done that she's overthrown him. If Angel was the Greenpeace radical working for Shell to pay for his kid's education Buffy is the suffragette leader who won the vote. She's not isolated from her people as Angel was and I think the problems that are going to arise will come more from her tendency to defend her own, put her * family,* which the new Slayers are part of, above the world than any Jasmine-like ambitions.

My Buffy is probably quite a different person from yours so I don't feel sorry for her in her castle. My Buffy's problem wasn't balancing human and Slayer but finding her vocation and bringing both aspects into it. Her situation now seems like those times at the beginning of your career when you're working crazy hours with no time for a social life but it all feels worth it because you're creating something good.

If Angel was the Greenpeace radical working for Shell to pay for his kid's education Buffy is the suffragette leader who won the vote.
Heh. Neat analogy. But then Angel goes on to destroy the oil indusry's stranglehold on the world. What will Buffy do with her vote?

She's not isolated from her people as Angel was
That is true, but then Angel was always more or less isolated. What I meant was that she's isolated from the people she's protecting. Possily more so than Angel - and certainly that is true in the physical sense.

I think the problems that are going to arise will come more from her tendency to defend her own, put her * family,* which the new Slayers are part of, above the world than any Jasmine-like ambitions.
Oh yes. Buffy is no Jasmine - but that's how she's preceived.

I don't feel sorry for her in her castle.
Well I'm happy on behalf of your Buffy. The Buffy I can see misses the world.

Her situation now seems like those times at the beginning of your career when you're working crazy hours with no time for a social life but it all feels worth it because you're creating something good.
Oh I can see that.

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