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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2018-10-11 07:48 pm

Doctor Who S11.01 The Woman Who Fell To Earth (actual thoughts)

If anyone is curious, here is a trailer for The Man Who Fell to Earth, the 1976 movie about an alien who fell to earth, starring David Bowie. As a title it’s a very clever pun, and thankfully the episode is nothing at all like the movie, except for the titular alien. (Not that it isn't a fascinating film, but um, not really suitable for children.)

But onto my thoughts, such as they are this early on.



Chibnall Who

So, after 6 years of poetry we are back to prose. This is neither a bad thing, nor an ‘improvement’, it’s just a different kind of storytelling. What it does mean is that I can’t really compare this story to The Eleventh Hour - which would be the logical thing to do (new Doctor, new showrunner, new everything) - since The Eleventh Hour is a fairy tale. (I know I just said Moffat Who is poetry, but as you know it has layers). Instead we need to go back to Russell T Davies’ ‘Rose’ to find the ‘ordinary people’ into whose ‘ordinary lives’ an alien comes crashing down (literally!). Now for an indepth exploration of what ‘Rose’ did, you should read Liz Sandifer’s People Made of Smoke and Cities Made of Song (Rose), which delves into how the ordinary ‘normal’ tv world that Rose belongs to is invaded by weird sci-fi and how it draws her (and us) in. (It’s good, but very, very, very, very, very long.)

Now, however, I think we are one step further. I have repeatedly said that they were re-booting Doctor Who. RTD started it, changing some of the fundamentals, inventing The Time War, making the Doctor a Lonely Wanderer with the all the attendant guilt & a god complex on top, so that people felt this was a new show, something different from the silly monsters and wobbly sets. When Moffat took over he began putting things back together, fixing the Doctor, fixing his world, saving Gallifrey, and making the Doctor a renegade again [who stole a magic box and ran away]. There was a lot of soul-searching along the way, but - it worked. Reboot complete!

Now as I began to mull over The Woman Who Fell to Earth I realised that the tone, the texture of it all felt like Classic Who. So, what we have now, I think, is simply the Classic show in modern format. Of course it was a single hour of TV, rather than broken up into 4 or 6 twenty-five minute episodes (and thank goodness for that!), but you could go from the old show straight to this and immediately know it was the same thing.

Where RTD had to entice the viewers, explain/remind what Doctor Who was and what it did, and why, Chibnall has no such concerns. The show has been on for 13 years. All he wants is to get on with making Doctor Who - and he can! (Which is quite funny, considering the old!skool fans who whined about a ~lady~ Doctor…)


Thirteen

One of the ways we see the change/evolution/whatever is in the Doctor herself. All of our post-Time War Doctors have been fairly guarded, with various kinds of walls (charm, distraction, lies, rudeness), and the difference in Thirteen lies in her openness. She readily communicates her emotions and thoughts, no fuss.

The most striking moment is probably when she is asked about her family, but rather than giving a swift answer and then moving on (signalling that this is something marked Private), she gives a quiet reflection on how she carries those she has lost with her (and she was totally speaking about her Companions/friends, and not just the family she lost millennia ago). I was half-expecting her to echo Two’s ‘they sleep in mind’. It’s disarmingly open, and something (IMHO) borne out of Twelve’s great introspection.

And I like how she describes herself as ‘just a traveller’. (The Doctor in the TARDIS, next stop everywhere…)

The episode isn’t exactly brimming over with meta, but Promethia and I identified two Doctor mirrors: A dark one and a light one.

Dark Mirror - Tim Shaw

Come to earth to find someone special/chosen
When they get home, they will be a ruler
Carries a piece of their victims with them
The chosen one is kept in stasis between life and death. They're 'not important.'
Kills people by freezing them
Cheats. Also, the Doctor infers, cheats because they feel inadequate by the standards of their people
Is an alien who falls to Earth
The Doctor uses their transport pod to try to get back to her transport pod. And threatens to strand them on earth just as she's stranded.


Light mirror - Grace

Nurse
Adventurous and curious, rushing towards danger
Looks after her family
Brave - ready to jump into danger, no matter the cost to herself
Is a woman who ‘falls to Earth’
Ryan's monologue at the beginning is meant to make it sound as if he's talking about the Doctor, but then we find out he's talking about his Nan

And then Grace dies and Tim Shaw *might* be dead, we don’t know if he had a way to stop the micro bombs.

I don’t really know what to do with any of that, or what it means - is it in any way significant that the Doctor’s ‘light’ mirror died? I don’t even know if it’s an intentional thing. It’s quite possible that Tim Shaw was just a dick, and Grace was a tragic death.

Having re-watched it to see what actually happens, it seems Thirteen’s plan was quite similar to both Ten’s first episode and Eleven’s - send the bad guy back home so thoroughly beaten that the species would stop coming to Earth. Which is nicely consistent. :)



The Companions

Well, the Companions (or friends) are lovely and I look forward to getting to know them better. There’s a great article here on the BBC that should definitely read if you haven’t already seen it. Doctor Who: How the dyspraxic assistant became my hero. And I am v sad that Grace died, and yes it’s problematic.

However, there is the fact that no one blames Thirteen for Grace’s death, nor does the Doctor try to take responsibility for it - Grave’s actions and choices were hers, and hers only.

My only caveat wrt our new Companions is that I am straight back to my main issue with ‘Rose’: The shopgirl was never a point of identification, and although she was very nice I had been promised an alien!

Exactly the same here, except this time I am not curious about who the Doctor is; no this time I am busy being delighted every second Thirteen is on the screen and finding the others… less exciting. Not thanks to any lack on their part, Thirteen is just that mesmerising. <3

And here is her theme:



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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-11 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I think that's about as much meta as there is to be wrung out of this thing at this point. Well done.

And here is her theme:
Mmm, I like it.

doctor who is a lady!
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-12 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And posting makes other people contribute and automatically increases the ideas. (See sea_thoughts' comment on the LJ side.)
I did, thank you.

When I re-watched the confrontation on the crane I noticed it. :)
I rewatched last night and noticed it in the sonic-making scene. It was like, wait, wait! That was actual music there! Not just wobbly sounds!

The sister is watching as it airs this season (finally!) and made me lol:



Where is my boy Murray at?
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-12 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I first noticed it on my first rewatch in the train - when the Doctor falls through the roof of the train, we hear the Dr Who theme.
I loved that moment. It was almost fourth-wall breaking? Have we ever heard the theme tune in the show itself before? Also someone pointed out it cuts out almost immediately as soon as she notices the super coil, which is lol.

Love it. Although your begrudging acceptance of RTD is almost funnier...
=D Really, I'm still getting milage out of that? I thought that passed its sell-by date years ago. Never mind, though, I'll keep going . . .
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-13 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes it's very HERE IS THE DOCTOR! And then she has to go fix something.
DRAMATIC FANFAR--never mind, shit going down . . .

We shall keep being amused.
Well, I'm never actually going to get tired of taking digs at Rusty, so this all works out well.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-14 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
<3
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[personal profile] orangerful 2018-10-12 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Lots of great thoughts. I am so looking forward to the continued evolution of the series.
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[personal profile] maia 2018-10-12 10:45 am (UTC)(link)
So, after 6 years of poetry we are back to prose.

I love Thirteen, love all the characters, love the cast, but...I miss the poetry and fairytale.


The most striking moment is probably when she is asked about her family, but rather than giving a swift answer and then moving on (signalling that this is something marked Private), she gives a quiet reflection on how she carries those she has lost with her (and she was totally speaking about her Companions/friends, and not just the family she lost millennia ago). I was half-expecting her to echo Two’s ‘they sleep in mind’. It’s disarmingly open, and something (IMHO) borne out of Twelve’s great introspection.

