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Oh *show*!
I've miiiissed you, and your unmistakable mix of brilliance and complete wackiness!
Thoughts anyone? I mean the ending... Eeeeee! (I had been guessing that. Well one part of it. The 'zomg!' part - not the 'wft?LOL!' part. *dances*)
ETA: I'm reminded of this crossover with Invader Zim. SPOILERS for 'End of Time' Part 1!
I'll do a proper 'Christmas' post later, about family & stuff btw. 'Cause my family is lovely. I just needed to get this off my chest!
Thoughts anyone? I mean the ending... Eeeeee! (I had been guessing that. Well one part of it. The 'zomg!' part - not the 'wft?LOL!' part. *dances*)
ETA: I'm reminded of this crossover with Invader Zim. SPOILERS for 'End of Time' Part 1!
I'll do a proper 'Christmas' post later, about family & stuff btw. 'Cause my family is lovely. I just needed to get this off my chest!
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I've had 'Life on Mars' sat on my shelf for *months* now... (I've seen snippets, and Anna was so kind as to lend me the box sets, I've just not got round to it yet.) So... one day. If they're ever repeated.
In all seriousness, I think fans spend so much time studying and analysing tv shows that they learn through osmosis what works and what doesn't. Fans are totally the best writers :)
*nods*
Re. Joss and RTD... You definitely have a point about RTD's plot holes and so forth, and Joss' work being more coherent overall. (Overlooking the giant holes in the world building for Firefly, natch.) And there's the fact that DW isn't RTD's own, he's just carrying a torch, which he is now handing over. *ponders* I think I was probably thinking of CoE specifically, which is (IMHO) better than anything Joss has done - but Joss' overall output is much more even than RTD's. (I hope that makes sense, I'm half asleep.) Oh, and RTD made me cry more than Joss has. More than anything else, ever, actually.
At the end of the day, I used to think DW was just Buffy!lite.
Yeah, I started out that way too. And there are still episodes that make me wince (DW being a 'kids' show is not always a good thing), but when it's good, it's fantastic. :)
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Yeah, LoM is brilliant. I've watched a LOT of crime shows, and its definitely up there among the very very best. But you should try and get your hands on at least The Second Coming. It is classic RTD. And talk about telling the story he wants to tell... i'm genuinely amazed he managed to get it on the air.
I'm not as big a Firefly fan as some people, so I tend to forget about it sometimes! But yeah, Joss is definitely more even than RTD. Re. CoE, now that I think about it, it probably was better than most of Joss' stuff. BUT, there were still some eps of Buffy that beat it - Passion, Innocence, Becoming I + II, The Gift... nothing will ever be better than them in my opinion. (Or maybe that's just my crazy fangirl refusal to admit otherwise) ;)
Oh, and RTD made me cry more than Joss has. More than anything else, ever, actually.
Really?! See, for me it was The Gift. And Buffy killing Angel. I was a wreck, for days. But then again, it took me far longer to get over the final 20 minutes of Last of the Time Lords. Seriously, I was walking around in a daze unable to function for an embarrassingly long time. It truly killed me. Its probably my favourite 20 minutes of television ever, from when Martha is captured by the Master onwards ♥ (The people who whinge about LotTL drive me nuts).
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Duly noted.
Re. CoE, now that I think about it, it probably was better than most of Joss' stuff. BUT, there were still some eps of Buffy that beat it - Passion, Innocence, Becoming I + II, The Gift... nothing will ever be better than them in my opinion.
Hmmm. Well, becoming made me *stop* watching BtVS for a whole year, so it definitely had an impact (basically I decided I could live without that level of angst), but then I was also in floods of tears when 'Doomsday' aired, and I'm not even a Doctor/Rose shipper... When it comes to CoE though, three things: 1) RTD essentially destroyed his own show [& characters] to tell his story, rather than the other way around (I hope that makes sense), 2) He did things, and went places, I've not seen before and 3) Day 4 killed me unlike anything else ever, as I already said. It felt like bereavement, rather than TV. It's been half a year and I still get properly choked up. (I don't want EoT to end with a re-set, except it just occurred to me that this would bring Ianto back...)
But then again, it took me far longer to get over the final 20 minutes of Last of the Time Lords. Seriously, I was walking around in a daze unable to function for an embarrassingly long time. It truly killed me. Its probably my favourite 20 minutes of television ever, from when Martha is captured by the Master onwards ♥ (The people who whinge about LotTL drive me nuts).
Oh SoD/LotTL were the episodes that turned me obsessive. I liked the show perfectly well until then, but it was as if they'd flicked a switch and suddenly I saw in 3-D or something. And then came the 10,000 word meta... *happy sigh*
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Utopia/SoD/LotTL was the first time I elevated RTD to the same level as Joss in my head :)
Thinking about it now, one of the differences between Joss and RTD is that Russell seems to literally have no fear as a writer. Joss is a pretty fearless writer too, but like you said, Russell has no qualms about destroying his own show for the sake of the story. That's something i've never seen before and I think its admirable. Dangerous and scary and completely insane, but brave as hell. One day it will undoubtedly backfire on him in a massive way, but until then, its pretty mesmerizing to watch his work ♥
And i'm so sorry about posting that youtube link! I was totally overcome by squee and the minute I posted it I thought crap, what if she's trying to stay unspoiled and i'm just torturing her! Its not really spoilery, just a really overtly slashy scene, but by all means wait till you can see it in context because its just stunning :D
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Well I wasn't fannish. (Didn't get there until FFL, although it was Spike getting his soul that tipped me into obsession proper.) And these day I of course *love* the angst. :)
I think it just comes down to what or who you're more heavily invested in.
*nods* Everyone's different. Although I've discovered that there's a difference - with Becoming f.ex. (or Doomsday or Donna's mindwipe or Fred's death) I'm sad for the characters. With Ianto it was *personal*. I lost him. And it sounds *ridiculous* because I know perfectly well that he isn't real, but my emotions refuse to listen.
Utopia/SoD/LotTL was the first time I elevated RTD to the same level as Joss in my head :)
Same here! (Quite literally.)
Thinking about it now, one of the differences between Joss and RTD is that Russell seems to literally have no fear as a writer. Joss is a pretty fearless writer too, but like you said, Russell has no qualms about destroying his own show for the sake of the story. That's something i've never seen before and I think its admirable. Dangerous and scary and completely insane, but brave as hell.
Yes, exactly! Also he's not afraid to alienate the fans. (Post Ianto's death, his message was 'If you can't cope with drama, go read poetry. Poetry is lovely.' I kinda love him for that, even though I know a lot of people were upset.)
And i'm so sorry about posting that youtube link!
Oh no worries. I've seen the squee on my flist. Also I just listened to 'Who on Who?' where they played a clip, which I'm *guessing* is the same one, since it was stupidly shippy, so now I've heard it. *g*
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(New Doctor/Master scene from EoT pt2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28ba5Q0NrQ8
Plus, there's a couple more lines which cap off the conversation in this post here: http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwho/5459428.html
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I'M DYING HERE.
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I think I might try to stay unspoiled, since it's only a couple of days. But it's good to know that it'll kill me! *looks forward*