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'There’s a turn here, though, in which Doctor Who becomes a show that is about the pleasures of the text. It exists to be taken apart and read closely, so much so that there is almost no point at which the phrase “reading too much into things” applies. It is a show that is about reading extremely and perversely into things. When every single sentence can be as pregnant with meaning as this structure allows, what can “reading too much into things” even possibly mean? Moffat’s work, around this point, becomes strangely and wonderfully obsessed with testing the limits of what an episode of television can do. It is, in its own way, as fascinating and radical as Doctor Who has been since the Hartnell era.'
Philip Sandifer
Philip Sandifer
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Yes, but if she wanted to die, rather than lose her memories, who was he to say no? It was about removing her agency. She had the Doctor's mind invade hers without giving her consent, and then he took it away again. I don't think he should have let her die, obviously, but the consent issues are... deeply problematic. (The other issue I have is the implied notion that life without the Doctor is worse than death. This implied by both RTD and those hating him for Donna's ending. Moffat fixed SO MANY THINGS! I will ALWAYS be grateful for Amy, if nothing else, then as a counterpoint to Donna.)
That's a bit like the way I feel about Moffat. He wants to do powerful female figures, clearly, and on some instances it works great, but there remain a lot of problematic things.
The thing is, if you avoid problematic things altogether... You really can't tell very good stories. That doesn't mean writers shouldn't do stupid, avoidable things. But stories come from conflicts.
Good point about Harriet, too. And Harriet was so much WIN in every other bit…
At least she got a good ending. (I am having serious deja vu, here. Did I already reply? I can't see anything, but this is weird.)
Still more realistic than her walking around freely in Shakespeare's time, lol!
Weeeeell. That could probably happen.
Plus we could see Martha snark at the student jerks and cut the nurse down to size about medical knowledge… what more do they want? That's right, rewriting history.
What they want is everything. Both ways.
And to think I was sure it couldn't be worse XD
So did I... :(
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Yes, that's completely right, clearly. The consent issue is problematic… Rape is pushing it, though. It's just not an issue you throw around, it's too horrible.
The other issue I have is the implied notion that life without the Doctor is worse than death. This implied by both RTD and those hating him for Donna's ending. Moffat fixed SO MANY THINGS!
Yes, that's true. Characters having lives outside of the Doctor… ;) Hard to imagine managing to balance that, but it's certainly healthier.
The thing is, if you avoid problematic things altogether... You really can't tell very good stories. That doesn't mean writers shouldn't do stupid, avoidable things. But stories come from conflicts.
Yes, that's quite true. It's like with passionate love and the dependency issue, for instance. Feminism tends to start screaming whenever a woman acts like her partner is the most important thing for her, but a) you've got to look at whether or not it is requited and b) ever since romance began, the greatest love stories have generally been the ones where you could (and often did) gladly give your life for the person you love. That is regardless of gender and equality, it's only PASSIONATE LOVE! And what might not be healthy when you look at the characters with a reality-based, psychological POV makes for great storytelling. If all else perished, and he remained, I should still continue to be; and if all else remained, and he were annihilated, the universe would turn to a mighty stranger.
(I am having serious deja vu, here. Did I already reply? I can't see anything, but this is weird.)
On only the Harriet question? Maybe we discussed her before, I can't recall, but you definitely hadn't answered this before ;)
What they want is everything. Both ways.
True ;)
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You have MET fandom, right? *has seen too many kerfuffels to count*
Yes, that's true. Characters having lives outside of the Doctor… ;) Hard to imagine managing to balance that, but it's certainly healthier.
I think that's my main issue with Rose & Donna... Their 'I'm going to travel with him forever'. Not that I can't fanwank it, but I still don't think it's good. But really, that's a problem I have with RTD, not the characters. :)
That is regardless of gender and equality, it's only PASSIONATE LOVE! And what might not be healthy when you look at the characters with a reality-based, psychological POV makes for great storytelling.
Oooooh yes. Jack/Ianto is so wonderful partly because it's so... intense. They're both wary of committing, and yet Ianto is *incredibly* protective of Jack. (I'm sure I have said before that I always fall for the same 'ship.* Jack/Ianto has lots of parallels to Doctor/River. Except River got a much better deal.)
On only the Harriet question? Maybe we discussed her before, I can't recall, but you definitely hadn't answered this before ;)
Maybe I began replying on the laptop... Ah well, nevermind.
*Basically could you take away the love and still have a good dynamic?
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Haha, I try to stick to my safe corner ;)
I think that's my main issue with Rose & Donna... Their 'I'm going to travel with him forever'. Not that I can't fanwank it, but I still don't think it's good.
Yeah, I understand that. I love it but I don't condone it, pretty much ;)
Oooooh yes. Jack/Ianto is so wonderful partly because it's so... intense. They're both wary of committing, and yet Ianto is *incredibly* protective of Jack.
♥♥♥ I want to watch all the Torchwood because of them, but lol, no time…
(I'm sure I have said before that I always fall for the same 'ship.* Jack/Ianto has lots of parallels to Doctor/River. Except River got a much better deal.)
All the love for them ^_^
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You and me both!
Yeah, I understand that. I love it but I don't condone it, pretty much ;)
Oh that's... most of my fannish love, right there. Well, Moffat Who is odd in that I often do both, but generally I will eat up the pain and difficulties and brokenness with a spoon, whilst never wanting anything like it ever in RL.
♥♥♥ I want to watch all the Torchwood because of them, but lol, no time…
I hear ya. It's not going anywhere, so just save it. One day.
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This so much. I love all the dysfunctional relationships and troubled characters, but I would not want any of that in RL, lol… Not to mention the baddies adoration ;)
I hear ya. It's not going anywhere, so just save it. One day.
Yup ^_^ (The Number One Goal at the moment is one day reaching the end of the Two era… ;))
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Mmmm Spike. <3
The Number One Goal at the moment is one day reaching the end of the Two era… ;)
Good luck.
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Thanks! ;)
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