Yes. It's also interesting because when earlier post-Time War Doctors have talked about their emotions, it usually had a tinge of self-pity (sometimes more than a tinge), and a feeling of separateness from other people - my-losses-are-worse-than-anyone-else's-and-no-one-else-can-ever-understand. When Thirteen talks about her losses, she does so not to separate herself from others but to connect. She talks about her losses because she's asked by people who have just lost someone; she isn't telling them how different she is but how similar. Her telling them is an act of kindness - her experience might help them (it does). Other Doctors have been kind, but Thirteen talks about her feelings in order to be kind.


Promethia and I identified two Doctor mirrors

What about Graham? He mirrors the Doctor in having thought he didn't have much time left, in having survived beyond what was expected: "So by rights I shouldn't even be here" - neither should the Doctor, but she got a new set of regenerations thanks to Clara. Graham and the Doctor were both given the grace to survive.


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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-12 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
Graham and the Doctor were both given the grace to survive.
There it is. I knew there had to be something specific about her name.

I was kind of toying with the idea of everybody being some variety of Doctor mirror:

Yaz is a police officer, the other great Doctor mirror line of work. ETA: oh, and the first thing we see of her is 'sorting out fair play' between the two women in the parking dispute.
Ryan wants to be a mechanic (mechanic skills being so prominent for the Doc in this ep) and (forgive me) failed his driving test.
And Graham was in the business of transporting people around and is a widower living out some bonus years.

ETA: oh, and yes, I'm with Elisi in loving your distinction about why and how the Doctor shares about loss.
Edited 2018-10-12 11:47 (UTC)
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[personal profile] maia 2018-10-12 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
Her theme reminds me of the "Funeral / Rebuilding Serenity" from the Firefly film Serenity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI7tvyI1MwQ&feature=youtu.be

- what I think of as the "life goes on" music.


And that reminds me of Mal's question and Zoe's reply, both of which were about both Serenity the ship and Zoe:

Mal: Think she'll hold together?
Zoe: She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true.



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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-13 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I read a comment somewhere that I really should have saved that said Grace was obviously doomed from the get-go, having one of those women's names that marks them for a tragic death. The others being Fatih, Hope, and Zoe.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2018-10-13 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That sounds right.
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[personal profile] maia 2018-10-14 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I never noticed that before, but now that you point it out...

*sigh*

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[personal profile] sea_thoughts 2018-10-11 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
As I said on Tumblr, with RTD, the science fiction is IN CONTRAST to the domesticity. With Moff, there is no separation: it's a time wound IN a bedroom wall, it's aliens IN the Wi-Fi, it's soufflés IN a Dalek Asylum. The weird is alllll around, the Doctor just enables you to see it. With Chibnall, it seems we're back to weirdness crashing (very literally in this episode) into 'real life'. Some people (Karl, Graham) would rather avoid it. Some people (Yasmin, Grace) are totally up for it. And some people (Ryan) are in between. And that's not a bad thing, it's just a different approach but it may be why I've seen a lot of "now that's proper Doctor Who!" from various reviews.

Thirteen was definitely thinking about the Ponds and River when she spoke about her family. Not to mention Nardole, Missy and Bill.

Ryan's dyspraxia was treated with great sympathy. Karl's anxiety? Not so much. Also Thirteen telling Karl that he had no right to kick Tim Shaw (who had stalked and threatened him) off the crane when she'd just set off five DNA bombs in him is certainly consistent with previous hypocritical Doctor statements, just not sure if it was meant to be seen as that?
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk (from livejournal.com) 2018-10-12 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
And that's not a bad thing, it's just a different approach but it may be why I've seen a lot of "now that's proper Doctor Who!" from various reviews.
I thought the design of the alien pod was superb. So striking and utterly different from anything we've seen on Doctor Who recently. It looks like it crashed in out of a Guillermo del Toro film. It totally gave me the 'weird alien thing invades the mundane real world' chills you'd think I'd be immune to by now. I mean, I prefer Moff's take, but it did work.

