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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2021-02-16 08:20 pm

Lockdown Update Day 336







With thanks to [personal profile] shadowkat:

#IStandWithRay Fisher & Charisma Carpenter..Movement (List of all the supporters to date) (She listed them all!)

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I've been thinking about the whole issue, because my main emotion is... relief? That maybe finally he'll face some consequences? I have zero emotional attachment to him at all. His shows? Yes. But Joss as a creator? Nope. And it wasn't any of the rumours or the skeevyness of Dollhouse (which I never watched) or any of that. Well. Of course I was aware and it became part of my general reason for pulling away from him, but the main reason, the thing I can't forgive? What he did to Buffy in the comics. (What he did to the whole 'verse.) If he could declare THAT canon, then... he wasn't the person I thought he was. What he saw when he looked at Buffy wasn't what I saw. (Maybe his original vision is what he gave us. I hope so. But to then tear that down and defile it?) (I'm sure the Whovians among you remember how cross I was with Kerblam! And that was [a single speech] in a single episode. I do not react well to writers betraying their characters.)

Although hey! I actually wrote an essay on this whole thing that very nearly got published! And I was SO POLITE.

The Whedonistas Essay that got away, aka 'BtVS Season 8: Please Mind the Gaps'
(Note: With every passing year I am more grateful that I escaped being associated with that dumpster fire.) (The comics/Joss, not the book! Many kudos to everyone who contributed.)

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Now, in looking through old tags I came across this link and I nearly DIED. Keep all liquids away from the keyboard. Here is s8 - try to work out which parts are actual plot & which are silly additions):

FIDDLEY BITS THEATER PRESENTS: SEASON 8: THE DIRECTOR’S SOCK MONKEY’S CUT

(Going over old stuff also reminded me of Xander/Dracula. Of all the madness of s8 that particular ship was rather sweet. Also the very fact that I am writing Xander/Dracula - and that it was a HIGHLIGHT - helps to prove all my points I think.)

But since I'm wandering down memory lane, have a few more links:

How to Win Friends and Alienate Readers
Can I say that this latest is just reconfirming my impression that the comic has succumbed to the general boy's club-ish atmosphere of comics fandom?

(ETA: And it's weird, because he criticised that exact thing before.)

The negative space *around* Marti Noxon
(I was trying find 'How Come It's Never Joss' Fault? The Scapegoating of Female Creators in Pop Culture.' but this post discussing it is equally great.)

You Might Have Post-Traumatic Joss Syndrome...
(And that's just from being a fan.)

OK, it's late, I keep disappearing down rabbit holes. Mostly... I gave up on Joss more than 10 years ago. Maybe if he hadn't been fêted as a great feminist - when his work increasingly was the opposite - I'd have cared more.

After all we all expect our heroes to have feet of clay these days. Mind you, I think the least we can all hope that they don't actually jump into the pig sty, head first. :( Of course the current 'revelations' are about people and behaviour and not just writing. Which is far worse. *sigh* I hope he takes things to heart and actually learns something. If not for his own sake, then for others'.

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No idea if that made any sense. (It's late, I'm tired.) If you want more thoughts on the comics, just follow the tag!



Final thought: It's the 'casually cruel' description that gets me.

ETA (I forget what number): Also, I like this thread: