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The Girl in Question.
First of all, for clever and deep thoughts about this ep (as well as a lot of giggles), read these two posts by ![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
yhlee . Really, really excellent!
That lets me focus on the relationships. :)
The most obvious problem with this episode is that it stands out like a sore thumb amongst the other late-S5 eps. There’s a gradual build-up of darkness throughout S5 and then third last from the end we get something that is just silly and ridiculous and farcical. Pure comedy. And not just that, but pure *romantic* comedy. About Spike and Angel. Sure it’s way, way, way over the top - so over the top that sometimes it’s floating in free air and I wonder if the writers were on crack - but I can’t help loving it because it’s the most wonderfulslashy love story.
Because it is not about Buffy - oh no. Not at all. As a matter of fact the episode works far better if we go with Joss’ ret-con and the two of them really are just chasing a mirage. And I’m not sure that it wasn’t actually Joss’ thought from the start, he just never told anyone. Here aremolly_may (full post here):
The episode ends with Angel and Spike speaking of moving on while resolutely standing still; meanwhile, in Italy, Buffy is with her Spangel metaphor boyfriend, the perfect placeholder until the real guy (whichever one that might be ::coughSpikecough::) shows up.
The Buffy who’s dating The Immortal is not moving on in the slightest.
Aaaaanyway, lets go back to our boys and what they think. Because people (for some bizarre reason) take everything they say terribly seriously. This f.ex.
SPIKE: Right. Hold down the fort. I'll be right back.
ANGEL: Huh? Oh, yeah, here it comes. The part where you run off alone and play the big hero so Buffy'll take you back. Well, newsflash, blondie bear: Never gonna happen.
SPIKE: Look! I know I don't have a shot with her, all right? Probably never did, but I still care about her, and I'm not gonna let her end up with a jerk like The Immortal. Or you.
Apparently Spike has given up all hope for ever and ever. Not so much Love’s Bitch as Love’s Selfless Knight. Yeah, right. Funny how Angel doesn’t believe it for a nanosecond. A lot of people claim a lot of things in this episode (“I signalled her with my eyes!”) and honestly I’m deeply sceptical of every single one of them. And also? Angel calling Spike ‘Blondie Bear’ never gets old.
But, the whole ‘all Spike and Buffy had was sex’ is utterly stupid. Spike obviously doesn’t want to tell Angel exactly *what* went on between him and Buffy (“You don’t know what we had!”) and when Angel spoke with Buffy she never mentioned sex at all. Instead she said “He is in my heart.” Spike has a far better shot with Buffy, Angel knows it and he’s jealous.
Now what I like so very much about this episode is how the two of them start out as rivals (as usual), both planning on ‘saving her’ themselves:
ANGEL: Just admit it: You think you're gonna ride in, save the day, and sweep Buffy off of her—
SPIKE: Like you're not thinking the same thing.
And in the end really do become partners (‘our Buffy' - I love that ‘our’) united in frustration and self-pity.
But I’ll get back to the ending in a while - first I want to talk about themes...
As I said before, this episode works far better if Buffy isn’t there. Because in that case we have a parallel between the Burkles and Spike&Angel - both turn up unannounced to see a girl, and both get lied to.
But then the paths diverge wildly.
Spike and Angel get hoodwinked by Andrew, and we see in each encounter how Andrew pushes a little further - going from a scruffy house guest just relaying information, to a suave sophisticated gentleman, setting himself up as Agony Aunt to Souled Vampires. Has The Storyteller ever had a more captive and gullible audience? Anyway, they leave thinking that their girl has moved on to someone new, rather than just sitting around waiting for them.
SPIKE: It's over. Just like that. Not that I thought I had a chance anyway.
ANGEL: At least I have a girlfriend.
SPIKE (shrugs): Still.
ANGEL (defeated): Yeah.
The thing of course being that The Immortal didn't 'take' Buffy - they let her go. The fault lies with them! Are they scared of calling Buffy, of trying to have a real relationship? Or is that they know that there are more important things they should be doing? That their personal happiness really comes way down the list? Bit of both maybe. Anyway - they indulge in the fantasy for a while, pretend that a happy ending is as simple as just finding a girl.
