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Buffy s8 #36. (The one where I couldn't keep a straight face.)
You know, Doctor Who has the perfect quote for everything. Although I'm not sure I'm going to do much poking... More pointing and laughing.
Right. Well. So I had mentally prepared myself for the worst, and then the story was... *flails* No seriously, just look at this:
"You gave me superpowers and tantric sex in space and ~PERFECTION~ and then you nobly gave it all up for me (*tear*) - let's move in together in my lovely castle and live happily ever after!"
I don't even know where to begin. "Bestest day of her life"??? REALLY? I mean, it's somewhere beyond ridiculous and way, way out there in the wild yonder where the maps say 'Here be dragons'. Oh and this made me laugh:
And then the whole 'You can't blame them for being a little pissed off' and Angel's noble 'I don't'...
Is that it? 'Oh, you naughty, naughty Angel, killing people and destroying the world! Bad boy, go stand in the corner. And you'll get no dessert!'
Actually Angel's characterisation was the only thing that got me actually cross what with 'I don't trust him' re. Spike, which was just so blatantly *wrong* on all levels that I wanted to kick something. But clearly Angel's been turned into a 12 year old permanently, so whatever. It's not like any other part of his personality makes sense anymore. Ditto Buffy. I'd like to think that this is all the glow, and that the rampant OOCness indicates the fact that they're not themselves, but considering the rest of s8 (remember Dracula and Xander being BFFs? That was played completely straight!) I'm not jumping to any conclusions.
And then Spike. Oh Spike. Spike who obviously went away somewhere, for some reason, and returned with a steampunk ship and a bug crew who call him 'Your Majesty' (this never got old!). And then proceeded to be smart and resourceful and dig out all the facts (unlike Angel who just wandered around with some kind of higher power talking at him and following blindly), so he'd know what to do to stop it all. And I'm sorry, but competence is my biggest kink of all, so I've got no complaints. Plus, this Spike strikes me as very close to Brian Lynch's Spike, which is not a bad thing. Oh and did I mention? Bugs that call him 'Your Majesty'!!!! *dies laughing again* Spike is ALWAYS best when he has friends/minions. (Well he's best when he's a Fool For Love, but Joss will never ever go there, so I'm just pleased to have competent!Spike around - esp when contrasted with brainwashed!moron!Angel and clueless!comic!Buffy.)
Also, this whole thing about universes/realities being sentient is just fabulous crack. I'm really looking forward to seeing Twilight throwing a tantrum!
Oh, and then they have to go find THE SEED OF WONDER! Which is all RED and GLOWY and guarded by The Master who has been dead dead since the start of S2. What next? Daleks? Sorry, wrong show. Um... Illyria? Oh wait, AtS never happened. Oh I know - Glory! And maybe also the Mayor. BigSnake!Mayor, obviously, since THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE!
And in conclusion another gif...
(Here it is on youtube with music, in case you're not familiar.)
Oh and you should also read this post by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
rahirah (there's food metaphors!) and shipperx's Vid Post Remedy for Season 8. ETA: Also THIS POST by knifeedgefic about The Trouble with Comic Book Continuations.
ETA: RyallTime has posted a preview of Lynch and Urru's Spike comic. It is so gorgeous (in every way) that it HURTS! *grabby hands* (That last page? THAT is what comics can do!)
Right. Well. So I had mentally prepared myself for the worst, and then the story was... *flails* No seriously, just look at this:
"You gave me superpowers and tantric sex in space and ~PERFECTION~ and then you nobly gave it all up for me (*tear*) - let's move in together in my lovely castle and live happily ever after!"
I don't even know where to begin. "Bestest day of her life"??? REALLY? I mean, it's somewhere beyond ridiculous and way, way out there in the wild yonder where the maps say 'Here be dragons'. Oh and this made me laugh:
And then the whole 'You can't blame them for being a little pissed off' and Angel's noble 'I don't'...
Is that it? 'Oh, you naughty, naughty Angel, killing people and destroying the world! Bad boy, go stand in the corner. And you'll get no dessert!'
Actually Angel's characterisation was the only thing that got me actually cross what with 'I don't trust him' re. Spike, which was just so blatantly *wrong* on all levels that I wanted to kick something. But clearly Angel's been turned into a 12 year old permanently, so whatever. It's not like any other part of his personality makes sense anymore. Ditto Buffy. I'd like to think that this is all the glow, and that the rampant OOCness indicates the fact that they're not themselves, but considering the rest of s8 (remember Dracula and Xander being BFFs? That was played completely straight!) I'm not jumping to any conclusions.
