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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2013-04-13 03:38 pm
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About Thatcher...

From various places on my flist:

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Mark Steel: You can't just shut us up now that Margaret Thatcher's dead
(If someone robs your house, you don’t say: “I disagreed with the burglar’s policy, of tying me to a chair. But I did admire his convictions.”)

And finally, the poets always say it best:

A Satirical Elegy on the Death of a Late Famous General
By Jonathan Swift

His Grace! impossible! what dead!
Of old age too, and in his bed!
And could that mighty warrior fall?
And so inglorious, after all!
Well, since he’s gone, no matter how,
The last loud trump must wake him now:
And, trust me, as the noise grows stronger,
He’d wish to sleep a little longer.
And could he be indeed so old
As by the newspapers we’re told?
Threescore, I think, is pretty high;
’Twas time in conscience he should die
This world he cumbered long enough;
He burnt his candle to the snuff;
And that’s the reason, some folks think,
He left behind so great a stink.
Behold his funeral appears,
Nor widow’s sighs, nor orphan’s tears,
Wont at such times each heart to pierce,
Attend the progress of his hearse.
But what of that, his friends may say,
He had those honours in his day.
True to his profit and his pride,
He made them weep before he died.

Come hither, all ye empty things,
Ye bubbles raised by breath of kings;
Who float upon the tide of state,
Come hither, and behold your fate.
Let pride be taught by this rebuke,
How very mean a thing’s a Duke;
From all his ill-got honours flung,
Turned to that dirt from whence he sprung.

[identity profile] diebirchen.livejournal.com 2013-04-13 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, she didn't back down from the IRA. I lived in Britain in 1975-6, and some chilling things were going on in that arena. Then there's the Falkland's business, but not knowing all the background details, perhaps it could have been handled better with diplomacy. Truly, it's beyond my ken. Other than that, I'm with St. Peter. What about the poor, whose numbers and problems multiplied under her administration?

[identity profile] diebirchen.livejournal.com 2013-04-13 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, well she's gone now, as we all will be, to God's merciful hands and history's constant review of of her actions, both good and ill. I so prefer my anonymity to living life as she did.
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[personal profile] jerusha 2013-04-13 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember reading that poem. Jonathan Swift really knows how to twist the knife; it's impressive.

And that was a great essay. I know it's taboo to speak ill of the dead, but there's no reason you can't speak ill of someone's policies and choices in life, especially when they were so harmful. To not do so invites history repeating itself.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2013-04-13 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Gods, between her and Reagan they made everyone's lives miserable. How dare we be poor? How dare we even BREATHE and need help because of the situations our own governments (our would-be protectors) put us in? We should all do them a favor and give what's left of our pittance before shuffling off this mortal coil.

Neither of them get much love or sympathy from me. I'm still living in the aftermath of their regimes. And my new 'protectors' think they were genuises...*spits*

Poem has it right. Loved the article. But so we think she'd make it that far to St. Peter's Gate?

[identity profile] masakochan.livejournal.com 2013-04-13 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
But so we think she'd make it that far to St. Peter's Gate?

I think she would, but like I say about a few of my relatives- they're going to get to the great Pearl-y Gates, and St. Peter's gonna be like "Yo, Jesus! Get my camcorder! We got another case of 'I was a good person in life and went to church every Sunday'!" And then some other poor angel'll be tasked with dragging in a ton of file cabinets on everything that person's done in life.

[identity profile] eaweek.livejournal.com 2013-04-14 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Great article and very funny! Thanks for sharing.

[identity profile] eaweek.livejournal.com 2013-04-14 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks also to the link to the Glenda Jackson video! Man, she just ROCKS!

[identity profile] eaweek.livejournal.com 2013-04-14 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
In a youth-obsessed culture, it's so nice to see a mature, intelligent woman clearly articulating her stance on something of substance. Too often such women are dismissed as shrill "femi-Nazis," as if there's something fundamentally distasteful and immoral about expressing an opposition to grinding poverty, ever-widening income disparities, and the devastating impact those things can have on entire societies. So my hat is really off to Jackson--the world needs more women like her!

[identity profile] dweomeroflight.livejournal.com 2013-04-14 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
My favourite weigh in on Thatcher was the article by Russell Brand in The Guardian where he essentially said, yes it is sad that a little old lady died today, but this old lady never valued or taught compassion so why on earth does Britain expect compassion from those she leaves behind?

If you don't believe in society, why should society believe in, or care about, you? At the end of the day, for many to mourn would be either hypocrisy or the final heap of burning and shaming coals. Because at the end of the day she ruined peoples lives with her policies. Why do we expect people whose lives have been ruined to mourn the source of their misery?
Edited 2013-04-14 05:30 (UTC)