And I need to mention that I love the flashbacks to distraction. I know some people find them too silly, but I’m with Julie Benz:
Benz: Going back and doing the episode "The Girl in Question" was just a great way, I think, for all of us to kind of say goodbye to our characters, to be together and to have some fun. And to not have it be this painful, one of us sobbing on the floor, kind of moment. Because it was always one of us having to do that! Whether it was me, or Juliet or Spike or Angel, it was always one of us who had to…
IGN TV: Have the angst?
Benz: Yeah! It was really kind of fun and refreshing to go in and just be playful and we had a great time shooting it. My sheet that I was wrapped in kept getting stuck on the camera dolly, and it was kind of funny. It would kind of fall down. It was a great way to end; flashing everybody! We had a lot of fun, and I'm so happy they had us back to do that scene, because anything else I think would have been too hard; too difficult; too painful.
Also I love that William and Angelus really did become the best of friends.*happy sigh*
But back to the sneakiness...
Trish and Roger Burkle get fooled by Illyria-as-Fred, but that is not where the heart of the story lies. Again it is about love lost - but this time far, far more tragically. The immortal who has taken Wesley’s love violated Fred, but it was not for sport. It was to posses her forever.
And when Illyria later wants to explore Fred’s form and Wesley’s feelings, she is met with anger:
WESLEY: Stop it! Change back. Be blue. Be anything. Don't be her. Don't ever be her.
It reminded me of another shape changing God:
DAWN: Change.
BEN: What?
DAWN: Change. Be her. I don't wanna look at you.
BEN: (shakes head) Dawn, I don't think you wanna-
DAWN: Be Glory. Be Glory. (yelling) Glory! Glory! Glory!
BEN: Will you just stop- (morphs into Glory)
GLORY: -shouting already?
One of the biggest themes this season (and on AtS generally) are the monsters within and without, the pretty facade hiding something ugly. We saw it with Jasmine in S4, and of course the whole mind wipe also brings it into focus. “Lie to me,” Buffy once said, but she knew she could never believe Giles’ comforting words. Some people prefer a lie - f.ex. Andrew, up till ‘Storyteller’, Willow when she ‘fixed’ Tara in ‘All The Way’ - and Spike with the Bot:
BUFFYBOT: Should I start this program over?
SPIKE: Shh! No programs. Don't use that word. Just be Buffy.
‘Intervention’
But of course once the real Buffy is gone, everything is different:
BUFFYBOT: Sorry I questioned you, Spike. You know I admire your brain almost as much as your washboard abs.
Spike looks pained.
SPIKE: (quietly to Willow) I told you to make her stop doing that.
WILLOW: I did. I mean, I thought I got all that stuff out of the program.
[...]
BUFFYBOT: (pensive) I think Spike stopped liking me.
WILLOW: That's not true, he-he thinks you're swell.
BUFFYBOT: Then how come he never looks at me any more? Even when he's talking to me.
Yet again we have Wes/Spike parallels:
ILLYRIA as FRED (in Illyria's voice): Isn't it what you desire?
(in Fred's voice) I mean... you love me, I love you. What's the big deal?
WESLEY: I loved her.
ILLYRIA as FRED (in Illyria's voice): You loved this. And part of you still does. I can feel it in you. I... wish to explore it further.
WESLEY (stands, faces her): Never. You... like this. It sickens me.
To quote Gunn in ‘Time Bomb’, talking about the holding dimension:
GUNN: Do you know what the worst part of that place was? Wasn't the basement. At least there, you knew where you stood. Demon was gonna cut your heart out and show it to you. Nah. It was the fake life they gave you upstairs. The wife, kids, all the icing on the family cake. But somewhere underneath it, there was the nagging certainty that it was all lies, that all the smiles and the birthday candles and the homework were just there to hide the horror.
Wesley has lost Fred - and pretending otherwise is even worse. To try to tie this in with the main story, then Spike and Angel think they’ve lost Buffy, even as they know this isn’t really true. But - if they actually found her, actually talked to her and maybe tried to have some sort of relationship, then it still might not work out. It could end again, and this time for good. As long as they’ve not caught her, they can’t lose her for real. And I think that’s their real fear - to end up like Wesley.
To quoteyhlee, because I love how she puts it:
"I can't believe I forgot how Denisof as Wesley can stand there and exude pain. It's like a superpower."
OK, so that exchange is about The Immortal, but since he is a metaphor 'Spike&Angelx1000', I figured it’d work nicely as a header for talking about the slashiness of our favourite boys.
Now I never thought they were sleeping together in S5, and on re-watch I have so say that in the first 19 episodes there’s nothing to suggest it. Except for the very humorous ‘break-up’ scene in AHITW, of course:
ANGEL: Look, I can't do this anymore.