And then Spike. Oh Spike. Spike who obviously went away somewhere, for some reason, and returned with a steampunk ship and a bug crew who call him 'Your Majesty' (this never got old!). And then proceeded to be smart and resourceful and dig out all the facts (unlike Angel who just wandered around with some kind of higher power talking at him and following blindly), so he'd know what to do to stop it all. And I'm sorry, but competence is my biggest kink of all, so I've got no complaints. Plus, this Spike strikes me as very close to Brian Lynch's Spike, which is not a bad thing. Oh and did I mention? Bugs that call him 'Your Majesty'!!!! *dies laughing again* Spike is ALWAYS best when he has friends/minions. (Well he's best when he's a Fool For Love, but Joss will never ever go there, so I'm just pleased to have competent!Spike around - esp when contrasted with brainwashed!moron!Angel and clueless!comic!Buffy.)
Also, this whole thing about universes/realities being sentient is just fabulous crack. I'm really looking forward to seeing Twilight throwing a tantrum!
Oh, and then they have to go find THE SEED OF WONDER! Which is all RED and GLOWY and guarded by The Master who has been dead dead since the start of S2. What next? Daleks? Sorry, wrong show. Um... Illyria? Oh wait, AtS never happened. Oh I know - Glory! And maybe also the Mayor. BigSnake!Mayor, obviously, since THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE!
And in conclusion another gif...
(Here it is on youtube with music, in case you're not familiar.)
Oh and you should also read this post by
rahirah (there's food metaphors!) and shipperx's Vid Post Remedy for Season 8. ETA: Also THIS POST by knifeedgefic about The Trouble with Comic Book Continuations.ETA: RyallTime has posted a preview of Lynch and Urru's Spike comic. It is so gorgeous (in every way) that it HURTS! *grabby hands* (That last page? THAT is what comics can do!)
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Spike is the guy who sees the truth behind the facade. Angel on AtS is ANYTHING but noble on a scale of 10. Lynch apparently sees Angel this way. Lynch is, imo, so totally wrong. Angel in NFA is not noble, but a dark anti-hero who murders people to save the world. Road to hell and good intentions, mate.
And Spike sees this. He sees Angel's darkness because Spike has that darkness inside himself. Look at Destiny. "You made me a monster!" Spike doesn't delude himself that Angel is noble to the scale of 10, but rather that Angel hypocritically acts and believes he's more noble than Spike. And Spike resents him for it and denies the truth of it.
That's why they're so brilliant together. Spike SEES Angel for what he really is. They're brothers in arms who know each other so well because they're so alike. And Spike understands that mask Angel wears because Spike constructs his own mask, that of the badass devil-may-care warrior to protect the overly sensitive inner poet's heart. Angel is somewhat of a bastard (with an adorable dorkishness) who wears the mask of noble champion.
Angel is not the most evolved character (I agree with Whedon on this). And Spike's too damned insightful to think it. Spike resents Angel because Angel thinks he's more noble than Spike, not because Spike thinks that. Which is why I think the evolution chart is bad writing--Lynch is writing Spike from Angel's POV when he should be writing him from Spike's POV.
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Spike resents Angel because Angel thinks he's more noble than Spike, not because Spike thinks that. Which is why I think the evolution chart is bad writing--Lynch is writing Spike from Angel's POV when he should be writing him from Spike's POV.
I have to disagree with this. First of all 'So noble it's coma inducing' is hardly a ringing endorsement. I can totally hear Spike say it, and Angel would know instantly that he was taking the piss and tell him to shut up. Secondly Angel has a *need* to be noble that Spike doesn't. To quote Anna:
[Angel] only sees the soul, the soul that is all that keeps him on the side of the good. It's a terrible paradox. If he accepts the guilt of his past, he makes a mockery of guilt, of repentance, because he feels it only because he is crippled with a soul. If he denies it, he denies the truth.
So he won't look within. He'll look without. He'll focus on destiny, on redemption, on the eternal balance between good and evil.
So he fights to be the best, to be the noblest, just like he was once the worst. Spike doesn't need that at all - Spike fights the good fight, because it's the right things to do ('It's not about me at all.'), but - because he's very perceptive - he understands Angel. And I don't think he resents him. Well he did, but (and this is why I love it) over the course of AtS S5 they both came to accept each other. So Spike will happily let Angel be #1 Noble Souled Vampire, because he knows the pain and insecurities that underpin that need, and also how shaky that mask really is. Oh, and I do think that Angel is noble, btw. He's my Big Damn Hero and I love him. ♥