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The AOQ 'Crush' thread is veeeeeeery interesting. And I'm beginning to wonder if maybe he is a bit spoiled... what I can say is that he'll probably enjoy the later seasons. Just look at this exchange:
AOQ:
If Spike is really
that into Buffy to the point where he's denying his vampire identity
(we've seen hints of that), you know what he could try, as a final
act of total desperation? Have Willow make him a soul. There are lots
of issues there, not the least of which being the loophole in the one
curse our heroes know, but I think it's worth pondering.
vague disclaimer:
Hmmm. Same spell, same curse? I can think of little duller than to
re-tread a story that was left as a spent husk 2 years before.
AOQ:
[shrug] I think it might be interesting. We've never seen the kind of
desperation that could drive a vampire to voluntarily seek a soul. And
there's the whole different-characters thing, Spike's reaction to
being ensouled would liekly be very different than anything we've seen
from Angel or Darla, and who knows what kind of character might emerge
from all that?
I mean - wow!
ETA: I was also going to include this exchange between 3DMAster and AOQ. (3DMaster *seriously* hates Spike!):
3DMaster:
Spike never transformed, he's not capable of transformation. What some
writers do or do not think, or claim or do not claim about the show,
matters nothing.
AOQ:
So far, I like the show I'm watching better than the one you're
watching.
Actually, the 3DMaster guy saw a completely different Spike to who we did. Replying to someone else, I quoted the scene where Spike leaves flowers for Joyce. Here's what Mr 3D replied:
'Of course he didn't [leave a card with the flowers], if he did it would be too easy to spot. He probably
planned on Buffy watching him put the flowers there, then walk off, she checks the flowers, there's not card, and she's going all gushy, at least in Spike's mind.'
*shakes head*
AOQ:
If Spike is really
that into Buffy to the point where he's denying his vampire identity
(we've seen hints of that), you know what he could try, as a final
act of total desperation? Have Willow make him a soul. There are lots
of issues there, not the least of which being the loophole in the one
curse our heroes know, but I think it's worth pondering.
vague disclaimer:
Hmmm. Same spell, same curse? I can think of little duller than to
re-tread a story that was left as a spent husk 2 years before.
AOQ:
[shrug] I think it might be interesting. We've never seen the kind of
desperation that could drive a vampire to voluntarily seek a soul. And
there's the whole different-characters thing, Spike's reaction to
being ensouled would liekly be very different than anything we've seen
from Angel or Darla, and who knows what kind of character might emerge
from all that?
I mean - wow!
ETA: I was also going to include this exchange between 3DMAster and AOQ. (3DMaster *seriously* hates Spike!):
3DMaster:
Spike never transformed, he's not capable of transformation. What some
writers do or do not think, or claim or do not claim about the show,
matters nothing.
AOQ:
So far, I like the show I'm watching better than the one you're
watching.
Actually, the 3DMaster guy saw a completely different Spike to who we did. Replying to someone else, I quoted the scene where Spike leaves flowers for Joyce. Here's what Mr 3D replied:
'Of course he didn't [leave a card with the flowers], if he did it would be too easy to spot. He probably
planned on Buffy watching him put the flowers there, then walk off, she checks the flowers, there's not card, and she's going all gushy, at least in Spike's mind.'
*shakes head*
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I'm not quite sure if I'm reading the posted quote correctly, mainly coz I've never heard anybody say that the writers actually wanted Spike to come across as a victim of Buffy's EVOL in the latter seasons. And, given everything I've read about what went on in fandom and with ME during those years, it's hard to believe that anyone could think that. Is that what s/he is trying to say?
As to JM's skills, subtlety is definitely part of his repertoire, tho, he can, of course, play over-the-top incredibly well too. Which is a good thing coz the character of Spike often required that ;P.
What the whole Spike/JM (apparently never-ending) controversy (war? LOL) says to me is how amazingly complex human perception is and how connected it is to life-experience and expectations. I mean if you've never experienced or seen a certain emotion or don't expect and/or accept it in a certain circumstance, how would you interpret a facial expression conveying that emotion? Just totally fascinating to me.
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I seriously doubt that the writers intended that. If anything, the opposite. They were shocked and confused that a portion of the audience felt that Buffy was behaving badly.
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http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?howtopic=2858141&st=1050
but you could dip into any page and find the same sort of stuff. There are apparently a number of individuals who have dedicated their lives to running down James Marsters' acting ability and physical appearance, the character of Spike, and the writers of the shows if they ever hinted that they didn't sufficiently despise Spike. My advice would be to take it in small doses. It's like castor oil, nasty and probably not really good for you.
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Yes, I find it endlessly fascinating that some folks' hatred is so obsessive that they not only take every opportunity they run across to rundown JM/Spike but they often seem to go out of their way to find those opportunities. I guess I can understand that kind of obsessiveness for something/someone you love and/or brings you pleasure but to do it for something/one you hate and presumably doesn't give you pleasure, well, that's quite an interesting phenomena from a psychological standpoint.