elisi: Living in interesting times is not worth it (Doctor/Master mindmeld by theanonsisters)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2011-05-27 07:06 pm
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Doctor/Master (crack) theory.

This is inspired by The Doctor's Wife (no spoilers) and A Christmas Carol (minor spoiler), plus I borrow SHAMELESSLY from The Naming of Things by [livejournal.com profile] ariafic (Summary: How to become the Master. This is the best Master fic EVER.)

The Enmity of Ages...

TEEN KAZRAN: What, now? I kiss her now?
DOCTOR: Kazran, it's this or go to your room and design a new kind of screwdriver. Don't make my mistakes.

'A Christmas Carol'

Once upon a time on Gallifrey there were two little Time Lord boys called Theta and Koschei who were bestest friends. And as they grew older, Koschei realised that he was head-over-heels in love with Theta, but Theta was utterly oblivious, and also liked girls and quite clearly didn't think about Koschei like that...

Now Koschei wanted to the centre of Theta's world in every way, so he did the logical thing: Killed himself and turned into a girl. (A red head, obviously.)

This (not surprisingly) made Theta FREAK OUT, even though he was also excited and attracted and intrigued, but at the critical moment he lost his nerve and ran away to his room and began designing a new kind of screwdriver.

Gallifrey hath no fury like a Time Lady scorned, so Koschei killed herself again (out of spite) and resolved to stay male forever (that'd teach Theta not to appreciate what (s)he'd done for him!), and the friendship never recovered, although the complex feelings stayed with them always.

And the Doctor was left with a particular weakness for strong-willed red heads...

Never the End

[identity profile] bendingwind.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Headcanon forever.

[identity profile] bendingwind.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes it does. Absolutely.

[identity profile] bendingwind.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I ship them so hard.

It's weird, because absolutely everyone else I know who ships Doctor/Master shipped it before Doctor/River. I'm the other way around--I only got into Doctor Who during series 5, and I went back to watch the other series specifically in hopes of lots more River Song (yeah...) and I wonder how that shapes my views on Master/Doctor.

A lot of Master/Doctor and Doctor/River shippers I've spoken to have said they ship Doctor/River in part because, like the Master, she's the only one who really seems to be on equal footing with him. Basically River = feme!Master so they ship it. Then there's only old me, who shipped River/Doctor long before I even knew that the Master existed as a character.

Am I making sense? I've been running errands on very limited sleep all day, I'm not sure I'm making sense. Thoughts?
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-27 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope, nope, you're making sense, and I'm basically in the same position. By which I mean I came to the show with season five and my interest in Doctor/Master is almost entirely based on Doctor/River.

It's a pretty technical/narrative interest, though. It would be a stretch to say I ship it. You've got a character whose basic purpose is to be evil--I just can't take that seriously.

[identity profile] bendingwind.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I suppose my shipping it relates largely to what I do consider canon--which is basically everything I like, canon or fanon. When I think about it, I really don't ship canon!Master with canon!Doctor at all, but I ship my ideas of them and their shared story. I ship them for reasons that are vaguely rooted in canon but ultimately not canon at all. I suffer the same phenomenon to greater degrees in certain fandoms; there are two fandoms of which I am a part where I basically don't care about canon at all and think it's awful, but I love the underlying ideas and the fanfiction it produces.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-28 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I do like some of the fanworks a lot more than the canon. The fic elisi linked up there in particular is magnificent and makes the characters believable as people. And the broad, crack-y, campy, snarky stuff I love.

But the middle ground in between that, including pretty much everything onscreen . . .

There's a character whose purpose is to be evil. Let's just say that's not calculated to appeal to my narrative interests.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-28 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, I'm a bit reminded of the people who get so riled up when Moff "objectifies" characters--literally makes them into objects or treats them too much as symbols rather than fully rounded people (Abigail, for example). And that doesn't bother me--it's meaningful to me, it enriches my understanding of what's going on.

But Rusty morally objectifies characters (as do many writers), and I'm sure there's legit reasons for doing that too. But it boils my blood if I think about it too hard, which is why I mostly ignore this sort of thing when it crops up in fiction.

On either side I doubt it matters too much how much the writer manages to add shading and characterization on top of their framework--the underlying offense is always going to be there.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-28 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Asked the sister, who is far more widely versed in cult sci fi than I but shares most of my prejudices, and she does gives Buffy her general approval, even if she's not gaga over it, including the assessment that 'you at least need to watch it sometime so that you know it.'

So, yeah, that will probably happen at some point.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-31 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't really care. And often with long shows/books, knowing what's ahead is what gets me through them. I like to have some framework for what I'm absorbing.

(And usually the "how" and "why" is more interesting than the "what" anyway *points to icon*)

[identity profile] quean-of-swords.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
ILU FOREVER.

Seriously, tho. Awesome.
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-05-27 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
=D It should not be this satisfying to have a plausible explanation for the ginger obsession, but there it is.
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[personal profile] gillo 2011-05-27 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Koschei the Deathless from Cabell? Or just a random name?

It all makes sense. For a given value of "sense", of course.

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2011-05-28 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I love the way your mind works...

And that would explain Tegan too; works for me!

[identity profile] tei-0.livejournal.com 2011-05-29 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Here from who_daily, because I cannot resist D/M crack theories. (And The Naming of Things is CANON.)

So THAT'S WHAT'S UP WITH THE READHEAD FIXATION. Clearly an obsession of that magnitude would only make sense if it had something to do with the Master!

[identity profile] tei-0.livejournal.com 2011-05-29 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Um. Redhead. Not readhead.

[identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com 2012-05-22 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
*Claps hands*

That's it in a nutshell!! Right there.

*NODS*