Go Joss!

[elisi]

"How sick am I of Noxon-bashing? Enough to break my rule of silence, certainly. I've had so many people rag on her for aspects of the show I developed, or praise me for things she came up with. She's been a vital part of everything people love about Buffy since she overhauled the halloween script in season two. She's as good a story-breaker as I've ever worked with. And she's a leader.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Vmars. You are uninformed and rude. That's mine."

joss

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12711


Damn straight! Thank you Joss!

(Snagged from frelling_tralk)

ETA: This of course also ties in with The Educated Fangirl's Guide To The Spike Wars!

Comments

[elisi]

Hey, I rather like Empty Places! *g* And - without it, there would have been no Touched! :)

[lusciousxander.livejournal.com]

They can have Touched and more touching Spuffy scenes without ruining the rest of my favorite characters for me. :)

[elisi]

I don't think they were ruined. The Scoobies and Potentials had every right to rebel against what they saw as a reckless plan.

They were both right - Buffy was right that Caleb was protecting something, and the others were right that her method for retrieving it was unsound.

[lusciousxander.livejournal.com]

That wasn't the part that ruined them for me. I do think they have the right to refuse to fall in line, but I didn't like Dawn asking Buffy to leave and then none of the others followed her, they didn't even talk about her in the next episode. I don't think the Scoobies would be like that with Buffy, we've seen them fight in the past but it wasn't like this. All of them became traitors? One or two should have at least stuck by Buffy's side to make the scene believable. Or maybe have Xander and Willow still be in the hospital, have Dawn with them as well.

It felt like a bad written Spuffy (or Spander) fic where all the Scoobies gang up on Buffy (or Xander) and Spike is the only one who cares. This is my honest opinion, I've always tried to understand the scene, heck, I've written many essays explaining the scene, but then I'd read many threads about "Scoobies the traitors" and hate the scene more. Maybe I should just stick to watching the episode and stop visiting net boards. :)

Or read a well written essay about it, but I don't really remember someone talking about it from the Scoobies' angle.

[elisi]

Hm. Amongst people's most common complaints about S7 is the fact that the Scoobies throw Buffy out - and 'the fact' that The First is such a useless villain. This never made any sense to me. It is *because* of The First's tactics that Buffy becomes so withdrawn and harsh (clear line from 'Get It Done' to 'Empty Places') and it is *because* of The First's undermining of her friends' trust that they end up unwilling to follow her. (I wrote an essay once about how The First is like Angelus, in case you're curious.) It's all part of the same thing. Like 'The Yoko Factor', but stretched over a whole season, and far more deadly.