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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2010-11-23 10:28 am
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Just a thought...

Wasn't going to comment on the news of the Buffy movie (although it can't be worse than the comics, and yay for a female writer who's a big fan), but I just started thinking...

What if Buffy turned into the female version of Bond? That is - an ongoing franchise, with different people tackling it over the years, and feminism at its heart?

I could go for that.

ETA: Not saying this is very likely, but the idea appeals.
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[identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, same here. Either that happens at some point or the franchise ended with "Not Fade Away".

Thing is that the feminism bit is very important to me and I'm not sure if that's the concept that'll survive or if it might be "hot chick kills vampires", which in itself doesn't do anything for me.

We'll see, could go either way.

[identity profile] steff3.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yes I would like for it to becom like Doctor who or a kind of myth that is central to the idea of feminism. But the actual situation and film being proposed smells like a cheap ripoff. I mean the film has not been written yet and it is meant to be released in 11 months time which is not the timeline for a carefully scripted and well done film that I would expect from the buffy franchise- add in no involvement from joss and maximum involvement of studio chiefs and the writer they have carted out for publicity has plenty of enthusiasm but not a lot of writing credits=not a lot of reason for hope here. I reserve the right for an open mind and will eat my hat if It is..likeable.But I won't hold my breath.
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[identity profile] fangfaceandrea.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
:) I could go for that too. At the moment my loyalty doesn't exactly lie with Joss, so if it's writteng well enough and doesn't make me cringe I'd be OK.
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[identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Everyone is upset about the Buffy movie with no Joss, no SMG or any of the other characters we love and associate with BVtS. BUT..... I think you have the right idea if we think of the movie as separate from "our" BVtS and think of it as something totally different, like a paranormal female Bond then it could work.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that idea. And I think it would tickle SMG to death, as she's on record as wanting a woman to play Bond.
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[personal profile] rahirah 2010-11-23 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
That's probably what will happen, in some form or other. Any time an artist doesn't own a property outright, whatever Soulless Corporation they engage with to get it to the public is gonna turn it into a franchise sooner or later.

[identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I'd like it more than the continuation of OUR Buffyverse, anyway.

But I am mostly "meh". People who make movies need to start using new ideas.

[identity profile] adoxerella.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the idea in principle, but like a lot of others, I don't really think that is what is happening here. I kind of think this is more of the 'OMG vamps are hawt now let's use that to make money!!eleventy!!' The telling factor is probably going to be whether or not Spike and Angel appear as sparkling pretty boys or remain conspicuously absent.

I nearly went off on this whole meta thing about actors, physicality and Spike and Angel, but I need more coffee before it will come out in English.

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I"d have more confidence if it wasn't already clear that WB is going for a cheap solution. I mean, only optioning the Kuzui's rights? If it were a serious reboot of the franchise, FOX and Mutant Enemy's rights would be involved.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to slam the writer without knowing if she can write, what exactly her idea is and how much the studio cares, but the cynic in me wants to say "She's being interviewed about it - she's hardly going to say that she hated the original, is she?" Maybe that's very unfair. But everything about it, from hiring an inexperienced writer willing to work herself up to the stressed schedule, screams "quick and cheap Twilight ripoff" to me; no matter how much they say they're doing it for the Buffy fanbase, one quick look at the Serenity and Dollhouse viewer figures should put things in a different light...

But good luck to her. She's going to need it.

[identity profile] copykween.livejournal.com 2010-11-23 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. I am certainly willing to give it a chance. I mean, I'm sure there were fans of the original movie who were like OMG they're making a series? NOOO! It'll be awful and all new actors and blah blah blah. And we see how THAT turned out. :)

[identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com 2010-11-24 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be down with Buffy-Bond. So long as it wasn't feminism!fail.

[identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com 2010-11-24 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
It's the only way of approaching it, I think. To make Buffy into an icon, proper, like Bond, or the Doctor. The eternally female and kick-ass. ;)

This was my way of thinking of it when I heard the news honestly. I won't be holding my breath, or rushing out to see it, but the idea that they're doing the movie at all keeps the idea of Buffy the TV show present in pop culture. And to me, I feel like that could only be a good thing, It reinforces that Buffy has become an icon for more that just the cult fans who remember her, but to the wider public. That just makes me smile.
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[identity profile] speakr2customrs.livejournal.com 2010-11-24 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
There was a female version of Bond. First a comic strip and then a series of books, as much better than Ian Fleming's Bond books as Belgian chocolate is better than the sludge you find in coffee filters that haven't been changed in eighteen years, starring the ultimate kick-ass heroine. Modesty Blaise.

And then the first book was filmed by people who didn't understand it, the film was unutterably dreadful, and it pretty much killed the potential franchise dead.

(Anonymous) 2010-11-24 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that this is going to be a Star Trek thing and Joss is going to be so sorry he didn't stay at the helm of this thing all along. He and Eliza should really have made a Faith/Council thing instead of Dollhouse and it would have headed this movie thing off or made them put him in charge of it. Sigh...or it hopefully would have. Remember that Star Trek had some pretty awful moments and then got rebooted into wonderful stuff. Let's hope that this awful moment will be followed by wonderful stuff for BTVS. We need a Giles series before it's too late! (No insult to Dollhouse)