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Thoughts on River's fate. (Spoilers for AGMGTW.)
I have recently tried to gather all my thoughts together for some kind of meta before the show starts up again, only my thoughts are all scattered, so instead off one mammoth post I'm going to try to post things subject by subject. Starting with this, which is very short and straightforward.
First of all, I should probably begin by saying that I never had a problem with River's fate. I could see why it bothered other people (and even wrote fic in order to fry to fix the problematic consent issues), but personally I always liked it because of the symbolism. And wondered now and again what I'd think when we found out who (what) she was...
Well now, the thing about Big Reveals That Change Everything, is that - they change things. And River’s fate? River’s much-disputed fate... Ah. It's... changed.
I owe this insight to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
promethia_tenk, who stumbled across it somewhere, so I can't claim any kind of personal cleverness, just delight in the perfection.
What I did do, was run off to Wikipedia and look up information on the Matrix:
'The Matrix is a massive computer system on the planet Gallifrey that acts as the repository of the combined knowledge of the Time Lords.'
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'The Matrix is part of the Amplified Panatropic Computer Network, or APC Net, which contains the biological imprints (or bio-data extracts) of all Time Lords as well as the memories of dead Time Lords, storing them in an extradimensional framework of trillions of electrochemical cells.'
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'In the Doctor Who comic strip published in Doctor Who Magazine, the Matrix is depicted as being inhabited by the minds of dead Time Lords — including Rassilon — who have a sort of quasi-existence within its confines.'
To which I say... Now, isn’t that interesting. It would seem that the Doctor gave his Lady as close to a true Time Lord death/afterlife as he could in the circumstances. A few choice quotes from the Library episodes for anyone who might not know them off by heart like me:
THE DOCTOR: It's a world. Literally a world. The whole core of the planet is the index computer, biggest hard drive ever. And up here, every book ever written.
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DOCTOR: So you weren't protecting a patent, you were protecting her [Charlotte/CAL].
MR LUX: This is only half a life, of course. But it's for ever.
Dear Mr Moffat, you are too clever by half. And also your planning and scheming is downright phenomenal. Plus, this of course confirms my theory that EVERYTHING ties back to the Library...
♥
First of all, I should probably begin by saying that I never had a problem with River's fate. I could see why it bothered other people (and even wrote fic in order to fry to fix the problematic consent issues), but personally I always liked it because of the symbolism. And wondered now and again what I'd think when we found out who (what) she was...
Well now, the thing about Big Reveals That Change Everything, is that - they change things. And River’s fate? River’s much-disputed fate... Ah. It's... changed.
I owe this insight to
promethia_tenk, who stumbled across it somewhere, so I can't claim any kind of personal cleverness, just delight in the perfection.What I did do, was run off to Wikipedia and look up information on the Matrix:
'The Matrix is a massive computer system on the planet Gallifrey that acts as the repository of the combined knowledge of the Time Lords.'
~~~
'The Matrix is part of the Amplified Panatropic Computer Network, or APC Net, which contains the biological imprints (or bio-data extracts) of all Time Lords as well as the memories of dead Time Lords, storing them in an extradimensional framework of trillions of electrochemical cells.'
~~~
'In the Doctor Who comic strip published in Doctor Who Magazine, the Matrix is depicted as being inhabited by the minds of dead Time Lords — including Rassilon — who have a sort of quasi-existence within its confines.'
To which I say... Now, isn’t that interesting. It would seem that the Doctor gave his Lady as close to a true Time Lord death/afterlife as he could in the circumstances. A few choice quotes from the Library episodes for anyone who might not know them off by heart like me:
THE DOCTOR: It's a world. Literally a world. The whole core of the planet is the index computer, biggest hard drive ever. And up here, every book ever written.
~~~
DOCTOR: So you weren't protecting a patent, you were protecting her [Charlotte/CAL].
MR LUX: This is only half a life, of course. But it's for ever.
Dear Mr Moffat, you are too clever by half. And also your planning and scheming is downright phenomenal. Plus, this of course confirms my theory that EVERYTHING ties back to the Library...
♥
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We've been discussing SitL/FotD on Gallifreybase and someone pointed out that the empty throne is a symbol of divinity, and that the way River is consumed by light and her physical body is consumed is very much ascension style thinking where you transcend and transform beyond the physical state to a higher state of being. Considering her actions as spiritually grounded in her profound love for the Doctor and her willingness to save 4000+ lives, combined with the journey she's gone on from what happened to her when she was young to ultimately sitting in that chair, Yeah, a bit happier with her fate.;)
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Isn't it just? And where everyone has been saying 'Um, that's problematic and unnatural', for the Doctor this will have been as normal an afterlife as could be conceived. This is one of the things I love about him being alien - it's so easy to forget, but his outlook is fundamentally different.
Also love the thoughts about her journey (not really thought of it in terms of 'ascending', that's nice), which fit very well. Also always loved how she literally takes his place, which made me suspect (way before I had any idea what she might be) that she was his proper equal.
Also, re being happier with her fate, then I sort of wrote a fix it. Ish. Well it's two fics, but you need to read the Donna one first - not that they're terribly long. (You did say you liked people pointing you towards stuff, right? *g*) Both set post-S5, whilst the Doctor travelled alone for a bit, before TIA:
Donna's Choice.
River's Choice.