elisi: River runs deep (Angel - river runs deep by miz_thang88)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2012-04-14 11:22 am
Entry tags:

Vaguely related to the comics.

From a recent interview:

"The hardest [to write] was always Angel. How to make a decent, handsome, stalwart hero interesting -- tough."
Joss

I'm beginning to think that this comment was not meant ironically. Which would explain a lot...

[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2012-04-14 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Goddard was more a fan of the work than a fan of the writer, I think, and that makes all the difference. Helps greatly that he was an agent prior, and had written a lot of spec scripts - like Espenson, he tended to have a realistic view.

Whedon: This is the way it goes -
Goddard: Uh, you forgot that bit in season 2 where Xander lies to Buffy about what Willow is doing on the soul
Whedon: Oh right, not important.
Goddard: Beg to differ...(writes scene) and see it fits the climatic moment about Xander figuring out what Buffy is dealing with - it's the Buffy of the episode.
Whedon: Go with it!

I don't think Whedon wants to be worshipped. That's why he enjoys working with Goddard and Espenson...he likes to be challenged. Goddard proved himself outside of Whedon - as a director of a big blockbuster horror flick several years before...

[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2012-04-14 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
ETC: Several years before Cabin in the Woods, not Buffy.
It was Cloverfield.

[personal profile] kikimay 2012-04-14 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe that it's important love the works not the artist. I mean, you can also love the creator, because, of course, he puts himself in his creations and can be a great person, but the works are all the matters, in the end.

[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2012-04-14 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. Putting creators on pedestals...leads to much pulling out of the hair and stomping. Because they will fall off of them, eventually.

Also, you don't really know the creator except through their work...and they don't know you. You are interacting with their work not them, the relationship is with the piece of art not with the person who created it.
Sure they put themselves into it to an extent, but we tend to see their work through our own experience and perspective, and often catch things the artist never intended. It's what Whedon means when he says a piece of art or work of art is like a child, not a pet, it grows up, leaves home, and talks back to you. It has a life of its own.

[personal profile] kikimay 2012-04-14 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely!
I still think that Joss is my hero, because he created some of my favourite things of all the time (Buffy, Angel, Doctor Horrible ...) but I love his vision, not *really him*. Same thing with SMG. I can't say that I love her, but I love her talent, her ability to portray her characters, especially Buffy Summers.
I tend to be optimistic about my favorite artists' works, I know. In fact, I was full of hope about Season Nine and I'm still hoping that Joss finally finds a way to make the comics better. Well, I can't help it!