I'm not sure if you followed the same links and read the same comments as I did, but the first ping I had came when I read this comment:
I thought it was great, but was disappointed at how much sexuality there was... It was kind of gross!:(
I just have a really hard time thinking anyone except a middle school pre-pubescent youth writing something like that. And yet I suspect that's not the case. The same person commented on another post with:
I still think that Firefly would have been better without sexuality!
I'm quite frankly baffled. To me, that's like saying "life would be better without sexuality", as if we as humans could and should quash something that comes naturally to us.
I don't see anything inherently good or bad in sex. And I think that's why I've never once in my life thought of anyone else as promiscuous. If someone enjoys having a lot of sex (like Kaylee), then great! More power to them! I would only be worried about excessive sex if it was someone I knew wasn't personally comfortable with it.
You wrote: If all she wants from Simon is sex, why do we root for them to get together? I take issue with your assumption that all she wanted from Simon (or any of the men she slept with) was sex. Saying she was only interested in Simon for sex because they had sex is, to me, like saying that she was only interested in making Simon a cake in OoG because she wanted cake, not because she cared about him.
Well, I think sex is actually inherently good, which is why I see the treating it as merely another preference (like eating) to be bad.
I don't actually agree with the original poster - I did follow the links, and my stance is different. Was just using the comments to springboard my own opinions. Sorry if that confused you.
As for Firefly without sexuality, I don't think that's what I meant when I said that Inara's scenes and plotlines were often gratuitous. I just think they didn't deal with much more than titillation, rather than a serious look at what the concept of a Companion would actually mean. More "Oooh, look, hot girl having lots of consequence-free sex that we get to watch" more than "Hmm, if this profession were legal, what would a person do who lived it?"
I didn't say "All Kaylee wants from Simon is sex," I said "IF etc etc." And I don't think that's all she wants. I merely think that Serenity (the film) did a poor job of showing what she and Simon really mean to each other aside from pure physical attraction. Yes, she has lots of poignant moments which show that there is much attachment, but there's no discussion of why - no "Touched" speech, or "Amends" debate about what it means. Just "I ain't had nothing twixt my nethers" - if that was all we had to go on (and thank goodness it isn't) Kaylee would seem kinda shallow.
Actually, in my own fan-wank view of Kaylee, she begins as someone who doesn't really care much about developing a relationship - as evidenced by her boinking Bester. However, after about a year with Mal, she has matured to the point that she wants more than just a good time, and so when Simon offers that kind of commitment (even though he can't say it, dear boy), she can wait for it. I doubt many people think of her character as changing this way, but it makes me happier.
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I thought it was great, but was disappointed at how much sexuality there was... It was kind of gross!:(
I just have a really hard time thinking anyone except a middle school pre-pubescent youth writing something like that. And yet I suspect that's not the case. The same person commented on another post with:
I still think that Firefly would have been better without sexuality!
I'm quite frankly baffled. To me, that's like saying "life would be better without sexuality", as if we as humans could and should quash something that comes naturally to us.
I don't see anything inherently good or bad in sex. And I think that's why I've never once in my life thought of anyone else as promiscuous. If someone enjoys having a lot of sex (like Kaylee), then great! More power to them! I would only be worried about excessive sex if it was someone I knew wasn't personally comfortable with it.
You wrote: If all she wants from Simon is sex, why do we root for them to get together?
I take issue with your assumption that all she wanted from Simon (or any of the men she slept with) was sex. Saying she was only interested in Simon for sex because they had sex is, to me, like saying that she was only interested in making Simon a cake in OoG because she wanted cake, not because she cared about him.
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(Anonymous) 2006-06-27 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)I don't actually agree with the original poster - I did follow the links, and my stance is different. Was just using the comments to springboard my own opinions. Sorry if that confused you.
As for Firefly without sexuality, I don't think that's what I meant when I said that Inara's scenes and plotlines were often gratuitous. I just think they didn't deal with much more than titillation, rather than a serious look at what the concept of a Companion would actually mean. More "Oooh, look, hot girl having lots of consequence-free sex that we get to watch" more than "Hmm, if this profession were legal, what would a person do who lived it?"
I didn't say "All Kaylee wants from Simon is sex," I said "IF etc etc." And I don't think that's all she wants. I merely think that Serenity (the film) did a poor job of showing what she and Simon really mean to each other aside from pure physical attraction. Yes, she has lots of poignant moments which show that there is much attachment, but there's no discussion of why - no "Touched" speech, or "Amends" debate about what it means. Just "I ain't had nothing twixt my nethers" - if that was all we had to go on (and thank goodness it isn't) Kaylee would seem kinda shallow.
Actually, in my own fan-wank view of Kaylee, she begins as someone who doesn't really care much about developing a relationship - as evidenced by her boinking Bester. However, after about a year with Mal, she has matured to the point that she wants more than just a good time, and so when Simon offers that kind of commitment (even though he can't say it, dear boy), she can wait for it. I doubt many people think of her character as changing this way, but it makes me happier.
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