Moar Star War (spoilers obvs)

[elisi]

Twitter thread

(It's late and I have not replied to previous comments and it's Christmas TOMORROW and I still have presents to wrap, but oh, this verse, these characters! <3)

Comments

[sea_thoughts]

My only quibble is that Luke didn't exactly abduct Ben. He talked with Leia (and Han) about Ben's growing power and Leia gave her blessing. I agree that 10 is young but it's not like Ben was a baby. And I think it was said in TFA (or maybe one of the tie-in novels) that one of the reasons Leia sent Ben away was because she sensed Snoke was trying to get at him and she thought he would be safer with Luke. She was wrong about that but she couldn't have known that at the time.

I do agree that the movie was explicit about the obsession with bloodlines and lineage being a bad thing and it's a good thing that the saga is trying to move away from the Skywalkers.

[kazzy-cee.livejournal.com]

We are seeing it on Tuesday - can’t wait!!!!!!!!

[sueworld2003.livejournal.com]

Sadly I hated what they did with Luke. Another case of trying to tear down the past to make the new look. The past that actually made this franchise last the course and which they seem to be in such a rush to screw over. :(

[elisi]

Sorry you didn't like it. I get your point, but it doesn't strike me in the same light. Hope the next one might redeem it for you. <3

[elisi]

Hope you enjoyed it!!

[elisi]

My other half went to Westminster to be a chorister when he was 9... It's very young, and it leaves a big impact. Obviously not stolen as a baby and trained to be a killer, but the weight of history and family obviously weighed on them all. But also privilege? Born with a silver spoon in his mouth...

(Sorry, thinking out loud. Will get back to you.)

[sea_thoughts]

Of course, I don't wish to dismiss Ben's homesickness or how much he must have missed his parents, just that it's hardly the same as Finn being torn from his family and then being robbed of his very name and any link to what he was before.

Rey wants to belong to a family, she thinks she needs to be 'somebody' to wield the Force, whereas Kylo would like nothing more to be a 'nobody', hence him constantly using that against her because he secretly envies how free she is of any legacy.

[elisi]

Yes, it's the push-pull freedom/dead weight of belonging/legacy.

Finn's whole identity was stolen, and he will probably never know who he once was. He is free to choose who to be, but he is also all on his own to begin with, making a choice all of his own.

Rey was abandoned (as far as we know), and she knows the hopelessness of having no future. (The scene where she cleans the day's loot and looks up to see the old woman across from her, her future made flesh, is one of my favourite scenes in the whole story.)

Ben Solo was always special, the son of heroes, the grandson of the most evil man in the universe, gifted and talented and probably painfully suggestible. One of the reasons I love the Emo Kylo Ren Twitter feed so much, is that - although very silly - it's not inaccurate in the look into his mind. The father who is silly and jovial, where Ben would be serious and sensitive, the mother who is busy laying the foundations of a rebellion, loving, but probably busy and unsure how to deal with her son who reminder her too much of her father... It doesn't excuse him, but it provides a poignant backdrop. Dammit I wish the prequels were better than they are.

[sueworld2003.livejournal.com]

Oh I don't think I'll be sticking around for that now. :)

[elisi]

Fair nuff. Just do like most do with the prequels/other tie-in material and ignore what you don't like. ;)

[sea_thoughts]

The Emo Kylo Ren Twitter account is so funny precisely because it contains those kernels of truth amongst the melodramatics.

Given how much Leia hated her biological father, whom she only knew as a figure of repression and evil, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben's resemblance to him troubled disturbed her.

[elisi]

The Emo Kylo Ren Twitter account is so funny precisely because it contains those kernels of truth amongst the melodramatics.
It is acutely observed. Like how he puts up this amazing poster and then his father uses it for throwing darts at...

Given how much Leia hated her biological father, whom she only knew as a figure of repression and evil, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben's resemblance to him troubled disturbed her.
Very much so. :(