SPIKE: Admitting defeat, are you?
ANGEL: You and me. This isn't working out.
SPIKE: Are you saying we should start annoying other people?
But really, that neither here nor there, and there’s nothing else to suggest anything.
But TGiQ... hmmm. Now that’s a different story. I’m not saying that there’s any kind of proof that they’re sleeping together, but - there is indication that they might be, if that’s what you want to think. There were two moments that truck me:
ANGEL: We'll stick with "do."
(goes over to Spike, knocks his feet off the chair's arms)
OK, come on.
(takes Spike's video game away)
The other moment is when Spike grabs Angel’s arm to check what time it is.
Both of these remind me of this scene from ‘Potential’:
BUFFY: Are you OK? (lets go of his throat)
SPIKE: I'm... fine. (tries to sit up) Couple of ribs ain't quite set right since— I'm fine.
BUFFY: Lemme see. (lifts up his shirt a little to inspect his ribs)
The situations are vastly different of course, but in both cases there is a unconscious freedom with someone else’s body - an underlying intimacy and familiarity that’s (way) more than just friendship. Spike and Angel of course are family, and behave like scrabbling brothers throughout the ep, so there’s no need to read anything into it. But for those who want to - it’s there and it’s pretty blatant. To quote Willow in ‘Innocence’:
“I knew it! I knew it! Well, not 'knew it' in the sense of having the slightest idea, but I knew there was something I didn't know. You two were fighting way too much. It's not natural!”
Now about the whole ‘did they have sex on the plane or the desk’, then I always thought it was a pretty ridiculous idea, and I still do. But that’s more to do with location than action. Plane? They don't exactly look post-coital when they get back to W&H. Desk? With Harmony likely to burst through the doors at any moment? Even they are not *that* stupid.
But - if they did have sex, this would be the time. Think 'Entropy':
Spike moves as if to kiss Anya.
ANYA: Wait. Wait. What are we doing?
SPIKE: Moving on.
They kiss passionately.
Because when I watched TGiQ this time, and the screen went black at the end with that very silly little ting-ting-ting-*ting*, I knew exactly what happens next:
********
One of them turns to the other and casually says,
“So... wanna have sex?”
And after the tiniest of beats the other replies,
“Yeah, OK.”
And then Angel grabs the phone and tells Harmony not to disturb him unless it’s the actual apocalypse and to make sure Gunn takes care of the head - at which point Spike (who’s already in the lift) says that if Angel’s going to take all day he’ll just go out and get pissed instead. And then Angel swears and jumps through the doors just as they close and their first kiss is a lot angrier than Angel had originally planned...
Then follows lots of fun and frolics in the penthouse, and the next morning they both pretend like it wasn’t a big deal or anything and are all gruff and manly and never mention it again.
Heh. *g*
I’ve been thinking and thinking these last few days, trying to find some sort of purpose to this episode. A reason for the silliness - layers, growth, a moral... anything. And I can’t. But - I think I’ve worked out the why:
VAIL: Did you kill all of my guards?
ANGEL: All the ones I could find.
VAIL: Mmm. I should have given them the day off.
‘Origin’
TGiQ is the writers giving Spike and Angel the day off. Lets them forget about saving the world, and self sacrifice, and all the daily pain and compromise. Their foils are Andrew the ubergeek, Ilona the buxom who mothers them even as she flirts and The Immortal whose only crime is to be better at everything than Spike and Angel. They can fight and argue over a girl neither thinks they’ll ever get, and fool around in a place where nobody knows them.
Because soon enough they’ll be standing in an alley, all their friends dead or dying, and with only death or an eternity of fighting to look forward to.
So I am grateful that they once rode round on the streets of Rome on a little moped. It lessens the pain a little.
