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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2011-04-28 12:14 pm
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The Impossible Astronaut. DW S 6.1

This review was near-impossible to write, so I’m just throwing some stuff out there, and you can make of it what you want. The problem is that EVERYTHING ties in with EVERYTHING ELSE and whenever I try to write it down my head dies from meta. No really. I’d need some kind of three dimensional diagram to properly illustrate my thoughts.

Instead you’ll get a brief look into my head - with illustrations!

To begin with:


(For the non-Brits among you: Carry On was a long-running series of low-budget British comedy films. They are an energetic mix of parody, farce, slapstick and double entendres. Perfectly illustrated in this 20 second clip from Carry On Camping)

Actually can I just say that I love Amy and Rory to itty bitty little pieces and that I flail at everything they do? Because I won’t be talking about them much, since they don’t generate that much meta... Although I *will* say that as someone who married age 20, and had her first child at 22, I cannot off the top of my head think of any other show that has had anything similar, ever, and certainly not portrayed it as a good and positive thing. Random fandom people who lay into Amy’s choices: Those were MY choices too, and I have not ever regretted them, not for a second. Are we clear? (ETA: This is not so much about the pregnancy (or whatever it is), as the 'getting married young', because the criticisms irk me.)

Other random observations:

The music playing at the very, very end when Amy shoots the astronaut/little girl is The Life And Death Of Amy Pond - one of my favourite pieces of music ever.

The music playing on the radio in the diner when older!Doctor and River compare diaries is Adele's Rolling In The Deep. This KILLED me.

I adore Canton Everett Delaware the Third, and am desperately hoping that he brings along The Gay Agenda once more.

The Doctor/River flirting was just OFF THE SCALE! If I had the time I'd list every line they spoke...

Vid rec: Who Wants To Live Forever.

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Well then, onto the meta. There’ll be a lot of River now, because she is River, and she winds her way through the Doctor’s life and times and metaphors in ways that are just *ridiculous*...

And, like I’ve said before, [livejournal.com profile] calapine’s What the Doormouse Said informs pretty much all of my thinking here. This bit especially:

(There are contradictions in the narrative; someone has been doing a great deal of rewriting.)

Everything that exists should be as real as everything else.


The first - obviously - pertains to Eleven’s death here. It is a blantant contradiction to what we know of Doctor Who - both on a Doylist and a Watsonian level. And yet - it happened. The Doctor really died, and it was real. Even if it is unmade, doesn’t make it less real, here.

The Doctor died, and there were no comedy vultures, no overwrought despair. Just a man, gathering his friends for one last time, and then meeting his final adventure head-on.

It was A Good Death, and it was perfect and I loved it.

And...



You see? Everything is tied up in big round circles. What’s happening has happened before, will happen again. Remember the Comic Relief Special? The whole ‘verse is like that. Everything reflected back, mirrored, layers upon layers upon layers, every puzzle piece adding another facet, another interpretation...

Which brings me to River’s speech. It’s heartbreaking, and also somewhat troublesome, but - as everyone has pointed out - she’s had a really, really bad day. She’s gone from being the person the Doctor trusts the most in the whole universe (himself apart... oh Jim the Fish!), to having all her motives questioned. Plus she’s in prison (voluntarily, but still) - is it any wonder she rues days to come and tries to cling on to every scrap of the man she loves? (There's even a vid that's that speech to a T: Gravity. Made back in August last year...)

Now several things ameliorate this for me - one, when she gets out of prison (for good), she doesn’t sit around wringing her hands. She gets her professorship and finds a little team of her own (Anita, the Daves) and goes off on her own adventures. No pointless pining - River is a woman of action.

Two, she describes the times when she first met the Doctor, how wonderful it was - but of course he was then at the point she is now. Loving someone dearly who barely knew him... (And really, do you think she fell into his arms? Ten certainly didn't fall into her arms.)

Third, it puts a different slant on her ending. Like so:



Her final end is not that tear-stained goodbye to a man who doesn’t know her yet. It’s a loving confirmation from the man who trusts her completely: Yes, he was always there to catch her.

Plus, her role as story teller in The Library again ties in with 'What The Dormouse Said':

Sometimes River wonders if the Doctor is a figment of her imagination.

[...]

She invented him; she can’t tell him that, what if he doesn’t believe her? What if he unmakes her? Why make him so unhappy? Why make his world burn?


What is real, what is not? A story only dies if it’s forgotten or lost, and that is her greatest fear... And that is what the Silence represents, the terror underpinning the whole narrative. You look away, you forget. People, stories, erased from the world.

Anyway, I don't think it's River who kills him. Well it might be, but if so it's a future!River, and the Doctor is certainly not the man she goes to prison for killing. Still, I'll leave you with this, because the visual parallels in this show are so gorgeous I get all speechless:



("You said you were in the library!"
"So was the swimming pool!")


Stories, water (River), a space 'man' who's not what you expect (space travel, moving forward, going somewhere different, somewhere brand new)...

There are too many layers, too many unknown unknowns for me to go further.