Also Thirteen telling Karl that he had no right to kick Tim Shaw (who had stalked and threatened him) off the crane when she'd just set off five DNA bombs in him is certainly consistent with previous hypocritical Doctor statements, just not sure if it was meant to be seen as that?
I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not she intended him to live under her plan? Which rather changes what her statement to Karl means.
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[personal profile] sea_thoughts 2018-10-12 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The alien pod as a psychedelic fig mushroom was great, I agree.

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not she intended him to live under her plan? Which rather changes what her statement to Karl means.

Yes, that's the thing, it was ambiguous. I expect the Doctor thought Tim might be able to get himself fixed if he went home. I just fail to see why Karl kicking Tim Shaw off a crane was somehow 'worse' than setting off five bombs in his actual DNA? *snark*
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk (from livejournal.com) 2018-10-13 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's the thing, it was ambiguous. I expect the Doctor thought Tim might be able to get himself fixed if he went home. I just fail to see why Karl kicking Tim Shaw off a crane was somehow 'worse' than setting off five bombs in his actual DNA? *snark*
I *want* to be like 'ooooh, chewy, problematic Doctor moment!' but I'm just stuck at 'whut?'
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[personal profile] sea_thoughts 2018-10-13 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm pretty much the same. *lol*
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[personal profile] sea_thoughts 2018-10-12 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It was funny, but I didn't really read it as anxiety? Which might be on me, cause that's a great observation.

He says he hates heights so if nothing else, he's clearly suffering from work-related anxiety and is using those mantras to control that anxiety. And it was all played for comedy.

Well at least all he got was a little telling off, she didn't end Britain's Golden Age...

*snort* It certainly wasn't on Ten's level, I agree, but it was still a bit of a "how is that WORSE than setting off BOMBS IN HIS BODY?" moment for me.
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[personal profile] sea_thoughts 2018-10-13 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You can mock the excesses of self-help culture without mocking someone's anxiety. They didn't need to take a potshot at that in this episode, I think.

Cute video!

[identity profile] classics-lover.livejournal.com 2018-10-11 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I came across a foolish gatekeeper trying to fansplain to Nail Gaiman why 13 isn't proper Doctor Who LOLOLOLOL

For anybody missing the context since @brendontoogood deleted his tweet. pic.twitter.com/vYgBIymCrV

— Lycan Subscribe (@TrailerDrake) October 9, 2018



My reaction to it was much more akin to a sustained squee of glee at the prospect of new Doctor who with the perfect actor in the role.

Oh, my gods that theme! ♥♥♥♥♥

[identity profile] classics-lover.livejournal.com 2018-10-12 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know whether t'was arrogance or ignorance, but it was GLORIOUS XD

[identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com 2018-10-12 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
So, after 6 years of poetry we are back to prose.

Yeahhhhh…. Which explains why I was underwhelmed, frankly. People can say what they will about Moffat, but his storytelling had a lyricism that you could sink your teeth into (i.e. you could never say it “wasn’t exactly brimming over with meta”…).

All of our post-Time War Doctors have been fairly guarded, with various kinds of walls (charm, distraction, lies, rudeness), and the difference in Thirteen lies in her openness. She readily communicates her emotions and thoughts, no fuss.

This, I do like! Though I wonder if that openness and optimism is in itself a kind of wall... (Note the repeated "should be fine!")

My only caveat wrt our new Companions is that I am straight back to my main issue with ‘Rose’: The shopgirl was never a point of identification, and although she was very nice I had been promised an alien!

Lolllllll. I’m having that issue more with the new companions than I did with Rose - sheerly because of the lack of clarity about POV. With Rose (and Martha, and Donna, etc…), you got a very clear, strong sense of whose story it was - you may not have been thrilled by Rose, but you GOT her, right away. With multiple companions... I like the idea of that, but in execution it lacks focus, which makes it harder to invest IMO.

[identity profile] verdande-mi.livejournal.com 2018-10-13 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
I was very happy with this Doctor :D She feels very right to me. I look forward to seeing more of her and getting to know her and the companions.

I always really loved the poetry of Moffat, his circular writing and the fairy-tale feel of it all. I know I will miss that, but I do think a new showrunner was a good idea at this point.