ETA: I have no sporking clue as to why there are 4 cuts! I am now offically through with Rich Text! *kicks it a lot*
yhlee . Really, really excellent!That lets me focus on the relationships. :)
The most obvious problem with this episode is that it stands out like a sore thumb amongst the other late-S5 eps. There’s a gradual build-up of darkness throughout S5 and then third last from the end we get something that is just silly and ridiculous and farcical. Pure comedy. And not just that, but pure *romantic* comedy. About Spike and Angel. Sure it’s way, way, way over the top - so over the top that sometimes it’s floating in free air and I wonder if the writers were on crack - but I can’t help loving it because it’s the most wonderful
Buffy and ships
Because it is not about Buffy - oh no. Not at all. As a matter of fact the episode works far better if we go with Joss’ ret-con and the two of them really are just chasing a mirage. And I’m not sure that it wasn’t actually Joss’ thought from the start, he just never told anyone. Here are
molly_may (full post here): The episode ends with Angel and Spike speaking of moving on while resolutely standing still; meanwhile, in Italy, Buffy is with her Spangel metaphor boyfriend, the perfect placeholder until the real guy (whichever one that might be ::coughSpikecough::) shows up.
The Buffy who’s dating The Immortal is not moving on in the slightest.
Aaaaanyway, lets go back to our boys and what they think. Because people (for some bizarre reason) take everything they say terribly seriously. This f.ex.
SPIKE: Right. Hold down the fort. I'll be right back.
ANGEL: Huh? Oh, yeah, here it comes. The part where you run off alone and play the big hero so Buffy'll take you back. Well, newsflash, blondie bear: Never gonna happen.
SPIKE: Look! I know I don't have a shot with her, all right? Probably never did, but I still care about her, and I'm not gonna let her end up with a jerk like The Immortal. Or you.
Apparently Spike has given up all hope for ever and ever. Not so much Love’s Bitch as Love’s Selfless Knight. Yeah, right. Funny how Angel doesn’t believe it for a nanosecond. A lot of people claim a lot of things in this episode (“I signalled her with my eyes!”) and honestly I’m deeply sceptical of every single one of them. And also? Angel calling Spike ‘Blondie Bear’ never gets old.
But, the whole ‘all Spike and Buffy had was sex’ is utterly stupid. Spike obviously doesn’t want to tell Angel exactly *what* went on between him and Buffy (“You don’t know what we had!”) and when Angel spoke with Buffy she never mentioned sex at all. Instead she said “He is in my heart.” Spike has a far better shot with Buffy, Angel knows it and he’s jealous.
Now what I like so very much about this episode is how the two of them start out as rivals (as usual), both planning on ‘saving her’ themselves:
ANGEL: Just admit it: You think you're gonna ride in, save the day, and sweep Buffy off of her—
SPIKE: Like you're not thinking the same thing.
And in the end really do become partners (‘our Buffy' - I love that ‘our’) united in frustration and self-pity.
But I’ll get back to the ending in a while - first I want to talk about themes...
Sneakiness and not catching the girl.
As I said before, this episode works far better if Buffy isn’t there. Because in that case we have a parallel between the Burkles and Spike&Angel - both turn up unannounced to see a girl, and both get lied to.
But then the paths diverge wildly.
Spike and Angel get hoodwinked by Andrew, and we see in each encounter how Andrew pushes a little further - going from a scruffy house guest just relaying information, to a suave sophisticated gentleman, setting himself up as Agony Aunt to Souled Vampires. Has The Storyteller ever had a more captive and gullible audience? Anyway, they leave thinking that their girl has moved on to someone new, rather than just sitting around waiting for them.
SPIKE: It's over. Just like that. Not that I thought I had a chance anyway.
ANGEL: At least I have a girlfriend.
SPIKE (shrugs): Still.
ANGEL (defeated): Yeah.
The thing of course being that The Immortal didn't 'take' Buffy - they let her go. The fault lies with them! Are they scared of calling Buffy, of trying to have a real relationship? Or is that they know that there are more important things they should be doing? That their personal happiness really comes way down the list? Bit of both maybe. Anyway - they indulge in the fantasy for a while, pretend that a happy ending is as simple as just finding a girl.
And I need to mention that I love the flashbacks to distraction. I know some people find them too silly, but I’m with Julie Benz:
Benz: Going back and doing the episode "The Girl in Question" was just a great way, I think, for all of us to kind of say goodbye to our characters, to be together and to have some fun. And to not have it be this painful, one of us sobbing on the floor, kind of moment. Because it was always one of us having to do that! Whether it was me, or Juliet or Spike or Angel, it was always one of us who had to…
IGN TV: Have the angst?
Benz: Yeah! It was really kind of fun and refreshing to go in and just be playful and we had a great time shooting it. My sheet that I was wrapped in kept getting stuck on the camera dolly, and it was kind of funny. It would kind of fall down. It was a great way to end; flashing everybody! We had a lot of fun, and I'm so happy they had us back to do that scene, because anything else I think would have been too hard; too difficult; too painful.
