(but not a patch on TLWH {g}) Apples and melons! :) Asylum is a *great* apple, TLWH is a melon that (admitttedly) looks good, but I think parts of it are flawed.
it would be a little hypocritical for him to have gone into such slavering detail of what Warren had planned for Willow. Oh no, that wasn't my point at all. What I meant is that Willow isn't scared (except for one tiny moment). And if she's not bothered about being lobotomised, why should I be?
But embracing it, essentially whitewashing it by implying it was mostly directed against other equally powerful demons, no.) Oh no. Heck Spike makes a point of telling his new friends exactly what he was before the soul (think 'Do you want to know what I did to girls Dawn's age', but with sincerity rather than baiting.) The soul is definitely an intergral part of the whole thing... going back to my 'Chosen' example, there the thing hung on the soul - *anyone* with superhuman powers could have worn it, as long as they had a soul. Like say Cordy. Now imagine Cordy in Asylum... not quite the same. (It's very early, so I hope that makes sense.)
This is the problem I have with Lynch’s treatment of the Spike/Angel dynamic. I'm not sure we've seen the dynamic play out yet. Here we just see Spike, and his *idea* of Angel. If Angel had been there, he might have surprised Spike, you never know.
don’t Spike is anything like as obsessed with not being Angel as S3/4 Faith was with not being Buffy. Oh of course there's vast, vast differences - esp. the fact that Spike *is* morally superior to Angel. But nevertheless there is a clear big brother/little brother dynamic there.
I also find the idea of Spike believing he was the one always thinking discretion the better part of valour just plain weird. That... wasn't really my point. What I meant was that Angel has a need to be the one saving the day and calling the shots. Spike will run off on a whim, Spike tries to make personal connections, but Spike has no problem letting someone else be the hero (as long as it's not Angel). Look at... oh 'Normal Again' when Spike gives Buffy the ultimatum - 'be with me, or be with them. Just be happy.' The decision is up to Buffy. Whereas in 'The Prom' Angel *makes* decisions for her: 'You *will* be happier without me. The end.' Or to look at 'Damage' Angel arrives with a large back-up team so that he *will* catch Dana.
Angel and Spike, however, really are fighting over Buffy in that sweet way boys do. Of course... although I think there's more to it. Fighting over Angel's affections is one-upmanship. 'Angel might like you, but Angelus wants me!' Spike and Angel use Buffy's love/desire the same way... (Buffy might love you, but it's me she slept with!) They fight over Buffy just as they fight over Dru and the Cup... she becomes a symbol, pretty much. The fight would have been pretty identical if she'd never been mentioned - it's not about her, it's about *them*.
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Apples and melons! :) Asylum is a *great* apple, TLWH is a melon that (admitttedly) looks good, but I think parts of it are flawed.
it would be a little hypocritical for him to have gone into such slavering detail of what Warren had planned for Willow.
Oh no, that wasn't my point at all. What I meant is that Willow isn't scared (except for one tiny moment). And if she's not bothered about being lobotomised, why should I be?
But embracing it, essentially whitewashing it by implying it was mostly directed against other equally powerful demons, no.)
Oh no. Heck Spike makes a point of telling his new friends exactly what he was before the soul (think 'Do you want to know what I did to girls Dawn's age', but with sincerity rather than baiting.) The soul is definitely an intergral part of the whole thing... going back to my 'Chosen' example, there the thing hung on the soul - *anyone* with superhuman powers could have worn it, as long as they had a soul. Like say Cordy. Now imagine Cordy in Asylum... not quite the same. (It's very early, so I hope that makes sense.)
This is the problem I have with Lynch’s treatment of the Spike/Angel dynamic.
I'm not sure we've seen the dynamic play out yet. Here we just see Spike, and his *idea* of Angel. If Angel had been there, he might have surprised Spike, you never know.
don’t Spike is anything like as obsessed with not being Angel as S3/4 Faith was with not being Buffy.
Oh of course there's vast, vast differences - esp. the fact that Spike *is* morally superior to Angel. But nevertheless there is a clear big brother/little brother dynamic there.
I also find the idea of Spike believing he was the one always thinking discretion the better part of valour just plain weird.
That... wasn't really my point. What I meant was that Angel has a need to be the one saving the day and calling the shots. Spike will run off on a whim, Spike tries to make personal connections, but Spike has no problem letting someone else be the hero (as long as it's not Angel). Look at... oh 'Normal Again' when Spike gives Buffy the ultimatum - 'be with me, or be with them. Just be happy.' The decision is up to Buffy. Whereas in 'The Prom' Angel *makes* decisions for her: 'You *will* be happier without me. The end.' Or to look at 'Damage' Angel arrives with a large back-up team so that he *will* catch Dana.
Angel and Spike, however, really are fighting over Buffy in that sweet way boys do.
Of course... although I think there's more to it. Fighting over Angel's affections is one-upmanship. 'Angel might like you, but Angelus wants me!' Spike and Angel use Buffy's love/desire the same way... (Buffy might love you, but it's me she slept with!) They fight over Buffy just as they fight over Dru and the Cup... she becomes a symbol, pretty much. The fight would have been pretty identical if she'd never been mentioned - it's not about her, it's about *them*.