There are known unknowns too of course - what is older!Doctor's plan, who is River, what's up with the Silence etc etc. But they're easy, so far as they go, because we know that they'll be answered. It's the unknown unknowns that will change everything and turn it upside down... Go read the fic and you'll see what I mean:

(There are so many questions she’d like to ask, but she’s afraid the answers will change.)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
("You said you were in the library!"
"So was the swimming pool!")


...Woah.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
COOL. I'm looking forward to more (when the next episode airs)!

And check me out, I'm reading meta as the series is airing!
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[personal profile] owlboy 2011-04-28 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ofcourse getting married/having kids in yr 20s is a valid choice...but the issue I had with Amy being pregnant at 22 was that it just doesn't seem like Amy, you know? I mean we've just spent a whole year trying to make her realize marrying Rory is what she really wants! Would she really have kids so soon?

>>No pointless pining - River is a woman of action.

That helps...thanks for pointing that out. I had issues with that speech, but I gotta say, River's expressions [especially when she says 'My Doctor'] just break me.

on visual parallels:

http://disparue.org/gallery/6/doctorwho/5/505/images/doctorwho505_2588.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/i/dw6x010695.jpg/

water water waterklglfh cj djdff

[identity profile] yoshimi.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you notice that River was having the same stomach pains that Amy was complaining of?

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh! Some very interesting points. i hadn't thought of all the water parallels, but that doesn't seem coincidental.

I twigged to "older doctor" fairly early on, but it was still kinda heart breaking.

I'm just anxious to see how they tie things up. This season is looking very interesting already!

[identity profile] ladyelleth.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
!!!

[identity profile] ladyelleth.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
IT REALLY IS!

(And I'm having the exact same problem with writing an episode synopsis/meta - as soon as I'm tackling one aspect, ALL THE CONNECTIONS come up, and it's impossible to write anything!)

[identity profile] ladyelleth.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be useful!

[identity profile] me-llamo-nic.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with nearly everything here. Good points all around and I like the visual aid (especially the first one).

The one hang-up for me is whether or not it's River who kills The Doctor. The Impossible Astronaut definitely has me wavering on that one though. The thing is, if it's not The Doctor that she killed, then who is this other great person in her life? Although, with the way the death happened (assuming it sticks), it seems impossible that that could be the murder for which she would be (had been) arrested and imprisoned.

I do think that IF the person she's supposed to have killed is The Doctor, then it was undoubtedly part of some plan that they'd cooked up together.

My head's spinning again now that I'm thinking about this. It's too early for this much thinking.

[identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm beginning to wonder if Amy's baby might not be River...
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[personal profile] owlboy 2011-04-28 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You could deduce that River kills the Doctor, but that would make sense. Moffat uses special moon logic our tiny Earth minds are not privy to.

The way the man writes... the "very good man" might not be "good" at all. I mean in Press Gang he turns a blatant asshole into a "hero". I wouldn't be surprised if he does that here...

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2011-04-28 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally, totally agree with you on Amy and Rory. I never thought that I would ship something on this show so hard—until last series, DW was my “I don’t ship anything” series. And now there’s Amy and Rory AND Eleven and River, and I really don’t know what to do with myself. There is so much love. I especially loved how very domestic Amy and Rory were at the beginning, because I have a domesticity kink with my

And I know exactly what you mean about their portrayal being unique. I come from a community where it’s not at all shocking to get married at about 20 and most people tend to get married in their early to mid 20s. I think that thinking of that as too young is a regional/class thing, really, because people get married younger here in the South and also the poorer you are, the more likely you are to get married young. When you know that you’re probably never going to be “financially ready” to “start a family,” there’s really nothing stopping you. When you know you aren’t going to college, what’s the point of waiting? When you’re going to live in your small town forever, holding off can seem kind of pointless. Not saying that it’s always the best decision, because I’ve certainly seen some stupid marriages. But I’ve seen just as many (if not more) really wonderful ones.

ANYWAY. That was so not the point. But I have a lot of ~feelings~ on this issue, clearly. Back to the actual post.

How happy am I to see Mark Sheppard playing a good guy? SO VERY HAPPY. I adore that man, and obviously he’s great at the bad guys, but it’s so fun seeing him play good for once!

The Doctor/River flirting was just OFF THE SCALE! If I had the time I'd list every line they spoke...

It made me so happy! This is the most delightful ship! I really never, ever thought I’d ship the Doctor with someone, and I didn’t like River when she first appeared, but I completely admit I was wrong, because I LOVE them!

Now several things ameliorate this for me - one, when she gets out of prison (for good), she doesn’t sit around wringing her hands. She gets her professorship and finds a little team of her own (Anita, the Daves) and goes off on her own adventures. No pointless pining - River is a woman of action.

I agree, and this is a point that I think has been missed. I’m one of those people who always pays more attention to what characters do than what they say because people lie or people say what they think is the truth but the truth turns out to be more complicated.

OH I LOVE THIS SHOW. SO MUCH DELIGHT EVERYWHERE.
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[personal profile] owlboy 2011-04-28 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, remember also this is the guy who made us all think some horrible enemy was coming out of the Pandorica, then shoved the Doctor in it. I've given up even guessing where any clues might lead XD
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2011-04-28 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ebay?

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