Also I love that William and Angelus really did become the best of friends.*happy sigh*
But back to the sneakiness...
Trish and Roger Burkle get fooled by Illyria-as-Fred, but that is not where the heart of the story lies. Again it is about love lost - but this time far, far more tragically. The immortal who has taken Wesley’s love violated Fred, but it was not for sport. It was to posses her forever.
And when Illyria later wants to explore Fred’s form and Wesley’s feelings, she is met with anger:
WESLEY: Stop it! Change back. Be blue. Be anything. Don't be her. Don't ever be her.
It reminded me of another shape changing God:
DAWN: Change.
BEN: What?
DAWN: Change. Be her. I don't wanna look at you.
BEN: (shakes head) Dawn, I don't think you wanna-
DAWN: Be Glory. Be Glory. (yelling) Glory! Glory! Glory!
BEN: Will you just stop- (morphs into Glory)
GLORY: -shouting already?
One of the biggest themes this season (and on AtS generally) are the monsters within and without, the pretty facade hiding something ugly. We saw it with Jasmine in S4, and of course the whole mind wipe also brings it into focus. “Lie to me,” Buffy once said, but she knew she could never believe Giles’ comforting words. Some people prefer a lie - f.ex. Andrew, up till ‘Storyteller’, Willow when she ‘fixed’ Tara in ‘All The Way’ - and Spike with the Bot:
BUFFYBOT: Should I start this program over?
SPIKE: Shh! No programs. Don't use that word. Just be Buffy.
‘Intervention’
But of course once the real Buffy is gone, everything is different:
BUFFYBOT: Sorry I questioned you, Spike. You know I admire your brain almost as much as your washboard abs.
Spike looks pained.
SPIKE: (quietly to Willow) I told you to make her stop doing that.
WILLOW: I did. I mean, I thought I got all that stuff out of the program.
[...]
BUFFYBOT: (pensive) I think Spike stopped liking me.
WILLOW: That's not true, he-he thinks you're swell.
BUFFYBOT: Then how come he never looks at me any more? Even when he's talking to me.
Yet again we have Wes/Spike parallels:
ILLYRIA as FRED (in Illyria's voice): Isn't it what you desire?
(in Fred's voice) I mean... you love me, I love you. What's the big deal?
WESLEY: I loved her.
ILLYRIA as FRED (in Illyria's voice): You loved this. And part of you still does. I can feel it in you. I... wish to explore it further.
WESLEY (stands, faces her): Never. You... like this. It sickens me.
To quote Gunn in ‘Time Bomb’, talking about the holding dimension:
GUNN: Do you know what the worst part of that place was? Wasn't the basement. At least there, you knew where you stood. Demon was gonna cut your heart out and show it to you. Nah. It was the fake life they gave you upstairs. The wife, kids, all the icing on the family cake. But somewhere underneath it, there was the nagging certainty that it was all lies, that all the smiles and the birthday candles and the homework were just there to hide the horror.
Wesley has lost Fred - and pretending otherwise is even worse. To try to tie this in with the main story, then Spike and Angel think they’ve lost Buffy, even as they know this isn’t really true. But - if they actually found her, actually talked to her and maybe tried to have some sort of relationship, then it still might not work out. It could end again, and this time for good. As long as they’ve not caught her, they can’t lose her for real. And I think that’s their real fear - to end up like Wesley.
To quote
yhlee, because I love how she puts it:"I can't believe I forgot how Denisof as Wesley can stand there and exude pain. It's like a superpower."
“What, are you in love with him?”
“No, no, no, no. Well, OK, yes.”
“No, no, no, no. Well, OK, yes.”
OK, so that exchange is about The Immortal, but since he is a metaphor 'Spike&Angelx1000', I figured it’d work nicely as a header for talking about the slashiness of our favourite boys.
Now I never thought they were sleeping together in S5, and on re-watch I have so say that in the first 19 episodes there’s nothing to suggest it. Except for the very humorous ‘break-up’ scene in AHITW, of course:
ANGEL: Look, I can't do this anymore.
SPIKE: Admitting defeat, are you?
ANGEL: You and me. This isn't working out.
SPIKE: Are you saying we should start annoying other people?
But really, that neither here nor there, and there’s nothing else to suggest anything.
But TGiQ... hmmm. Now that’s a different story. I’m not saying that there’s any kind of proof that they’re sleeping together, but - there is indication that they might be, if that’s what you want to think. There were two moments that truck me:
ANGEL: We'll stick with "do."
(goes over to Spike, knocks his feet off the chair's arms)
OK, come on.
(takes Spike's video game away)
The other moment is when Spike grabs Angel’s arm to check what time it is.
Both of these remind me of this scene from ‘Potential’:
BUFFY: Are you OK? (lets go of his throat)
SPIKE: I'm... fine. (tries to sit up) Couple of ribs ain't quite set right since— I'm fine.
BUFFY: Lemme see. (lifts up his shirt a little to inspect his ribs)
The situations are vastly different of course, but in both cases there is a unconscious freedom with someone else’s body - an underlying intimacy and familiarity that’s (way) more than just friendship. Spike and Angel of course are family, and behave like scrabbling brothers throughout the ep, so there’s no need to read anything into it. But for those who want to - it’s there and it’s pretty blatant. To quote Willow in ‘Innocence’:
“I knew it! I knew it! Well, not 'knew it' in the sense of having the slightest idea, but I knew there was something I didn't know. You two were fighting way too much. It's not natural!”
Now about the whole ‘did they have sex on the plane or the desk’, then I always thought it was a pretty ridiculous idea, and I still do. But that’s more to do with location than action. Plane? They don't exactly look post-coital when they get back to W&H. Desk? With Harmony likely to burst through the doors at any moment? Even they are not *that* stupid.
But - if they did have sex, this would be the time. Think 'Entropy':
Spike moves as if to kiss Anya.
ANYA: Wait. Wait. What are we doing?
SPIKE: Moving on.
They kiss passionately.
Because when I watched TGiQ this time, and the screen went black at the end with that very silly little ting-ting-ting-*ting*, I knew exactly what happens next:
********
One of them turns to the other and casually says,
“So... wanna have sex?”
And after the tiniest of beats the other replies,
“Yeah, OK.”
And then Angel grabs the phone and tells Harmony not to disturb him unless it’s the actual apocalypse and to make sure Gunn takes care of the head - at which point Spike (who’s already in the lift) says that if Angel’s going to take all day he’ll just go out and get pissed instead. And then Angel swears and jumps through the doors just as they close and their first kiss is a lot angrier than Angel had originally planned...
Then follows lots of fun and frolics in the penthouse, and the next morning they both pretend like it wasn’t a big deal or anything and are all gruff and manly and never mention it again.
Heh. *g*
In Conclusion.
I’ve been thinking and thinking these last few days, trying to find some sort of purpose to this episode. A reason for the silliness - layers, growth, a moral... anything. And I can’t. But - I think I’ve worked out the why:
VAIL: Did you kill all of my guards?
ANGEL: All the ones I could find.
VAIL: Mmm. I should have given them the day off.
‘Origin’
TGiQ is the writers giving Spike and Angel the day off. Lets them forget about saving the world, and self sacrifice, and all the daily pain and compromise. Their foils are Andrew the ubergeek, Ilona the buxom who mothers them even as she flirts and The Immortal whose only crime is to be better at everything than Spike and Angel. They can fight and argue over a girl neither thinks they’ll ever get, and fool around in a place where nobody knows them.
Because soon enough they’ll be standing in an alley, all their friends dead or dying, and with only death or an eternity of fighting to look forward to.
So I am grateful that they once rode round on the streets of Rome on a little moped. It lessens the pain a little.
ETA: I have no sporking clue as to why there are 4 cuts! I am now offically through with Rich Text! *kicks it a lot*
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I adore TGIQ. I always regarded the episode as shipper licence for fanficcers.
Frankly, I was surprised when Joss said that initially he started writing Buffy with The Immortal, because the episode convinced me that Buffy is *NOT* dating him. I mean - there is another "fake girl" in the episode, there are another two people who love her and come to visit her, there is another man who knows that she's fake. The parallels between "Buffy" and "Fred", Angel/Spike and Burkles, Andrew and Wesley are so obvious!
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Hardly any point in writing it otherwise! *g*
I adore TGIQ. I always regarded the episode as shipper licence for fanficcers.
Exactly! :)
The parallels between "Buffy" and "Fred", Angel/Spike and Burkles, Andrew and Wesley are so obvious!
I'm sad to say that that never occurred to me until I heard of the ret-con, but it's obvious in hindsight. All we have is Andrew's word...